OT: Yet another statistics / basketball article

[andalusian]

http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_13541239

Notice the emphasis on ORTG and DRTG - and the implication that turnovers are a lot worse than assists...

 

[jlprk]

Oliver was with the Sonics till they moved. Warkentien was with the Blazers till they pushed him out after the Whitsitt exodus (when Sabonis left too). I guess I should read Oliver's 2 books, but this article is sure short on details. The only thing it gives away is

In basketball, Oliver has "the four factors" he regards as the holy grail — turnovers per possession, offensive rebounding percentage, free throws made per field goals attempted and effective field-goal percentage (which gives 50 percent more credit to 3-point shots than normal field-goal percentage). "If you can control those four things — offensively and defensively — you win," he said.

 

[barfo]

turnovers are a lot worse than assists...

Isn't that pretty much obvious?

barfo

 

[jlprk]

In efficiency points, assists (positive) and turnovers (negative) count the same in the NBA.com (and HoopStats) definition of efficiency, but they have different values from each other in the ESPN definition.

 

[andalusian]

Isn't that pretty much obvious?

barfo

Sure, but some people do not understand why a bad tov% is so bad.

barfo. <-- (not the real barfo)

 

[mook]

Isn't that pretty much obvious?

barfo

Also, fouls are worse than points, lottery teams are worse than championship teams, and a sharp stick in the eye is worse than most blow jobs.

 

[Minstrel]

Maybe andalusian meant turnovers are more negative than assists are positive.

Turnovers being worse than assists, well...yeah.

 

[andalusian]

Maybe andalusian meant turnovers are more negative than assists are positive.

Turnovers being worse than assists, well...yeah.

Well, that was pretty much the argument in the article - for those that bothered reading it

 

[Minstrel]

Well, that was pretty much the argument in the article - for those that bothered reading it

You mean there was an article that could have assisted us in interpreting your mysterious words? Now you tell us.

 

[andalusian]

You mean there was an article that could have assisted us in interpreting your mysterious words? Now you tell us.

That's only for people who have a private TV feed and are a cheap Chinese imitation.