Police Tasered an 86-year-old disabled grandma (1 Viewer)

[bluefrog]

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Police Tasered an 86-year-old disabled grandma in her bed and stepped on her oxygen hose until she couldn't breathe, after her grandson called 911 seeking medical assistance, the woman and her grandson claim in Oklahoma City Federal Court. Though the grandson said, "Don't Taze my granny!" an El Reno police officer told another cop to "Taser her!" and wrote in his police report that he did so because the old woman "took a more aggressive posture in her bed," according to the complaint.

The cops-abusing-their-tasers story to top them all? Maybe not — I am still expecting a “baby-tazing” incident shortly.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Let's not leave out all the details:

According to the police report, El Reno officers described Varner as aggressive and threatening during the December visit. The first officer on the scene said that Varner told him, "I want to die. I did not call you, so get the (expletive) out of my house."

The report said that Varner pulled out a knife and said, '"If you try and get the knife, I will stab you and kill you. I killed four Japs in World War II and I would not bat an eye killing you." Three officers said they threatened to use the Taser if she didn't cooperate. They said when she became more aggressive, they used the device on her.

"She's a pretty salty old lady and she is really mad about it," Dell said.

Still more than a little excessive that they tazed her, but it's not like she was just lying there doing nothing.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Here's a copy of the police report, if you care to read it. Obviously it only has the officer's side of the story and makes the granny out to look like a nutjob.

 

[bluefrog]

Let's not leave out all the details:

Still more than a little excessive that they tazed her, but it's not like she was just lying there doing nothing.

Yes, because I wanted to give the impression that cops would taze on old lady for no reason.

Here is a link to her lawsuit. Obviously her side of the story and makes the cops out to look like a nutjobs.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

Considering it's highly unlikely that she actually fought in WW2, I would say that she just admitted to murdering four Japanese people in cold blood.

 

[speeds]

She's coming right for us!

 

[bluefrog]

She is going to snuff those 10 police officers one by one, just like she said she would in the police report. 86-year-old disabled ladies know that revenge is dish best served cold... with a knife!

 

[Paxil]

My wife has to deal with people like that routinely at work... and it is sad. You can be as crazy as you want but when you cross the line of trying to harm yourself or others you will get detained. Stepped on oxygen hose so she couldn't breath? Are you kidding me? I am sure she would survive a few minutes breathing the oxygen in normal air... just taking the hose off her nose would have been a lot easier than the pills.

 

[Paxil]

She is going to snuff those 10 police officers one by one, just like she said she would in the police report. 86-year-old disabled ladies know that revenge is dish best served cold... with a knife!

I am going to have nightmares of a granny in with a walker trying to creep up on me now. Everytime I look she will stop and look away innocently... but when I look somewhere else I here the clink of her walker... closer... closer... =)

 

[Idog1976]

Considering it's highly unlikely that she actually fought in WW2, I would say that she just admitted to murdering four Japanese people in cold blood.

That Grandma is one hard ass. Tasering wasn't enough. I think Lethal force was well justified.

SIEG HEIL!

YAY FOR POLICE STATES WOOHOOO!!! Fuck freedom and stuff!!!

*adjusts brown shirt*

 

[Idog1976]

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The cops-abusing-their-tasers story to top them all? Maybe not — I am still expecting a “baby-tazing” incident shortly.

Yes what about their RAZOR SHARP GUMS! Also a cop could slip in a drool puddle and barely twist their ankle. I think we need a SWAT team up in this bitch!

Oh and fuck the 5th amendment just kick down the god damn door and start shooting. There could be a granny or baby in any given household time for door to door searches.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Well, at least old people move slower and make better target practice for these jump starts.

Go granny, go granny, go granny GO.

 

[BlazerWookee]

For a minute I thought you were talking about Don Imus...

 

[BrianFromWA]

One of my good friends is an ER nurse, and she's been pretty well beaten down by "decrepit old people" as she's tried to take blood pressures, adjusted breathing tubes, etc. They can be sneakily strong and feisty.

Once again...someone pulls a knife, they get tasered. Technically, they could have used deadly force. Someone armed with a knife within 20 feet of you justifies it.

And if it's your life on the line, you don't take chances with crazy old ladies holding weapons

 

[bluefrog]

One of my good friends is an ER nurse, and she's been pretty well beaten down by "decrepit old people" as she's tried to take blood pressures, adjusted breathing tubes, etc. They can be sneakily strong and feisty.

Once again...someone pulls a knife, they get tasered. Technically, they could have used deadly force. Someone armed with a knife within 20 feet of you justifies it.

And if it's your life on the line, you don't take chances with crazy old ladies holding weapons

How about trying to be diplomatic. Talking to her or getting her grandson to calm her down and get the knife away from her. Or how about wait until she passes out from the drugs and let the paramedics take her away.

And technically they could have punched her in the face and beat her into submission with their night sticks. Are you serious? We didn't have this problem 20 years ago. This is just stupid lazy police work.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

How about trying to be diplomatic. Talking to her or getting her grandson to calm her down and get the knife away from her.

The fact that you assume that they didn't do any of that speaks volumes.

 

[bluefrog]

The fact that you assume that they didn't do any of that speaks volumes.

Didn't say they tried to in the police report or the lawsuit the family filed...

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Didn't say they tried to in the police report or the lawsuit the family filed...

"I tried talking to Varner and calm her down but nothing would work. Varner told me she was in control of her life and I could not do anything to stop her....
Officer Tinga and Sandberg arrived and assisted me in trying to calm the situation...
At this time I along with the other officers had exhausted attempts at verbally getting Varner to comply...

Three clear references in the police report to their attempts at being diplomatic, trying to calm the situation by talking to her. I stand by my previous statement.

 

[jlprk]

Once again...someone pulls a knife, they get tasered. Technically, they could have used deadly force. Someone armed with a knife within 20 feet of you justifies it. And if it's your life on the line, you don't take chances with crazy old ladies holding weapons

Those are the rules. No need for a conscience. Just the facts, ma'am. And if it's someone else's life on the line, you have permission to just snuff it out to protect yourself from any worries. How did police survive before the advent of tasers?

 

[MARIS61]

The police were invading her home for no good purpose and she supposedly brandished a knife, from her bed, in self-defense.

In her position I would have shot them, and in fact the police are the most compelling reason to support the 2nd Amendment.

 

[huevonkiller]

The police were invading her home for no good purpose and she supposedly brandished a knife, from her bed, in self-defense.

In her position I would have shot them, and in fact the police are the most compelling reason to support the 2nd Amendment.

It seems they were invited in, and also asked for.

Then when approached she just took out a knife and said she was suicidal.

 

[bluefrog]

Three clear references in the police report to their attempts at being diplomatic, trying to calm the situation by talking to her. I stand by my previous statement.

i stand corrected
ごめん

 

[PtldPlatypus]

i stand corrected
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[MikeDC]

It seems they were invited in, and also asked for.

Then when approached she just took out a knife and said she was suicidal.

Yeah, I think there's some threshold at which the police have a duty to not stand there while someone offs themself.

That being said, I think the threshold has to be extremely high. If you've invited into someone's home, they should be able to uninvite you and tell you to get the hell out, even if you're a police officer.

 

[MARIS61]

I see no mention of the lady threatening to commit suicide, only threats to injure her attackers in self defense.

Wanting to die is nowhere near the same as wanting to commit suicide.

 

[huevonkiller]

Yeah, I think there's some threshold at which the police have a duty to not stand there while someone offs themself.

That being said, I think the threshold has to be extremely high. If you've invited into someone's home, they should be able to uninvite you and tell you to get the hell out, even if you're a police officer.

Fair enough but what if the other habitant wanted them to stay there? Wouldn't that be reasonable cause to just check things out?

Also if she looked unstable I don't blame them. The Police will investigate all kinds of suicidal people.

 

[jlprk]

You guys are really saying that tasing her can prevent her from killing herself with a knife she is already holding?

Can you explain how that would work? Just because you are suddenly in great pain, you now can't slice your own throat? Wouldn't tasing increase the misery and probability of suicide, not decrease it?

As for your knee-jerk defense of tasers, I repeat: How did police deal with problems before tasers? Why are those methods no longer applicable? Have you ever thought of just grabbing her and not worrying about getting a little cut from a little old lady? Like police did before tasers?

What happened to police being men, not self-protective sissies? Earn your pay, this isn't a bug you spray!

 

[huevonkiller]

You guys are really saying that tasing her can prevent her from killing herself with a knife she is already holding?

Can you explain how that would work? Just because you are suddenly in great pain, you now can't slice your own throat? Wouldn't tasing increase the misery and probability of suicide, not decrease it?

As for your knee-jerk defense of tasers, I repeat: How did police deal with problems before tasers? Why are those methods no longer applicable? Have you ever thought of just grabbing her and not worrying about getting a little cut from a little old lady? Like police did before tasers?

What happened to police being men, not self-protective sissies? Earn your pay, this isn't a bug you spray!

Dude, even a small knife can kill you in one strike. This isn't about an innocent old lady trying to rush them with just brute force. Tasers are dangerous as well so this is a complicated subject.


Whether you believe in Euthanasia or not is another topic. An officer will attempt to prevent suicides and they were wanted there as well.

How did people deal with criminals with other inferior technology? Who cares? Tasers are not to be played with, but if your life is being put in danger by a knife (possibly a large one not sure what model it was) then that is their purpose.

 

[bluefrog]

How did people deal with criminals with other inferior technology? Who cares? Tasers are not to be played with, but if your life is being put in danger by a knife (possibly a large one not sure what model it was) then that is their purpose.

Who cares?!?! It doesn't matter that there may be better methods of dealing with people in this situation???

There were 10 cops there. She is 86 years old and disabled. It's not like she could leap out of her bed and mortally wound them.

They could have grabbed her arm with a blanket or towel to get the knife away from her. They could have let her give the knife to her grandson. They could have used a broom or long stick to block her arm while the 9 other officers pried the knife from her gorilla-like grip. That's just off the top of my head.

 

[huevonkiller]

Who cares?!?! It doesn't matter that there may be better methods of dealing with people in this situation???

There were 10 cops there. She is 86 years old and disabled. It's not like she could leap out of her bed and mortally wound them.

They could have grabbed her arm with a blanket or towel to get the knife away from her. They could have let her give the knife to her grandson. They could have used a broom or long stick to block her arm while the 9 other officers pried the knife from her gorilla-like grip. That's just off the top of my head.

Were her arms and hands disabled? A few months ago there was someone that died around here from a relatively short knife. So to me this is an important subject and I don't care how many people there were, if one of them dies in the process of trying to be cute with her that is a failure. If they leave she could kill herself, if they stay they could get stabbed.

Saying "this is how it was back then" is valuable how? People had fewer options back then, not being able to ever use a taser is not a positive. There are various things to consider. I don't support ignorantly using a taser either, or stepping on someone's oxygen hose.