Police shoot suspect - family wants answers

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Police said Billy Simms, 28, was attempting to elude officers who were chasing him for allegedly firing a gun at a car with five occupants inside. An officer fired at Simms and he later died of gunshot wounds, according to Lt. Robert King of the Portland Police Bureau.
Family members said they sat at the scene and pleaded for information for seven hours, even watching a body bag taken away and wondering if it was Billy.
“During the seven hours we were not given any further information,” family members said in a written statement released to the media. “After demanding to speak to a sergeant or person in charge, a female officer approached our family still unable to inform us if in fact Billy was the involved party.”
Family members said they were finally informed that Billy was dead just before 1 a.m. They said he was a loving father of 4 who had recently completed rehabilitation, and did not deserve to be gunned down by police.
“Billy had been working hard to confront his demons and as recent as 6 months ago graduated from rehab, something we were all very proud of him for,” the family statement said. “Billy's life could have been saved if Portland police thought of him as a person, not a felon.”

Source: http://www.kgw.com/news/Family-of-man-shot-by-police-wants-answers-164293206.html

Regardless to the family wanting him not to be shot, the suspect still ran from the police and didn't surrender. Second, if he was turning his life around he shouldn't have had a gun with him.
 
Just you watch...the family will sue...........and win.

America...what a country!
 
Police are there to protect the community, and their first reports was a vehicle's occupant shooting at another vehicle. This is a serious matter when the public is at risk and innocent people being in harms way by a gunman.
 
to lazy to read the link..was that the white guy that they just shot the other day..
 
to lazy to read the link..was that the white guy that they just shot the other day..

yes, a white male.

About an hour later, police learned that the car involved in the shooting was in the parking lot of a 7-Eleven store at 6840 N. Fessenden St. "Because this car and its occupants had just shot at another car officers conducted a high risk traffic stop," King said.
Police confronted two men who had been in the car when they walked out of the 7-Eleven store. One of the men cooperated with officers and was taken into custody, but the other got in the car and drove out of the lot onto Fessenden. " In the course of the stop one Portland police officer fired his weapon," King wrote.

At the same time, police yelled orders to the driver, the witnesses said. Then, as the car started to speed away, an officer fired four shots, Bongiorno and Grove said, and the car rammed the apartment.
Police didn't say whether the driver brandished a gun, whether a weapon was found at the scene or whether the driver returned fire.

Vicky Freshour, a bartender at the Six Point Inn across from the 7-11, said she heard six shots fired and that there was an audible difference between them, leading her to believe both parties exchanged fire.
Source: http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/07/portland_police_fatally_wound_1.html

Latest news.............
The Portland Police Bureau will evaluate whether a North Precinct officer who on Saturday fatally shot a motorist who then crashed into an apartment building acted within bureau policy that restricts officers from shooting at moving vehicles.

The 3-year-old policy says that an officer "shall not" fire at someone who is in in a moving vehicle unless at least one of the following conditions is met:

It's necessary "to counter an active threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or another person, by a person in the vehicle, using means other than the vehicle."
There are no other means available to avert or eliminate the threat.
Even if one of those conditions is met, officers are instructed before firing to consider the location, the surrounding vehicle and pedestrian traffic and the risk to innocent bystanders.

The officer, Justin Clary, a 10-year bureau veteran, is on paid administrative leave while an investigation continues.

The police regarded it as a "high risk traffic stop". What happened if Billy Simms sped away without being shot at and decided to jump a curb and run down a whole bunch of people? Then those victims family would be suing the Police Department for not properly stopping the suspect.

What would you rather have?

Again, if he was trying to turn his life around, he should have surrendered.
 
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Portland police officer ignored downtown robbery

A downtown worker who flagged down a Portland police car to report a robbery in progress said he was surprised by the officer's response Thursday.

"He told me he was off duty and I should call 911," said Rob Anderson, 31. "He rolled up his window and drove away."

Anderson said the officer was in uniform, driving a marked patrol car about a block from the robbery...


The robbery occurred at Central Drugs at Southwest Fourth Avenue and Alder Street shortly after 1 p.m.

A suspect walked in and said he had a gun and would use it if the staff didn't give him drugs and cash. He also threatened to kill everyone in the store, police said.

That's about when Anderson, who works at a social software company around the corner on Southwest Third Avenue, entered the drug store to buy aspirin.

"I didn't notice anything until the pharmacist behind the counter yelled for us to 'Get out of here!' We're closed! " Anderson said.

"I thought that was kind of weird," he said.

He looked around, and noticed, "Everyone in here has their hands up."

He realized he had walked into a robbery and quickly backtracked out of the store with his parents, who were visiting from Delaware. There were about six people inside the pharmacy at the time.

Anderson started dialing 9-1-1 on his cell phone as he walked east on Alder toward Southwest Third Avenue. He was in the middle of dialing when he saw the police car, stopped in southbound traffic on Third Avenue near Alder.

"I ran around to the driver's side of his vehicle, and said, 'Hey, there's a robbery going on just down the block here,'" Anderson said. "I figured that would be faster than calling 9-1-1."

When the officer declined to help, Anderson did dial 9-1-1.

"I felt that the officer was less than helpful," Anderson said.


http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/07/portland_police_officer_ignore.html





Portland Police identify officer but refuse to release name


The Portland police officer who a witness said had declined to respond when he told him about a robbery in progress last week was from East Precinct and was either heading to or from court.

Portland police said the officer came forward after the witness had complained, and an internal affairs investigation has begun into his response. Police Lt. Robert King declined to identify the officer involved...


Even had he been headed to court on his day off, though, the bureau expects uniformed officers in marked patrol cars to respond to felony crimes in progress. At the very least, he could have called in the robbery from his car, and alerted the district officer, the other officers said.



http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/07/off-duty_portland_officer_who.html
 
SlyPokerDog,

I don't know what your intentions are to add to this topic, but I guess you are stating that Portland Police are making bad decisions lately? Or they are not reliable?

Portland Police are doing their best with all the rampant shootings going on, flash mobs, robberies, etc.

Just recently my gf just ran into a Gresham Police officer in a Portland Police car following Hookers on 82nd ave between NE Fremont Blvd and 82nd Max station monday night. They got complaints of too many hookers and drugs in the area. We have both seen Portland PD following the hookers that we know of the last few days. We live in the area and we are tired of the hookers also.

Portland crime seems to be high right now and I think its best that Portland PD is doing the best that they can at the moment.
 
SlyPokerDog,

I don't know what your intentions are to add to this topic, but I guess you are stating that Portland Police are making bad decisions lately? Or they are not reliable?

Portland Police are doing their best with all the rampant shootings going on, flash mobs, robberies, etc.

Just recently my gf just ran into a Gresham Police officer in a Portland Police car following Hookers on 82nd ave between NE Fremont Blvd and 82nd Max station monday night. They got complaints of too many hookers and drugs in the area. We have both seen Portland PD following the hookers that we know of the last few days. We live in the area and we are tired of the hookers also.

Portland crime seems to be high right now and I think its best that Portland PD is doing the best that they can at the moment.

Sly's post seems relevant to me. Does it really matter how much crime is going on in the city when an officer responds with "I'm off duty" and drives away from a felony in progress? Are we expecting too much of a police officer in uniform, driving a marked car to do SOMETHING, ANYTHING really?

In my mind that's crazy, that the officer blew the guy off. Sounds like a bad movie or something.
 
SlyPokerDog,

I don't know what your intentions are to add to this topic, but I guess you are stating that Portland Police are making bad decisions lately? Or they are not reliable?

Portland Police are doing their best with all the rampant shootings going on, flash mobs, robberies, etc.

Just recently my gf just ran into a Gresham Police officer in a Portland Police car following Hookers on 82nd ave between NE Fremont Blvd and 82nd Max station monday night. They got complaints of too many hookers and drugs in the area. We have both seen Portland PD following the hookers that we know of the last few days. We live in the area and we are tired of the hookers also.

Portland crime seems to be high right now and I think its best that Portland PD is doing the best that they can at the moment.

Sly's post seems relevant to me. Does it really matter how much crime is going on in the city when an officer responds with "I'm off duty" and drives away from a felony in progress? Are we expecting too much of a police officer in uniform, driving a marked car to do SOMETHING, ANYTHING really?

In my mind that's crazy, that the officer blew the guy off. Sounds like a bad movie or something.

The police seem to agree with me, here is a follow up to the story -

Although the police bureau has not released his name, other officers, speaking anonymously because they're not authorized to talk about the matter, confirmed that he is the one under investigation.

The officer's inaction has drawn swift reaction from other current and retired Portland police, who rarely criticize fellow officers. They have lit up social media sites with comments such as these:

"What a discredit to all of us who proudly wear the badge and do our duty every day";

"I can't understand how any cop could do that. It makes us all look bad."; and

"Simply get on the air and say something! Court can wait..."

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/08/portland_police_officer_who_ig.html
 
That's pretty damn amazing..... a cop in uniform, in a police cruiser, basically telling the guy to go fuck himself.
 
Um the police are incompetent, if you don't understand then take a look at California.

The problem with public sector unions is that the government does not know how to collectively bargain with them, with an sort of efficacy.
 

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