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McMillan's offense is taken from Detroit and San Antonio. Strictly half-court with no flow at all. Keep in mind he's running this offense, heavy on X's and O's, with the youngest team in the NBA.

In his last year in Seattle he ran an uptemo offense and that team scored over 100 ppg and was second in the League in offense. The offense he runs now wont win you a lot of games.
 
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i was about to say the same thing. with our current line-up it is death to watch.
 
Fez said:
McMillan's offense is taken from Detroit and San Antonio.

The offense he runs now wont win you a lot of games.
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WHAT?????

Must be tough being 50+ win teams year after year and winning 4 of the last 5 NBA titles.
 
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Keep in mind he's running this offense, heavy on X's and O's, with the youngest team in the NBA.

Our offense isn't as good as San Antonio or Detroit, but it's just as slow paced. So far this season we had to make a comeback in the fourth. We luckily came out with 3 wins in those games but that wont happen every time this season. We start out REALLY slow and have an uphill battle in the second half. The offense is slow, predictable, and flat out boring.

Bottom line: Our offense is offensive.
 
Usually fast breaks are created off of defensive rebounds passed out, turnovers, and tip-outs. We do none of those things very well. Nor is Blake very good at finding cutters with his passes. I only mind the offense when we continue to settle for jumpers, instead of attacking the basket and getting to the free throw line.

The best teams show the ability to run both uptempo and half court.
 
Da_O said:
Usually fast breaks are created off of defensive rebounds passed out, turnovers, and tip-outs. We do none of those things very well. Nor is Blake very good at finding cutters with his passes. I only mind the offense when we continue to settle for jumpers, instead of attacking the basket and getting to the free throw line.

The best teams show the ability to run both uptempo and half court.
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Yup. The hope is that Oden is a dominant defensive presence and rebounder... that would help all of the aspects of starting fast breaks that you mentioned. Keeping the other team's offense out of the paint and settling for jumpers and there will be more long rebounds too. And if the guys know Greg's got the boards, they can leak out a bit earlier too... no more rebounding by committee.

McMillan can only work with what he's got and they've had a very different group of guys then he had the one year in Seattle. As you mentioned, Blake is not a fast break PG... heck Brandon really isn't a fast break type SG either. Neither Travis or Martell have that great a handle at the 3. But Rudy and Greg on the other hand, those guys seem much more the type to push the pace. We'll see...

STOMP
 
Sergio | Rudy | Batum | Aldridge | Oden would be a SICKKKKKKKK fast break lineup... no? And that lineup isn't all that uncommon.
 
MrJayremmie said:
Sergio | Rudy | Batum | Aldridge | Oden would be a SICKKKKKKKK fast break lineup... no? And that lineup isn't all that uncommon.
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Batum has been pretty solid for a rookie on the fastbreak. Sergio is pretty mediocre on the break this season.

I'm holding out hope that Bayless can be the PG that can get this team some more fastbreak points in the near future. He's got the mindset to attack the rim that Blake and Sergio lack.
 
I never understood why the 2nd unit wasn't allowed to be "up-tempo"??? We have more than enough horses...open the gates Nate!!!
 
We need to find some time for Bayless. I know many like Sergio on this board, I can't stand his game. He can't run a structured team offense, can't play defense, can't shoot. He knows it and wants out. With Bayless we would get better on ball defense, and run more.
 
HAAK72 said:
I never understood why the 2nd unit wasn't allowed to be "up-tempo"??? We have more than enough horses...open the gates Nate!!!
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I'm not sure some of the second-unit players know how to be uptempo very well. (Outlaw and Frye come to mind) I know Sergio and Rudy know how, and it looks like Batum does, but he's not on the second unit right now.

As legendary of a teacher Nate is, I'm not sure he's really teaching up-tempo play. I'm curious if any reporters have seen signs of it in practice. The team looks confused when they go up-tempo. Could be the players, or could be the teaching. Hard to say.
 
HAAK72 said:
I never understood why the 2nd unit wasn't allowed to be "up-tempo"??? We have more than enough horses...open the gates Nate!!!
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McMillan does NOT let his teams run. He's got a long history of slowing the pace of games as a head coach, and I don't think that we're going to see him change any time soon.

Ed O.
 
HAAK72 said:
I never understood why the 2nd unit wasn't allowed to be "up-tempo"??? We have more than enough horses...open the gates Nate!!!
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A few years ago when Nate came here, my friend was selling him some shoes at Finish Line. My friend said "So you trying to get them to run more?" Nate replid with "No no man I'm trying to get them to slow it down."

You heard it there from the source.. from years ago, from my friend. Boom
 
We need to learn to walk before we can run.
 
McMillan does NOT let his teams run. He's got a long history of slowing the pace of games as a head coach, and I don't think that we're going to see him change any time soon.

Ed O.
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Hey idk this so i'm asking. Do you know if his Seattle team (the one that made it to the 2nd round) ran a lot? The one w/ Allen and Lewis?
 
MrJayremmie said:
Hey idk this so i'm asking. Do you know if his Seattle team (the one that made it to the 2nd round) ran a lot? The one w/ Allen and Lewis?
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Urban legend is that they were an uptempo team (I believed it for years)

But when you look at tempo statistics, it shows they were not. Nate has been pretty consistent in slowing players down.

(If I misread the stats, feel free to correct me!)
 
Very interesting.

I think our team needs to be able to play up tempo. we don't have to be an uptempo team, but if we are a solid defensive team, and a team that can play 1/2 court AND up-tempo, i think we would really accel in the regular season and playoffs.
 
STOMP said:
Yup. The hope is that Oden is a dominant defensive presence and rebounder... that would help all of the aspects of starting fast breaks that you mentioned. Keeping the other team's offense out of the paint and settling for jumpers and there will be more long rebounds too. And if the guys know Greg's got the boards, they can leak out a bit earlier too... no more rebounding by committee.

McMillan can only work with what he's got and they've had a very different group of guys then he had the one year in Seattle. As you mentioned, Blake is not a fast break PG... heck Brandon really isn't a fast break type SG either. Neither Travis or Martell have that great a handle at the 3. But Rudy and Greg on the other hand, those guys seem much more the type to push the pace. We'll see...

STOMP
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Batum has looked very good in the open court making some very nice finesse finger roll layups, reminded me of Gervin. While Aldridge is one of the fastest big men in the game. I remember when Oden was at Ohio State he was a gazelle. No reason we should not be able to play both uptempo and a half court game. The problem is, like you said, we don't have a PG that can initiate the fast break often. Maybe Sergio, but he still makes too many turnovers and Nate is quick to pull him because of it. Right now the way Blake is playing I almost would rather have Sergio starting.
 
Sug said:
We need to learn to walk before we can run.
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Yep. Just look at the Knicks.


Oh wait, they just started running, and have beaten the Jazz. They are also 3rd in the league in scoring and have a better record than Portland. Now I know they haven't played our schedule, but still, it's the Knicks.

I call total Bullshit on learing to walk before running. We have the players, but we don't have the coach. Push the tempo and get some easy baskets.
 
MrJayremmie said:
Hey idk this so i'm asking. Do you know if his Seattle team (the one that made it to the 2nd round) ran a lot? The one w/ Allen and Lewis?
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The allen and lewis team was an emotion fed team. Went to the playoff twice in five years. They could get up the court, Allen isnt that fast but isnt slow either.

Not sure where you all are coming from regarding McMillan criticism. Because the players can't, won't or aren't able to follow a game plan the coach creates, doesn't make the coach bad. It means at least some of the players are not the right fit for the system.

I watched him rip it up with Payton many times, he knows what a fast break is and how to run it. Here is an example:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9506E7D91739F930A25755C0A960958260
 
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