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What kind of offense does the Nets run and what is expected out of the PF? I'm interested in how Yi will be used (if he's used...). Also what kind of coach is Franks. I know he values defense, but how much. I mean he played Boki freaking Nochbar playoff minutes so there musn't have been that much of a value on defense.

I'm guessing with the addition of Harris there will be lots more pick and roll, but does Franks prefer more half court or up and down? Also can someone expand on their coaches? Who coaches the big guys?

In Houston the rockets first hired Patrick Ewing and now they have Jack Sikma for yao... Milwaukee had yeah (not much)... who is coaching Sean Williams and Krstic?

Also whats the situation with Kristic? I remember he used to be pretty damn good 2-3 years ago.
 
Frank likes bball player with high bball IQs. We played a princeton like offense last year. This
year will probably be more of a uptempo offense with Harris. In half court, lots of pick and rolls, pops.
Yi could make alot of money with VC & Harris. We really didnt have a good bench last year. Thats why
Nachbar played so much. This is year I dont know about the bench with all these young guys. Almost
all of our assistants left us, so I dont know who coaches the big man. Bill Cartwright coached the bigs last year
but he left. We extended the qualifying offer to Krstic. We are going to have so many bigs next year unless
we make a trade.
 
Another question... are Devin Harris's flopping skills contagious? If they are i might just have to go kill Yi before he ever joins the nets.
 
If Yi truly does thrive in the 20 ft range, he will love playing with VC in the pick and roll/pop.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ffz @ Jun 27 2008, 02:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Another question... are Devin Harris's flopping skills contagious? If they are i might just have to go kill Yi before he ever joins the nets.</div>
I dont really know about that. He had that ankle injury when he came here, so he didnt really take charges
like he did in Dallas. I dont think he flops
 
It's hard to tell exactly what we are looking to do this year but it seems like we are more of a half court team now that we are getting bigger. I can tell you this much though, in years past our main offense was the fast break and our Defense sucked but we would get a lot of blocks. It was an exciting team but we sucked. Eye popping dunks and crazy blocks were awesome but didn't translate into wins. Welcome btw.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ace @ Jun 27 2008, 03:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Frank likes bball player with high bball IQs. We played a princeton like offense last year. This
year will probably be more of a uptempo offense with Harris. In half court, lots of pick and rolls, pops.
Yi could make alot of money with VC & Harris. We really didnt have a good bench last year. Thats why
Nachbar played so much. This is year I dont know about the bench with all these young guys. Almost
all of our assistants left us, so I dont know who coaches the big man. Bill Cartwright coached the bigs last year
but he left. We extended the qualifying offer to Krstic. We are going to have so many bigs next year unless
we make a trade.</div>
We haven't played a Princeton offense in like 3 years.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jun 27 2008, 03:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ace @ Jun 27 2008, 03:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Frank likes bball player with high bball IQs. We played a princeton like offense last year. This
year will probably be more of a uptempo offense with Harris. In half court, lots of pick and rolls, pops.
Yi could make alot of money with VC & Harris. We really didnt have a good bench last year. Thats why
Nachbar played so much. This is year I dont know about the bench with all these young guys. Almost
all of our assistants left us, so I dont know who coaches the big man. Bill Cartwright coached the bigs last year
but he left. We extended the qualifying offer to Krstic. We are going to have so many bigs next year unless
we make a trade.</div>
We haven't played a Princeton offense in like 3 years.
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VC told me that.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ace @ Jun 27 2008, 04:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jun 27 2008, 03:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ace @ Jun 27 2008, 03:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Frank likes bball player with high bball IQs. We played a princeton like offense last year. This
year will probably be more of a uptempo offense with Harris. In half court, lots of pick and rolls, pops.
Yi could make alot of money with VC & Harris. We really didnt have a good bench last year. Thats why
Nachbar played so much. This is year I dont know about the bench with all these young guys. Almost
all of our assistants left us, so I dont know who coaches the big man. Bill Cartwright coached the bigs last year
but he left. We extended the qualifying offer to Krstic. We are going to have so many bigs next year unless
we make a trade.</div>
We haven't played a Princeton offense in like 3 years.
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VC told me that.
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No wonder it hasn't worked. Vince thinks that a Princeton offense?
What's so Princeton offense about isolation plays and pick n' rolls?
 
We played in a motion offense, with RJ as the #1 option and Vince #2. When Devin came here, he became #3 option.

We run on the fastbreak, especially Devin. So if Yi likes to run, he'll fit right in.

We do isolation when things go wrong. It seems most of the time, that simply makes things worse.

Pick and roll/pop are what Vince and Marcus Williams specialize in. Marcus has connected with Boone multiple times. Vince has a knack for getting big men many easy buckets. Devin's pretty good at it too, but since he's new here, I haven't really seen everything.

When Krstic is healthy, and has his confidence up, he usually becomes the main option on offense for stretches of time. Either a pick and pop with Vince (or Kidd, when he was here) or we post him up. We haven't done that since last year, though.

Defense...well, it's not that great. That could've been because of RJ, Kidd, and Devin's injuries, though. Plus a high number of minutes going to Boki Nachbar, Nenad Krstic, and Marcus Williams, who all suck at defense. Sean Williams was a rookie, and was struggling with defense. He did an admirable job trying, though. More that I can say for RJ.

Frank...well, I'd say he's a defensive minded coach. He needs defensive minded players, though. Devin helps greatly in that aspect. Vince had stepped up defensively, after the trade deadline. Boone's a solid defender, and Sean's a great shotblocker with potential to become a good defender. CDR should help out on defense, he's a smart player. Yi, eh. Simmons...I don't really know how his D is. Marcus still sucks, and Boki and Krstic likely won't be here.

Almost all of our assistants have left. In fact, I think all of them have. We just signed former guard Doug Overton, though!

And Krstic got injured. His confidence got shattered. He hasn't been the same since.

And yes, Devin likes to flop. I remember when Krstic was healthy, and when we had Collins, they took some of the most charges in the NBA. Collins flopped a lot, Krstic flopped a little, but mostly just got knocked down. Boki takes a lot of charges, too. I hope the guys we've picked up know how to take charges - we'll need those type of plays on defense.
 
75% of Nets's set offense last year, especially post Kidd trade, was pick and roll/pop, often two or more in succession from opposite sides of the floor if the first was not successful in producing a shot. Carter and Harris split fairly evenly in initiating but Carter would definitely handle at the most crucial times in the game. Big men who can shoot from 20' will absolutely thrive playing alongside Carter.

That would be doubly true if the Nets would do more of something they did in Carter's first season and a half with the team, which is post him up close to the lane. He is a lethal, LETHAL low post player for his size, better, I think, than any guard/SF in the league not named LeBron. Unfortunately they never had the shooters at the big positions to play that kind of inverted offense really effectively. But with Yi, Anderson, hopefully a healthy Krstic, and Lopez on board, I'm hoping that Frank realizes his best post asset is 6'6" guard who can score over any individual defender down there as well as make excellent decisions and passes on double teams.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ffz @ Jun 27 2008, 02:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What kind of offense does the Nets run and what is expected out of the PF? I'm interested in how Yi will be used (if he's used...). Also what kind of coach is Franks. I know he values defense, but how much. I mean he played Boki freaking Nochbar playoff minutes so there musn't have been that much of a value on defense.

I'm guessing with the addition of Harris there will be lots more pick and roll, but does Franks prefer more half court or up and down? Also can someone expand on their coaches? Who coaches the big guys?

In Houston the rockets first hired Patrick Ewing and now they have Jack Sikma for yao... Milwaukee had yeah (not much)... who is coaching Sean Williams and Krstic?

Also whats the situation with Kristic? I remember he used to be pretty damn good 2-3 years ago.</div>

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it was a useless motion offense that frank made RJ the focal point... and RJ bought into the fact and startin thinkin he was MJ
 
Basically.

The Nets tried a lot of offensive schemes the last few years. They tried to run, isolation, ball movement but I think they will try to get out and run with Devin at the point.

Defense, ha, what defense.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Jun 27 2008, 06:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ffz @ Jun 27 2008, 02:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What kind of offense does the Nets run and what is expected out of the PF? I'm interested in how Yi will be used (if he's used...). Also what kind of coach is Franks. I know he values defense, but how much. I mean he played Boki freaking Nochbar playoff minutes so there musn't have been that much of a value on defense.

I'm guessing with the addition of Harris there will be lots more pick and roll, but does Franks prefer more half court or up and down? Also can someone expand on their coaches? Who coaches the big guys?

In Houston the rockets first hired Patrick Ewing and now they have Jack Sikma for yao... Milwaukee had yeah (not much)... who is coaching Sean Williams and Krstic?

Also whats the situation with Kristic? I remember he used to be pretty damn good 2-3 years ago.</div>

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I'll answer...B?
 
Yi will thrive off Devin and Carter playing the pick and pop. Vince Carter almost single-handedly made Krstic a 60-million dollar man until Krstic injured himself.
 
since don't watch much nets games, don't know much about nets.

thanks guys, it's helpful. you are so professional bball fans!

even though Yi is PF, he could run faster than some common guards, so i think his speed could be enough to Harris and VC.
when yi is in the court, more fast breaks is a good choice, besides pick and roll. especially comparing his speed with strength.

i'd like to hope that nets' offense will be faster than golden state
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Another YiFan @ Jun 28 2008, 10:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>since don't watch much nets games, don't know much about nets.

thanks guys, it's helpful. you are so professional bball fans!

even though Yi is PF, he could run faster than some common guards, so i think his speed could be enough to Harris and VC.
when yi is in the court, more fast breaks is a good choice, besides pick and roll. especially comparing his speed with strength.

i'd like to hope that nets' offense will be faster than golden state</div>
You'll be severely disappointed then. GS has a free offense where the term "bad shot" doesn't exist. Outside of Nelson and D'Antoni, there are no coaches who would allow that sort of thing.
Plus, GS lineup is extremely small. NJ is one of the tallest teams in the league right now.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kdub @ Jun 28 2008, 05:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yi will thrive off Devin and Carter playing the pick and pop. Vince Carter almost single-handedly made Krstic a 60-million dollar man until Krstic injured himself.</div>
Also made journeyman Mikki Moore into an $18 million dollar man.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jun 28 2008, 01:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kdub @ Jun 28 2008, 05:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yi will thrive off Devin and Carter playing the pick and pop. Vince Carter almost single-handedly made Krstic a 60-million dollar man until Krstic injured himself.</div>
Also made journeyman Mikki Moore into an $18 million dollar man.
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Oh yeah, I forgot about Mikki!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ Jun 28 2008, 01:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Another YiFan @ Jun 28 2008, 10:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>since don't watch much nets games, don't know much about nets.

thanks guys, it's helpful. you are so professional bball fans!

even though Yi is PF, he could run faster than some common guards, so i think his speed could be enough to Harris and VC.
when yi is in the court, more fast breaks is a good choice, besides pick and roll. especially comparing his speed with strength.

i'd like to hope that nets' offense will be faster than golden state</div>
You'll be severely disappointed then. GS has a free offense where the term "bad shot" doesn't exist. Outside of Nelson and D'Antoni, there are no coaches who would allow that sort of thing.
Plus, GS lineup is extremely small. NJ is one of the tallest teams in the league right now.
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Yeah, but Devin loves to get out on the break. If Yi loves to get out on the break, too, then all the better for him - I think it's only Devin, Sean, sometimes Vince and Boone who like to get out on the break; of the players who are currently on our team.

If Yi gets out on the break as much as Devin, that just means more opportunities for Yi.
 
until now, Kidd was the focal point of the Nets' offense, so wht things will be like with Harris/Carter is anyone's guess. Coach Frank will have a better sense on how to use everyone--including the players acquired from Dallas--during trainign camp (not to mention that Devin will be healthy).

Coach Frank gets a lot of complaints regarding some of his plays, decision-making, and ability to get the players to execute. This will be a big test for him.

That said, he is primarily committed to defense. If you can play defense, or are a dead-eye mid-range shooter, you'll play.

I suspect that Boki and Diop will not be resigned. I don't know about Krstic. Not only has he had trouble regaining his shooting touch since his injury, but his defense has been atrocious, and I see these recent changes as a way to reassert the Nets' former defensive mindset (getting rid of RJ, the draft picks, etc.).

Carter's defemse is underrated. Heck, everything about Carter is underrated. He's a tremendous player. Many fans still are down on him because they want him to be something he isn't, but what he is is a prolific, dominant scorer who has been an iron man since acquired by the Nets. Last year he was hampered all year by an injury that required surgery--look at his stats in that light.

Boone is pretty good, but he should be a backup center, and he'd just clean up. Boone is a great offensive rebounder and has an amazing touch around the basket. His biggest lilabilities, as I see it, is he has no jump shot; can't shoot free throws (although he was making a lot of progress during the season), and when he makes a mistake on defense he often stops and beats himself up inside WHILE THE PLAY IS STILL GOING ON. He needs to learn to just shrug his mistakes off and instinctively recover the best he can while the ball is still in play. Other than that, he's a pretty good positional defender.

They still have a little bit of deadwood on the roster, most notably Swift and Hassell. I don't know anything about Simmons, to be honest. They will make another deal, or a sign-and-trade for a free agent, using one or both of them and possibly KVH's contract.

Sean Williams is a tremendous athlete who is a little nutty. He needs to add stamina and learn to make better decisions, but his athleticism is just unreal.

Most fans are down on Marcus Williams, who is the backup PG. He has not grown, often makes poor decisions, and looks lackadaisical on defense. However, in his support, many PGs experience the most growth between their first and second seasons, and he was really hindered by a broken foot he suffered during last year's training camp which caused him to miss a chunk of time at the beginning of the season. I suspect he also suffered backing up Kidd, that it didn't do much for his confidence. We'll see what happens with him. At any rate, the Nets will have three PGs on the roster, so, even if they don't deal him, they'll acquire one more.

Julius Hodge will probably make the team and will compete with CDR, Simmons, and Hassell for minutes.

I personally believe, and I think the Nets believe, that every successful team has an established identity, and that the players on the team bust buy into and fit into that identity. I think the Nets want their identity to be one of strong perimeter defense, protecting the rim, a team that can run but not at the expense of defense, decent outside shooting, especially among the big men (that's why they loved Krstic when he could still play) and a team that is committed to sharing the ball.

I have no idea how Yi will fit in to all of this.
 
also, let me add that no one knows shat to expect from Devin Harris. What is he capable of? It is conventional wisdom that his development (and ability) was hampered in Dallas by a coach who restricted bis improvisational skills. When he came to the Nets, he was injured and was hampered in that sense.

Wht is he capable of when given a free rein? No one knows.
 
GREAT POST dumpy... that was a the most indept reading iv done since draft day
ahah 3 days
well anyway good post... another thing though... ur so right about boone... he has a tendency of just stopin when he makes mental errors...

and i cant wait for the new season... i think all our rookies will contribute right away
 

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