Passed Tax Measure Having Desired Effects

[BLAZER PROPHET]

BTW-the kicker rebate is next to be taken away.

Let's see how posters feel when their own pocket is about to be picked to go to a rainy day fund . . . which really means go to support PERS and public employees salaries.

I'm sad to see that one go. I've used it as a means for a nice weekend at the coast. Oh well, tax & spend, tax & spend, tax & spend, tax & spend..............................................

 

[MARIS61]

Where is the debate on the perfect tax rate? It does seem that on one side it's always CUT CUT CUT taxes and in the other side it's always (as maxiep said) "just a little more."

It's always OREGONIANS AGAINST JOB KILLING TAXES vs "Won't somebody think of the poor children!"

Never mind what they say, it's what they do that counts.

Republicans always raise taxes on the poor and lower taxes on the rich.

Democrats always raise taxes on the rich and lower taxes on the poor.

Never in my lifetime has either party strayed from that attack.

I'm neither poor nor uber-wealthy, so I have never seen my taxes lowered.

I am intelligent enough to see who can afford to pay more, and who cannot.

Until the Bush/Cheney/Haliburton damage has been paid for, people who made money from it will have to pay some back. Seems more than fair.

Let's get real for a sec, everyone netting a million a year or more could easily, and should morally, DONATE an additional $100,000 a year to help our country recover from the ridiculous profit-taking that put them in such a precious position. Billionaires could obviously afford an extra 10 million a year to say thanks to the millions of regular people who made them so filthy rich.

The trouble with a Capitalistic society is that Capitalists have no patriotism, not even a hint of it.

They are all about taking and hoarding the money at the expense of their countrymen.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Never mind what they say, it's what they do that counts.

Republicans always raise taxes on the poor and lower taxes on the rich.

Democrats always raise taxes on the rich and lower taxes on the poor.

Never in my lifetime has either party strayed from that attack.

I'm neither poor nor uber-wealthy, so I have never seen my taxes lowered.

I am intelligent enough to see who can afford to pay more, and who cannot.

Until the Bush/Cheney/Haliburton damage has been paid for, people who made money from it will have to pay some back. Seems more than fair.

Let's get real for a sec, everyone netting a million a year or more could easily, and should morally, DONATE an additional $100,000 a year to help our country recover from the ridiculous profit-taking that put them in such a precious position. Billionaires could obviously afford an extra 10 million a year to say thanks to the millions of regular people who made them so filthy rich.

The trouble with a Capitalistic society is that Capitalists have no patriotism, not even a hint of it.

They are all about taking and hoarding the money at the expense of their countrymen.

So are you OK with giving up your tax kicker . . . which is what the gov is suggesting. That seems to hit everybody.

 

[MARIS61]

BTW, Oregon still has by far the lowest overall business taxes of any state on the west coast.

I am hoping this actually makes quite a few of these businesses who've been sponging off Oregon pick up and go suck some other state's resources dry and wear out their infrastructure. Without them this state would be the national model of modern schools, parks, and new roads that it was 50 years ago, before the concept of bribing companies to exist became avant garde here.

The ultimate example of this is Beaverton. The ugliest city in the most beautiful state was built nearly entirely by government (your taxes) subsidy of businesses like Nike, who farm out nearly all their manual labor to child slave labor camps overseas, and nearly all their tech help to the mid-east.

Most of the freeloaders move to Nevada when they are asked to pay for their share, as Nevada is a state founded and built on the idea of stealing from the poor to give to the rich. You've got to be seriously greedy to actually want to live in a dump like that. Oregon is better off without parasites like them.

 

[MARIS61]

So are you OK with giving up your tax kicker . . . which is what the gov is suggesting. That seems to hit everybody.

I have personally always donated it back to the state, but I doubt it will be eliminated.

Every governor in the last 20 years has tried and failed to keep it.

The business tax kicker, which is different, has been kept once I believe, and I'd eliminate
that entirely.

Any subsidizing of business is anti-American and absolutely anti-Capitalist, and why we have a huge deficit.

 

[bintim]

Never mind what they say, it's what they do that counts.

Republicans always raise taxes on the poor and lower taxes on the rich.

Democrats always raise taxes on the rich and lower taxes on the poor.

Never in my lifetime has either party strayed from that attack.

I'm neither poor nor uber-wealthy, so I have never seen my taxes lowered.

That's how I see it. Stuck in the middle with you.

 

[bintim]

So are you OK with giving up your tax kicker . . . which is what the gov is suggesting. That seems to hit everybody.

If I had a job, I would give up my kicker..........but now I need it for groceries.

 

[Ed O]

Never mind what they say, it's what they do that counts.

Republicans always raise taxes on the poor and lower taxes on the rich.

Democrats always raise taxes on the rich and lower taxes on the poor.

Poor people don't (directly) pay taxes. I don't think that your statements are all that accurate.

Ed O.

 

[bintim]

Poor people don't (directly) pay taxes. I don't think that your statements are all that accurate.

Ed O.

Well, the Middle Class is now poor, so the statement may be accurate soon.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Poor people don't (directly) pay taxes. I don't think that your statements are all that accurate.

Ed O.

They weren't. He knows it. But as a die hard lefty he is obligated to follow the party lies and lines as he is told to.

 

[Ed O]

Well, the Middle Class is now poor, so the statement may be accurate soon.

Yes, the poor who have computers and cable TV. And live in houses.

But, yeah. Maybe someday the middle class in the US will ACTUALLY be poor, and then the GOP will tax them (in spite of them not having taxable income) while the Democrats will give them tax cuts (in spite of them not having taxable income).

Makes perfect sense how that might happen.

Ed O.

 

[Eastoff]

They weren't. He knows it. But as a die hard lefty he is obligated to follow the party lies and lines as he is told to.

You must have no mirrors in your house, huh?

 

[Paxil]

The kicker is a joke. Absolutley I say keep the kicker and save it for down years.

It's go time... companies laid people off last week... the week before... the week before... what do you blame those layoffs for? Seriously... look at the difference in the taxes and if any company is saying that they are fucking shit. Maybe it makes you made at 'the man' or the majority of people who passed the raises... but really, who should you be mad at?

I have a question for those in the know regarding sole propriatorships in Oregon... in what way the the taxes change on them? I believe some people in Oregon where using them to avoid taxes... I know someone who worked for their father's company for years... then they formed their own company... just a friends wife (1 employee... her)... and her 'company' (just her) contracted work for her dad... they wrote everything off in taxes... their car (even though the husband drove it to work... not the wife), computers etc... etc... it was just a fucking scam. And oh... it is a minority owned business because it was in the wife's name. I imagine after writing all that shit off they could claim her business made no money and thus avoid the taxes she would have had on her personal income.

So the question is... did anything change in what was recently passed regarding sole propriatorships?

 

[Blazer_Hippie]

The kicker is a joke. Absolutley I say keep the kicker and save it for down years.

It's go time... companies laid people off last week... the week before... the week before... what do you blame those layoffs for? Seriously... look at the difference in the taxes and if any company is saying that they are fucking shit. Maybe it makes you made at 'the man' or the majority of people who passed the raises... but really, who should you be mad at?

I have a question for those in the know regarding sole propriatorships in Oregon... in what way the the taxes change on them? I believe some people in Oregon where using them to avoid taxes... I know someone who worked for their father's company for years... then they formed their own company... just a friends wife (1 employee... her)... and her 'company' (just her) contracted work for her dad... they wrote everything off in taxes... their car (even though the husband drove it to work... not the wife), computers etc... etc... it was just a fucking scam. And oh... it is a minority owned business because it was in the wife's name. I imagine after writing all that shit off they could claim her business made no money and thus avoid the taxes she would have had on her personal income.

So the question is... did anything change in what was recently passed regarding sole propriatorships?

I just want to make the comment that there is a difference between what you can get away with and what is legal...some of the stuff you mention makes me think that they will be very unhappy if they undergo an in-depth audit...

 

[Denny Crane]

The kicker is a joke. Absolutley I say keep the kicker and save it for down years.

It's go time... companies laid people off last week... the week before... the week before... what do you blame those layoffs for? Seriously... look at the difference in the taxes and if any company is saying that they are fucking shit. Maybe it makes you made at 'the man' or the majority of people who passed the raises... but really, who should you be mad at?

I have a question for those in the know regarding sole propriatorships in Oregon... in what way the the taxes change on them? I believe some people in Oregon where using them to avoid taxes... I know someone who worked for their father's company for years... then they formed their own company... just a friends wife (1 employee... her)... and her 'company' (just her) contracted work for her dad... they wrote everything off in taxes... their car (even though the husband drove it to work... not the wife), computers etc... etc... it was just a fucking scam. And oh... it is a minority owned business because it was in the wife's name. I imagine after writing all that shit off they could claim her business made no money and thus avoid the taxes she would have had on her personal income.

So the question is... did anything change in what was recently passed regarding sole propriatorships?

Sole proprietorships have unlimited liability. If the company gets sued, the (one and only) owner can lose everything.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

You must have no mirrors in your house, huh?

Why? Beacuse I'm an independent moderate with an ability to think freely unlike the lefties & righties around hee to MUST follow the party line? I won't feel low about that. It's amazing what one sees when they allow themselves to break free from partisanship.

Try it sometime. All you have to lose is narrow mindedness.

 

[tlongII]

We (Oregon) are way too anti-business as we are now. The state in past years was headquarters for The First National Bank, US Bank, Pacific Power, Willamette Industries, Georgia-Pacific, Jantzen, White Stag, G.I. Joe's, Monaco Coach, Meier & Frank, among many others. They are now headquartered elsewhere, are controlled by non-Oregonians or no longer exist. One Fortune Global 500 company remains.

a quote from Phil Knight...

 

[Blazer_Hippie]

a quote from Phil Knight...

Yeah, that's an unbiased source...

Looking at the list...is he blaming Oregon for the buyouts and takeovers of companies that used to be headquartered here? Seems like the moves on there that I know anything about have nothing to do with Oregon at all...