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You can say none if that is what you believe.

I'm going to Stepan which is probably something most don't think. Rangers have a history of dealing with the Jackets. I know JD and Torts both love Stepan. I think the Rangers want a legit, number 1 center and move Brassard to number 2 where he is perfect. Johansen is also very good on draws. I'm not so sure they wouldn't do that straight up. However, I think their defenseman are awful. So, that is why I think they would want Yandle in the deal, try to sign him and then you would have to take back a couple pieces to even the money out.
 
Hope its girardi and/or staal bringing back a scoring forward or #1 pick
 
Think it will be a deal nobody expects. That's why I'm on the Stepan deal to get Johansen.
 
Again, as in the past this team has no depth. Players go
down with injuries, there are no adequate replacements.
I say it will be a forward, and if you're looking for a high
pick & a player...........it's going to be a Zuccarello or a Nash +

Personally, I hate playing a would be GM.......there are enough
on this board to fill out every team in the NHL. LOL
 
Not Zucc. He actually tries. I think Kreider has thrown himself into the conversation. I truly believe despite his season, teams would offer a lot for him.
 
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I see no reason to trade Fast. He has 5 G, 6 A. He's a good PK player. Young and cheap. He's a 4th line player. 11 points on the 4th line is solid at this point. Especially with reject Glass on his line now.

It's pretty disappointing to watch Hayes. He really sucks this year. Perhaps a trade to Florida. I heard they were shopping Pirri. You probably could get a 2nd round pick along with Pirri or a righty shooting prospect like Hawryluk. Rangers for some reason like soft forwards who are all lefty shots.
 
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Hope its girardi and/or staal bringing back a scoring forward or #1 pick
You'd be fortunate to get a 2nd and good depth player for either these days. Both are on the decline. The organization got suckered in by both.
 
The reality is the moves we have made to go for it the past few seasons have not worked out. Not knocking anyone, and neither should this board considering 98% of the posters were on board with the moves when they were made, but the reality is they have not worked and actually been bad moves. That's just being honest.

I think resigning Girardi was the right move, and still will play out that way. But no way we should have resigned Staal...no way. And we compounded that by trading for Yandle, who we cannot keep if we have Staal here as well.

The Yandle deal has been a disaster. First because with Staal here we cannot keep both. Second because he simply is not the difference maker many of us hoped he'd be. He is a high risk/reward dman who has some nice moves with the puck, but isn't an elite puck mover. Questionable in his own zone. And doesn't like to shoot. For that we gave up DuClair, who the jury is still out on but I think worst case will be a good offensive player AND for some reason we also had to add in a 1st round pick. Yandle is a solid 2nd pair LD IMO, but here he cannot be that with Staal...and he is not worth DuClair and a 1st. Maybe one of those two pieces, although that is questionable still, but certainly not both.

The MSL deal was a bad one. The plus is we don't get to the SCF without MSL, but did we really need to deal Cally and a 1st for MSL when he ONLY wanted NY or bust? Steve Y owned Sather given those set of circumstances. We got less than 1.5 years of MSL and for that we dealt a late 1st and Cally. Now it isn't a disaster like the Yandle deal because we did make the SCF, I wanted no part of Cally at 6 mill per, and it was a late 1st and we got back a 2nd, but still a bad deal given the circumstances.

Letting Stralman walk for Boyle looks ridiculous now. Same AAV but a couple of extra years. Stralman is 100 times better than Boyle, and we could have brought him back at the same AAV. Terrible decision by Sather.

In hindsight we should have paid Prust 2.5 per, or maybe 2 per and he would have taken a little less. Since then we have been chasing crap tough guys, and we are now stuck with AV's toy Glass. And the Glass signing was just a terrible signing. 3 years for this guy...THREE. We could have signed him for one year and he would have taken it. Only reason it isn't the worst move of the group is the AAV isn't that large to be impactful, but since AV refuses to get rid of him, the Glass signing registers near the top.

Stalberg has been a bust signing. The Hags deal has added nothing to this team. Had to deal him because no shot we sign him to that deal, but added nothing now. We'll see in the future if the pick becomes a player. The Talbot situation didn't play out like we hoped, Sather may have overplayed his hand at the draft on that one.

So the reality is the moves Sather has made the past few seasons to finish this team off have mainly been real bad moves. We were right there and needed a couple of finishing touches, and everything Sather did to add those finishing touches were the wrong choices. Sad but true.

Now again I am not ripping Sather or calling him out because I was okay with the moves at the time, as was 98% of the board, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be honest and say they were all bad moves. We are also not getting paid what Sather got paid to make these decisions, and are not privy to the info Sather has when he makes these decisions, so while we were on board, the buck stops with him and he did a poor job finishing this team off. Now we are where we are.

To me you have to get Staal to waive that NTC. Otherwise you will deal Yandle and get nowhere near the value we traded to get him. Staal is the move here. Package him with Hayes and try and get something good upfront that can really help us. Then hope McD, G, Yandle, McIlrath, Klein, and Boyle is good enough on D to get is there. And we have Skjei waiting in the wings.

This is the sad truth of the situation...now let's see what Gorton can do about it.
 
Couldn't disagree with that analysis more. I make every single one of those moves every day of the week and twice on Sunday. It's gotten this team so close but not quite over the hump yet, which is why there is more work to do.

The only thing I'd change is that if Yandle was truly a target for a long time as Sather has said, he should have pulled the trigger on that before resigning Staal. That was unfortunate timing. Staal's deal became a huge, huge problem the second we traded for Yandle.

I also don't see in that post the moves we should have made instead, unless we're suggesting that we should have just stayed pat with the current roster so we could all complain that Sather was asleep and not bringing in any difference makers.

EDIT: I should make clear I'm talking about the main moves (Yandle, MSL, Stralman, Hagelin). Stalberg was a stupid sign which should never have happened. Same thing times 100000x for Glass.
 
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The ship is sinking on December 21. LOL...chuck. You are down on this team, huh? What a month.
Hate to say it but I was telling you last year when they made Yandle deal that wasn't a good deal. He was not needed here. Especially after they resigned Staal to the long term deal. Should've either traded Staal last year or just let him walk in the summer. His deal looks bad now. Now it is up to these players and AV to ride the ship.
 
By the way, no one is forcing AV to play Glass. AV should take as much blame here as the next guy.
 
By the way, no one is forcing AV to play Glass. AV should take as much blame here as the next guy.

I was at the game last night, I didnt get to read the pregame stuff about lines. When I saw Glass trot out there with Zucc I almost threw up my 10 dollar pretzel.
 
I was at the game last night, I didnt get to read the pregame stuff about lines. When I saw Glass trot out there with Zucc I almost threw up my 10 dollar pretzel.

where did you sit? they put that advertising behind the nets and i keep thinking how pissed i'd be if i paid all that money to go to a game and have to stare at a Chase logo the entire time and not be able to see the game. It's getting ridiculous with the advertising.
 
where did you sit? they put that advertising behind the nets and i keep thinking how pissed i'd be if i paid all that money to go to a game and have to stare at a Chase logo the entire time and not be able to see the game. It's getting ridiculous with the advertising.

If you're talking about the ads on the glass (not the board but the glass itself), those are actually virtual ads added for TV audiences only. Same technology that puts the first down marker on the football fields. The glass is clear for the players and fans at the games.

Im usually in the middle of section 209, near Rangers bench blue line.
 
Glass with Zucc showed me that AV has totally lost his mind with this clown
 
If you're talking about the ads on the glass (not the board but the glass itself), those are actually virtual ads added for TV audiences only. Same technology that puts the first down marker on the football fields. The glass is clear for the players and fans at the games.

Im usually in the middle of section 209, near Rangers bench blue line.

Yes, it's the glass advertising i was referring to. had no idea it was virtual, good to know.
 
The ship is sinking on December 21. LOL...chuck. You are down on this team, huh? What a month.
Hate to say it but I was telling you last year when they made Yandle deal that wasn't a good deal. He was not needed here. Especially after they resigned Staal to the long term deal. Should've either traded Staal last year or just let him walk in the summer. His deal looks bad now. Now it is up to these players and AV to ride the ship.
I am not giving up on a da*n thing. I am not even saying I am down on the team. I think I am just speaking the truth here.

I respectfully disagree with Prod. Those moves, with maybe the exception if the MSL trade as I said, were not good moves. I was 100% on board when they were made so I am not knocking anyone at all, just speaking honestly that as we sit here now those were bad moves.

Doesn't mean the world is over or the Rangers are done for and have no shot this season, just means we have to work hard to dig out of the hole some of these questionable moves left us in. I believe we can do it, but I do think we need to make a move to make it happen.

NO SHOT Yandle and Staal are both here next season, so make a move. I think Hayes could be a guy to go.

I also think it is hard to argue the Yandle deal, and the decision to add Boyle over Stralman, and signing Glass for a ridiculous 3 years were good moves. AGAIN I supported every single one of those moves, so I "own" them as well, but the truth is the truth.
 
Couldn't disagree with that analysis more. I make every single one of those moves every day of the week and twice on Sunday. It's gotten this team so close but not quite over the hump yet, which is why there is more work to do.

The only thing I'd change is that if Yandle was truly a target for a long time as Sather has said, he should have pulled the trigger on that before resigning Staal. That was unfortunate timing. Staal's deal became a huge, huge problem the second we traded for Yandle.

I also don't see in that post the moves we should have made instead, unless we're suggesting that we should have just stayed pat with the current roster so we could all complain that Sather was asleep and not bringing in any difference makers.

EDIT: I should make clear I'm talking about the main moves (Yandle, MSL, Stralman, Hagelin). Stalberg was a stupid sign which should never have happened. Same thing times 100000x for Glass.
Here are my "issues" Prod.

MSL would only come here...did we need to give Cally AND a 1st? To me this is the "best" of these moves, but still a question mark.

Did we need to give DuClair AND a 1st for Yandle? Seems like a lot to me. And like you said this move made even less sense after they resigned Staal. If Staal wasn't here I am with you, but one has to be gone. If Yandle is the odd man out, do we get a DuClair type and 1st for him?

Boyle over Stralman. Not sure how this can even be a debate. At the time it was a toss up, but I don't think that is a to win now we took Boyle over Stralman move. That was a bad decision.

Here is my main point...you KNOW I was 100% in to go for it Prod, so I am not saying I have an issue with the mindset...I am saying the players we decided to go for it with turned out to be the wrong players and the wrong decisions. Again I own it as much as any fan does, so I was 1000000% wrong on these moves at the time, but as we sit here today to me it is hard to argue they were good moves. My guess is with DuClair and a 1st being dangled we could have gotten other win now players outside of Yandle. He turned out to be the wrong target...double so when you have Staal resigned.

Is what it is. We are where we are. I still 100% believe in this team and believe we will right the ship and still be a big player this season, I just think we need a little shakeup to make it happen and awaken and refocus the team.
 
ah, the world through hindsight. How cute.
 
It is hindsight...which is why I said I was 10000000% on board and I 1000000000000% own it and I was 10000000000000% wrong. Freely can admit that.

Not trying to say I liked the deals at the time, then knock everyone who supported the deals....I will leave that to someone else on this board...who BTW you didn't say one word to when he posted a lot of this stuff....except he acted like we were all idiots for wanting these deals done even though he was 1000000% on board like pretty much everyone else in here.

BUT as usual I wouldn't expect anything different from you 31...LOL.

The mindset was 100% spot on. The players we actually focused on and brought here, for what we gave up and what we had in place, were the wrong players. That seems pretty clear to me, and I was 1000000% wrong at the time the big deals were done (we all hated the Glass signing from day one).
 
MSL/Cally you can live with as I said. Even though MSL would only come here, he did help us get to the SCF and no shot I want Cally at a 6 mill AAV.

The Yandle deal is a flat-out terrible deal. That couldn't be any clearer.

Boyle over Stralman is a flat-out terrible decision. Neither of those guys is more win now than the other, so that was just a bad decision. All there is to it.

The Hags deal is what it is. Not close to the same level as Yandle and Stralman, but we didn't get anything that will help this team in the near future. A deal we had to make for sure, but not a help this year at all. I don't really knock this one, made the best of the situation, but certainly didn't help us today or tomorrow that's for sure.

And based on comments at the time, Sather may have misplayed his hand on Talbot. This is speculation though, who really knows.
 
What is the rationale for saying they are bad moves? That we haven't won the cup in the year since they've been made? I think there are very good reasons as to why Yandle and Stralman were not only not bad moves, but good moves.

Yandle is the best offensive and puck moving defenseman we've had since the 05 lockout and it's not even close. He makes so many subtle plays that no other Ranger could make if their lives depended on it. Take the play on McIlrath's goal. He grabs the puck under pressure on his back hand after a face off win, brings it to his passing side, eludes a defenseman with a nice fake, moves the puck to center ice and puts it on a tee for McIlrath who drives it home. Nobody else makes that play. He's been doing stuff like that since we got him but all anyone wants to talk about is his play in his own zone. No he's not great there, but he wasn't brought here to do that. We have McDonagh, Staal, Girardi who are supposed to play that type of game. Not to mention that Yandle-McIlrath have been far and away the team's best pairing for a good few weeks now. Keeping those two together for the next few years should be a priority.

Regarding what we gave up to get him...our number 2 winger prospect (behind Buch), who has documented effort and character concerns, and a 1st. The first hurts, but don't forget, we got him for HALF PRICE CAP HIT. That was absolutely huge. It gave a very clear sign that this year and last year are go-for-it years. Last year if our top 3 defenseman didn't ALL get hurt (not 1, not 2, but all 3) in the playoffs and require surgery who knows where we are now. And we still have this year to go. Yandle at 2.6m leaves space for another add towards the deadline that otherwise wouldnt have been possible. No way he's here for 2.6m without that first going the other way. And I want to see him signed. Good deal there in my opinion.

Stralman...it's been beaten to death but it came down to term. McDonagh, Girardi, Staal, Klein all factored into the long-term plans. Stralman could be here if he wanted to be, but he wanted term. It's HUGE that Boyle's 4.5 hit is coming off the books after this year. Imagine if we still had Stralman's contract, and that contract would be the difference in not being able to afford a guy like Kreider this offseason? His disappointing year aside, there would be a meltdown here that we kept Anton freaking Stralman over a kid like Kreider. Stralman added nothing that we didn't already have on our defensive core. Klein plays the same type of game, on the same side, for 1.5 million cheaper. He was a decent player, but he was not physical, not offensively gifted, redundant to what we already had, and wanted term we couldn't afford to give him. And he's NEVER been the top guy on his pairing. No issue letting him walk whatsoever.

Boyle was brought here because Richards had been bought out and there was nobody on the roster who could play the PP point. Nobody. We grabbed Boyle because he was the only guy worth a damn who would sign for only 2 years. That move unfortunately hasn't worked out. He was hurt early and often, never hit is stride, and Yandle made him not needed. But I feel very good with the right-side D being Girardi-McIlrath-Klein going forward, and the extra 1.5 million dollars Stralman would have cost is in no way, shape or form, worth it.

Reasonable people can disagree, but I just don't see how someone can look at all the facts and call them "bad moves." You can say in hindsight you probably wouldnt have done it, but that doesnt make it a bad move. A bad move is signing Tanner Glass to 3 years.

Either way, the focus should now be on what can be done going forward. We still need a top 6 forward like Ive been saying since the damn draft, and we need Staal and Girardi (who again, are both coming off lower body surgeries) to wake up. I'm still confident they will.
 
What is the rationale for saying they are bad moves?

The rationale is the losing streak we're in right now. you didn't see Chuck saying these were bad moves at the start of the year when we were playing out of our rear ends.
 
I think you summed it up Prod. In hindsight you wouldn't make the Yandle deal...not when Staal is here long term. To me I think that was a bad move given all the facts on the table AND the fact that Yandle is not a difference maker. Reality is it makes very little sense to add a Yandle as a 3rd pair LD. If Staal wasn't resigned...yes 100% makes sense. With Staal here it makes very little sense.

Boyle over Stralman is also a bad move. Again this wasn't a win now move, to me Boyle or Stralman same deal in terms of who is better to win now. This is a bad decision as we sit here today. Again to me it is just reality. We can agree to disagree there Prod.

And 31...you are 10000000000000% right. Things change. Circumstances change. Seeing Yandle play here...he is not a difference maker. It does not make sense to add him when you have your top two LD locked up for YEARS. Same goes with Boyle over Stralman. That was a bad decision for the reasons I laid out. That wasn't a win now move, that was a choice of Boyle over Stralman.

Like I said....I was 1000000000% wrong. I liked the moves when they were made. As circumstances have changed, Staal resigned, Yandle not a difference maker, Boyle falling apart, Stralman taking off, they are not good moves today. Again just being honest.

We can call it hindsight, we can call it second guessing, we can call it whatever we want to call it...still doesn't change the fact that as we sit here today they have not worked out and were not good moves.

Again I own that. I was wrong. Not calling anyone an idiot or acting like I didn't support these moves, I did and I was wrong...period. We brought the wrong player in when we added Yandle. No doubt we could have gotten something really good with DuClair and a 1st as the offer. With Staal here that was a dumb move. Again it is what it is.
 
And to be clear again, I am NOT giving up on this season at all. WAY too much hockey left to play. I 100% believe we will turn it around and be a player this season, so that isn't my point at all. No give up or punting after 35 games.

I do however believe we need to make some tweaks here to get the ship righted again. That I believe for sure.

But I 100% believe this team can still get it done this season. I am fully on board there. No one should give up anything with over 1/2 a season left. This team will turn it around I believe...my opinion on that has not changed.
 
I think you summed it up Prod. In hindsight you wouldn't make the Yandle deal...not when Staal is here long term.

I don't think that's what I'm saying...I still pull the trigger on Yandle. I think he is a difference maker. We just need the defensive guys to uphold their end of the bargain. I'm saying Staal's deal is now bad, but I'm hoping Gorton finds a way to get out of it. Even if he doesnt and Yandle walks, if we have 2 playoff runs with Yandle at 2.6m and STILL can't get it done, that's not a reflection on the trade. It's a reflection on the guys that are here.
 

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