OT Pistons losing streak :(

[Whyachi]

local Detroit news interviewed the Pistons owner. That goober sounds like a scam artist. He called his team "pretty good" at the end of this segment.

 

[Natebishop3]

I wish we had their pick lol

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I feel like someone is going to benefit from their panic when they inevitably trade one of their young guys for a more win now guy. They could use Brogdon.

 

[Natebishop3]

I feel like someone is going to benefit from their panic when they inevitably trade one of their young guys for a more win now guy. They could use Brogdon.

I would love to get Thompson but they won't do that. It's gonna be Ivey.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I would love to get Thompson but they won't do that. It's gonna be Ivey.

I think you're right. Not sure you could put Ausar's shooting with Scoot though. Would love to see it.

I think they'd totally trade Ausar for Ant. Don't think Portland does though.

 

[Whyachi]

Bogdonavic has to go. Maybe they'll get a pick for him? I dunno, he's been terrible. Not even worth looking at his stats.

Detroit's best players are Cade Cunningham, and Alec Burks. Sure Detroit has a bunch of young talent, but it's in general an astonishing collection of failure. It's not good for the kids to be burdoned with all this losing.

 

[Tince]

A perfect example of why going super young and relying on a bunch of lottery picks isn't usually a great strategy.

 

[Samuel]

I feel like someone is going to benefit from their panic when they inevitably trade one of their young guys for a more win now guy. They could use Brogdon.

Weaver would get sacked (and he should have been already).

 

[Natebishop3]

A perfect example of why going super young and relying on a bunch of lottery picks isn't usually a great strategy.

Drafting Ivey was also a bad strategy.

 

[blazerfan11]

Drafting Ivey was also a bad strategy.

But it was good for the Trail Blazers.

 

[Tince]

Drafting Ivey was also a bad strategy.

Yep, that's part of the risk with draft picks for sure. Drafting 6'4" & under players who are sub-optimal shooters is extra risky.

 

[blazerfan11]

Yep, that's part of the risk with draft picks for sure. Drafting 6'4" & under players who are sub-optimal shooters is extra risky.

Ivey shot 36% on threes, 53% on 2-pointers and had a true shooting percentage of 58% in his second season at Purdue.

That is not sub-optimal shooting.

 

[Natebishop3]

Yep, that's part of the risk with draft picks for sure. Drafting 6'4" & under players who are sub-optimal shooters is extra risky.

They already had Cade. That's why it didn't make sense. It's like us drafting CJ. I didn't understand it at the time.

 

[ant]

I think Bill Simmons was proposing that they trade Cade before they need to pay him, and try and balance the roster. One idea was sending him to San Antonio for their 2024 pick + stuff. Make Ivey the lead guard. Bring in some vets for leadership. Hard to rebuild when everyone is so damn young and inexperienced.

 

[beast blazer]

It's the law of nature, the bell curve, someone is going to be at the extreme left of the curve. Most teams are a product of their drafting success.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DET/draft.html

 

[BIG Q]

They already had Cade. That's why it didn't make sense. It's like us drafting CJ. I didn't understand it at the time.

Barring hindsight, a case can be made that Ivey was best player available. Nobody but Portland management thought CJ was the best player available.

 

[BIG Q]

It's the law of nature, the bell curve, someone is going to be at the extreme left of the curve. Most teams are a product of their drafting success.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DET/draft.html

Or drafting failure.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Barring hindsight, a case can be made that Ivey was best player available. Nobody but Portland management thought CJ was the best player available.

Hmm. I wonder what draft-grade articles at the time said...

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1685976-2013-nba-draft-results-live-pick-by-pick-tracker
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...des-pick-by-pick-cleveland-cavaliers/2465505/
https://www.detroitbadboys.com/2013/7/1/4476562/2013-nba-draft-grades
https://www.nbadraft.net/2013-nba-draft-grades/

Lots of positive feedback for the Portland 2013 draft. The analysis in the last link even states, "McCollum was probably the best player available at No. 10."

 

[beast blazer]

Hmm. I wonder what draft-grade articles at the time said...

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1685976-2013-nba-draft-results-live-pick-by-pick-tracker
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...des-pick-by-pick-cleveland-cavaliers/2465505/
https://www.detroitbadboys.com/2013/7/1/4476562/2013-nba-draft-grades
https://www.nbadraft.net/2013-nba-draft-grades/

Lots of positive feedback for the Portland 2013 draft. The analysis in the last link even states, "McCollum was probably the best player available at No. 10."

Ugh, those things are so dumb. But can be entertaining to read in hind sight.

 

[ant]

Ugh, those things are so dumb. But can be entertaining to read in hind sight.

Bwahahaha:

• Milwaukee can be forgiven for taking a flier on a totally unknown commodity, but there's just not enough credible evidence to suggest that Antetokounmpo is going to turn into an NBA player.

Grade: D

 

[Idog1976]

Hmm. I wonder what draft-grade articles at the time said...

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1685976-2013-nba-draft-results-live-pick-by-pick-tracker
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...des-pick-by-pick-cleveland-cavaliers/2465505/
https://www.detroitbadboys.com/2013/7/1/4476562/2013-nba-draft-grades
https://www.nbadraft.net/2013-nba-draft-grades/

Lots of positive feedback for the Portland 2013 draft. The analysis in the last link even states, "McCollum was probably the best player available at No. 10."

I almost got banned on Blazersedge because I went into a meltdown when we drafted CJ instead of my picks of Giannis or Steven Adams.

 

[blazerfan11]

I almost got banned on Blazersedge because I went into a meltdown when we drafted CJ instead of my picks of Giannis or Steven Adams.

I really liked Steven Adams.

I was always hoping the Blazers would get a Scottie-Pippen-type player and that seemed to be what Giannis was at that time.

Either one seemed to make more sense than McCollum to play with Dame, though CJ certainly turned out to be a success as an individual player, better than any player picked before him except perhaps KCP.

 

[beast blazer]

I almost got banned on Blazersedge because I went into a meltdown when we drafted CJ instead of my picks of Giannis or Steven Adams.

He's yet another in a long list of Blazer "what ifs"

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Ugh, those things are so dumb. But can be entertaining to read in hind sight.

Point was, it's silly to say "nobody thought CJ was BPA," when clearly people did.

 

[Tince]

Ivey shot 36% on threes, 53% on 2-pointers and had a true shooting percentage of 58% in his second season at Purdue.

That is not sub-optimal shooting.

He played in college two years, but you want to omit the other year where he shot 25% from 3?

His college shooting percentages were 44/32/74. None of those are elite and one would hope a top 5 pick wouldn't be hovering near the average NCAA shooting percentage, which is why I considered it sub-optimal.

In the NBA his shooting percentages are 42/33/75. When you don't omit 50% of his college sample size and look at his career shooting in both college and pros, they look very similar, don't they?

 

[Tince]

They already had Cade. That's why it didn't make sense. It's like us drafting CJ. I didn't understand it at the time.

Drafting CJ was a great pick though, the best of Olshey's entire tenure, so that kinda goes against the case you're making

 

[Whyachi]

I watched a brief summary of how the Pistons got to this era of futility. They did OK drafting, but had terrible talent assessment, and some really bad luck.

Detroit drafted Khris Middleton in 2nd round, traded him in a package to Milwaukee for Brandon Jennings. Brandon unfortunately tore his achilles while playing for Detroit.

Detroit went all in trading Tobias Harris and other stuff to get Blake Griffin. While it worked marginally mediocre in Blake's first season, Griffin's bad knee flared up and he started missing all the games.

i think Pistons drafted Spencer Dinwiddie in 2nd round, i don't remember how he luckily escaped Detroit.

KCP showed real talent after getting drafted by Detroit... they let his contract expire and he walked. Ultra cheap Pistons owner didn't like him for some odd reason ??

Detroit drafted tough defending guard Bruce Brown in 2nd round... the Pistons gave him the pink slip !! He wasn't good enough to play in Detroit, but now he has a big shiny Nuggets championship ring.

The scouts in Detroit have been finding good young players, but their Front Office keeps trading and cutting their best ballers before they can put a winning team together.

 

[blazerfan11]

I watched a brief summary of how the Pistons got to this era of futility. They did OK drafting, but had terrible talent assessment, and some really bad luck.

Detroit drafted Khris Middleton in 2nd round, traded him in a package to Milwaukee for Brandon Jennings. Brandon unfortunately tore his achilles while playing for Detroit.

Detroit went all in trading Tobias Harris and other stuff to get Blake Griffin. While it worked marginally mediocre in Blake's first season, Griffin's bad knee flared up and he started missing all the games.

i think Pistons drafted Spencer Dinwiddie in 2nd round, i don't remember how he luckily escaped Detroit.

KCP showed real talent after getting drafted by Detroit... they let his contract expire and he walked. Ultra cheap Pistons owner didn't like him for some odd reason ??

Detroit drafted tough defending guard Bruce Brown in 2nd round... the Pistons gave him the pink slip !! He wasn't good enough to play in Detroit, but now he has a big shiny Nuggets championship ring.

The scouts in Detroit have been finding good young players, but their Front Office keeps trading and cutting their best ballers before they can put a winning team together.

In Detroit, Dinwiddie was a 2nd round pick that didn't play much and after his 2nd season was traded to Chicago for Cameron Bairstow.
Chicago waived him, and in December of his 3rd season he signed with the Brooklyn Nets.

 

[Whyachi]

In Detroit, Dinwiddie was a 2nd round pick that didn't play much and after his 2nd season was traded to Chicago for Cameron Bairstow.
Chicago waived him, and in December of his 3rd season he signed with the Brooklyn Nets.

the Bulls might start their own chapter of hopeless. Chicago is a few cap cutting trades away from taking a crack at the Pistons losing streak in the near future.

 

[beast blazer]

Point was, it's silly to say "nobody thought CJ was BPA," when clearly people did.

He was a good pick, considering only about 3 other players in that draft amounted to anything