Plumlee Playoff Rebounding

[Reep]

Do you think he has improved his game, or is this just what happens when you play a really poor rebounding team? Right now Plumlee is third in the playoffs for rebounding (Aminu is 9th).

I'm curious if Plumlee has found another gear and might hit 10+ next year or if he is just benefiting from taking advantage of another teams weakness.

 

[Schilly]

I think to an extent Plumlee is better than his stats indicate because he really hasn't been paired with a PF that compliments his game as much.

 

[Natebishop3]

Part of his jump in rebounding is how the Clips are defending Lillard. Jordan has been trapping Dame out on the perimeter, which pulls him away from the basket, which makes it easier for Plumlee to get rebounds.

 

[BBert]

Do you think he has improved his game, or is this just what happens when you play a really poor rebounding team? Right now Plumlee is third in the playoffs for rebounding (Aminu is 9th).

I'm curious if Plumlee has found another gear and might hit 10+ next year or if he is just benefiting from taking advantage of another teams weakness.

I think it's a combination of Plumlee's ability and approach to the game, and opportunity. The opportunity is the circumstance of the Clippers strategy (Edit: what Nate said). But it all starts with Plumlee's ability, mobility and athleticism, nose for the ball, and desire to fly around and get it.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Part of his jump in rebounding is how the Clips are defending Lillard. Jordan has been trapping Dame out on the perimeter, which pulls him away from the basket, which makes it easier for Plumlee to get rebounds.

There are many factors at play, but Plumlee's offensive rebounding has not increased dramatically in the playoffs due to Jordan double teaming Lillard. His offensive rebounding has remained very close to what it was during the regular season.

Regular Season:
ORB% = 10.4
ORB/36 = 3.5

Playoffs:
ORB% = 10.8
ORB/36 = 4.0

So, a very minor, almost negligible, uptick on offensive rebounding.

Where is rebounding has shown a massive increase is on the defensive end.

Regular Season:
DRB% = 22.2
DRB/36 = 7.4

Playoffs:
DRB% = 33.1
DRB/36 = 12.2

That's a HUGE jump in defensive rebounding.

In raw stats, Plumlee has seen his playing time increased by nearly 4 MPG compared to the regular season. That helps his rebounds per game, but does not explain the huge increase in DRB% and DRB/36. As mentioned, the Clippers are a poor rebounding team (28th in the league in both team ORB% and team DRB% during the regular season). I think part of that is they use their best rebounder to set on the ball screens out beyond the 3-point line. With Deandre Jordan that far from the basket, and a complete non-threat to score more than 3 feet from the basket, that allows Mason Plumlee to sag back and Hoover up a shit ton of defensive rebounds.

Throw in the fact that the Clippers are missing a lot more shots per game in this series than the regular season and there are more defensive rebounds available. During the regular season the Clippers averaged 44 missed FGAs per game. In Game 1, the Clippers as a team shot .538 FG% and only missed 36 FGA. It's not surprising that Plumlee grabbed his series low of only 5 rebounds (3 DRB) in that game. There just weren't that many defensive rebounds available in that game. Now look at Games 2 - 7:

Game 2:
LAC missed FGA = 47
Mason Plumlee TRB = 10
Mason Plumlee DRB = 8

Game 3:
LAC missed FGA = 52
Mason Plumlee TRB = 21
Mason Plumlee DRB = 18

Game 4:
LAC missed FGA = 54
Mason Plumlee TRB = 14
Mason Plumlee DRB = 9

Game 5:
LAC missed FGA = 50
Mason Plumlee TRB = 15
Mason Plumlee DRB = 11

With the Clippers missing an average of almost 51 shots per game in Games 2 - 5, there are simply a lot more defensive rebounds to be had. Combine that with more minutes played and the fact that the Clippers are a weak rebounding team and you see Plumlee's huge uptick in total rebounds.

To answer the OP's question, no I don't think this is sustainable over an entire regular season. I'd love to see Plumlee prove me wrong and average over 10 RPG next year, but right now he's taking advantage of a unique set of circumstance (same for his ridiculous assist totals in this series), but he's an intelligent player with a great motor and good athleticism, so anything is possible.

BNM

 

[Denny Crane]

He's playing with a small ball lineup. Aminu and Harkless are SF by trade.

It could be he gets extra rebounds because he's taller and the SFs want to sprint down court to fast break.

 

[Boob-No-More]

He's playing with a small ball lineup. Aminu and Harkless are SF by trade.

It could be he gets extra rebounds because he's taller and the SFs want to sprint down court to fast break.

Aminu and Harkless have also seen their rebounding increase in the playoffs. Aminu is averaging 9.4 RPG in the playoffs (9th best in the entire league) compared to 6.1 RPG during the regular season. Harkless is up to 6.8 RPG in the playoffs compared to the regular season, compared to just 3.6 RPG in the regular season but he's also playing a lot more minutes.

The advanced and per 36 minutes stats give a more accurate picture:

Aminu Regular Season:
TRB% = 11.5
TRB/36 = 7.7

Aminu Playoffs:
TRB% = 14.4
TRB/36 = 10.6

Harkless Regular Season:
TRB% = 10.4
TRB/36 = 6.9

Harkless Playoffs:
TRB% = 11.6
TRB/36 = 8.6

Both players have also increased their rebounding significantly in the playoffs, especially Aminu. Again this appears to be due to playing against a weak rebounding opponent that is missing a lot of shots.

BNM

 

[Reep]

He's playing with a small ball lineup. Aminu and Harkless are SF by trade.

It could be he gets extra rebounds because he's taller and the SFs want to sprint down court to fast break.

Except for Aminu being 9th in the playoffs in rebounding. And Harkless is obviously no slouch on the boards. Yes, many of those are offensive though.

I agree it is likely a combination of extra opportunities and a bit of Plumlee realizing how important rebounds are in this series.

 

[Denny Crane]

Aminu and Harkless have also seen their rebounding increase in the playoffs. Aminu is averaging 9.4 RPG in the playoffs (9th best in the entire league) compared to 6.1 RPG during the regular season. Harkless is up to 6.8 RPG in the playoffs compared to the regular season, compared to just 3.6 RPG in the regular season but he's also playing a lot more minutes.

The advanced and per 36 minutes stats give a more accurate picture:

Aminu Regular Season:
TRB% = 11.5
TRB/36 = 7.7

Aminu Playoffs:
TRB% = 14.4
TRB/36 = 10.6

Harkless Regular Season:
TRB% = 10.4
TRB/36 = 6.9

Harkless Playoffs:
TRB% = 11.6
TRB/36 = 8.6

Both players have also increased their rebounding significantly in the playoffs, especially Aminu. Again this appears to be due to playing against a weak rebounding opponent that is missing a lot of shots.

BNM

Stotts has noticeably had his players go for offensive rebounds, aggressively.

The Clippers are also missing Blake Griffin and started, who?, last game at F? Crawford and Pierce.

 

[riverman]

We missed a lot of jumpers in this series..those are rebound stocking stuffers everytime

 

[H.C.]

. I think part of that is they use their best rebounder to set on the ball screens out beyond the 3-point line. With Deandre Jordan that far from the basket, and a complete non-threat to score more than 3 feet from the basket, that allows Mason Plumlee to sag back and Hoover up a shit ton of defensive rebounds.

Giving DJ too much credit there BNB. 3 feet from the basket is still a little out of his range I think.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Stotts has noticeably had his players go for offensive rebounds, aggressively.

As I said in my first post, Plumlee's offensive rebounding hasn't increased significantly in the playoffs compared to the regular season (3.5 ORB/36 to 4.0 ORB/36). It's on the defensive glass that his production has exploded (7.4 DRB/36 to 12.2 DRB/36). That's a increase of nearly 5 defensive rebounds per 36 minutes. That's a HUGE increase.

As a team, our ORB% has only increased by 1 percentage point in this series compared to the regular season (from 25.9 to 26.9). We are controlling the defensive boards, keeping the Clippers off the offensive glass and limiting their second chance points.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

Giving DJ too much credit there BNB. 3 feet from the basket is still a little out of his range I think.

I know. I remember seeing a stat somewhere last season where something like 85% of Jordan's FGA were from 1 foot or less.

BNM

 

[Orion Bailey]

I'm not buying the weak rebounding opponent. Not when Jordan is 2nd in the entire league.

 

[KingSpeed]

I'm not buying the weak rebounding opponent. Not when Jordan is 2nd in the entire league.

He's just one player. As a team, they are below average.

 

[Orion Bailey]

He's just one player. As a team, they are below average.

Yeah, but he is one very dominant paint player. Okay, so Ill buy it for the other guys, but not for Plums. He earned his against one of the best paint guys there are.

 

[KingSpeed]

Yeah, but he is one very dominant paint player. Okay, so Ill buy it for the other guys, but not for Plums. He earned his against one of the best paint guys there are.

I believe we were 5th in the league in rebounding this season.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I believe we were 5th in the league in rebounding this season.

Yeah but I think more in large part to Ed Davis. Not Plums. Plums has seriously taken it to the next level while simultaneously battling one of the best in the game and 2nd best in the playoffs.

Just saying that Plums turned it up when it counted most and did it against one of the best in the league in the paint.

 

[KingSpeed]

Yeah but I think more in large part to Ed Davis. Not Plums. Plums has seriously taken it to the next level while simultaneously battling one of the best in the game and 2nd best in the playoffs.

Just saying that Plums turned it up when it counted most and did it against one of the best in the league in the paint.

No doubt. Plumlee rules. But HCP says that Lillard is our only starter-level talent and laughed at me when I said Plumlee was a Team USA center which he is.

 

[Orion Bailey]

No doubt. Plumlee rules. But HCP says that Lillard is our only starter-level talent and laughed at me when I said Plumlee was a Team USA center which he is.

Well you and I both know there were some ill advised criticisms of this team coming into the season made by more than just one person, but its all good unless they are actually bummed they were wrong.

 

[KingSpeed]

Well you and I both know there were some ill advised criticisms of this team coming into the season made by more than just one person, but its all good unless they are actually bummed they were wrong.

That was actually just about 2 weeks ago! He was talking about how little talent we had and I said we had a Team USA center. He laughed at me and said "yeah and Mo Williams and Jamal Magloire are All Stars." This was about 2 weeks ago.

 

[Orion Bailey]

That was actually just about 2 weeks ago! He was talking about how little talent we had and I said we had a Team USA center. He laughed at me and said "yeah and Mo Williams and Jamal Magloire are All Stars." This was about 2 weeks ago.

Well.. I suppose some people are unable to change view even in the face of such obvious and valid opposition.

Just a thought, but you don't think he is just saying stuff like that to get you going? I wonder if he actually believes some of the things he posts on here or if he is just having fun knowing some of us, like you and me will bite.

 

[KingSpeed]

Here you go. Earlier this month, this conversation actually happened. He actually compared Mason Plumlee to Jamal Magloire:

Me: The "experts" and people like HCP aren't that knowledgeable about the NBA. They hear that 4 starters are gone, so they must suck. What they didn't notice was CJ and Aminu's emergence in last year's playoffs, that we got a Team USA center for a draft pick, and that we added reliable vets in Henderson and Ed Davis. They also turned a blind eye to Dame's leadership getting the whole team together in San Diego in September. And they underestimated Dame's ability to flourish without Aldridge.

HCP: Did JinxSpeed actually use the term, "TEAM USA CENTER" when describing Plumlee? Really?

Me: You really don't know much about basketball do you? Plumlee was on Team USA in 2014.

HCP: ^This guy actually thought I didn't know Mason was on Team USA...... When I posted this, I knew this was going to happen. That would be like calling Mo Williams and Jamal
Magloire NBA all stars.

He's all over the place. Scoffs at Mason being Team USA and then said he knew I'd say that (so why did he say it?) Very odd.

http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/wh...-preseaon-onward-power-rankings.298640/page-3

 

[Boob-No-More]

I'm not buying the weak rebounding opponent. Not when Jordan is 2nd in the entire league.

Clippers were 28th in the league in both ORB% and DRB% during the regular season. They are the worst rebounding team that made the playoffs.

Plumlee has been great. He's seen an opportunity to help his team with both his passing and rebounding and has used his intelligence, motor and athleticism to make the most of those opportunities, but the fact remains, the Clippers are a very weak rebounding team. They are also missing a hell of a lot of shots. This gives Plumlee more potential rebounds and he's putting in the work to snare those extra boards. Props to him.

BNM

 

[rasheedfan2005]

No doubt. Plumlee rules. But HCP says that Lillard is our only starter-level talent and laughed at me when I said Plumlee was a Team USA center which he is.

Well you can't disregard the HCP's extreme hoops knowledge.