Problems With The Us Military

[The`Dream]

This thread is about why the United States, the greatest army in the world, is seemingly unable to control insurgents in Iraq.The way I see it is that the United States is built to fight another super-power. During the Cold War, our entire tactic was preperation to fight the USSR. However, we still continue that same idea but now its totally different. We weren't aiming for urban warfare then, but more with mass destruction (Missles, Nukes, Etc.)

 

[MaRdYC26]

Blame Bush for a war we can't win

 

[SirLaker]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaRdYC26 @ Mar 3 2007, 07:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Blame Bush for a war we can't win</div>Another ignorant american who blames Bush for everything and agrees with all the leftist media.

 

[KobeBryant_24]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ Mar 3 2007, 07:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Another ignorant american who blames Bush for everything and agrees with all the leftist media.</div> :happy0144: I agree with you 100% bro. Stop putting all the blame on president Bush. The media is trying to make it seem like we are losing the war, when indeed we are winning. Look at all we have accomplished so far. The democrats need to start taking things seriously.

 

[SirLaker]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KobeBryant_24 @ Mar 3 2007, 07:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>:happy0144: I agree with you 100% bro. Stop putting all the blame on president Bush. The media is trying to make it seem like we are losing the war, when indeed we are winning. Look at all we have accomplished so far. The democrats need to start taking things seriously.</div> :yes1:

 

[The`Dream]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KobeBryant_24 @ Mar 3 2007, 10:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>:happy0144: I agree with you 100% bro. Stop putting all the blame on president Bush. The media is trying to make it seem like we are losing the war, when indeed we are winning. Look at all we have accomplished so far. The democrats need to start taking things seriously.</div>Who should we blame then? What Havee we accomplished?How can you say the Democrats aren't taking things seriously, you just said that we were winning a war where we don't even know our enemy?

 

[kingjamez]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaRdYC26 @ Mar 3 2007, 10:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Blame Bush for a war we can't win</div>THE KNICKS LOST! BLAME BUSH!We could nuke the entire Middle East and we'd be done with them, they'd be wiped off the face of the earth. Were trying to help the people over there, and were doing a great job helping them. But when do we ever see good things happening over there? Never. It's all bad, everyone sees the negative side to this war in the Middle East.But hating Bush just seems to be the new fad in America. People that have no idea about Bush and what he's done; all these dumbasses say he's a terrible man, he's a terrorist, he hates black people, blah blah blah.. They are dumb, ignorant, and know nothing of politics in general.

 

[The`Dream]

George Bush hates blacks? Oh My God! I knew it, Hurricane Katrina was a set-up wasn't it!

 

[SirLaker]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L_C @ Mar 3 2007, 07:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>George Bush hates blacks? Oh My God! I knew it, Hurricane Katrina was a set-up wasn't it!</div>At least that is what Kanye West believes.

 

[kingjamez]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ Mar 3 2007, 10:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>At least that is what Kanye West believes.</div>That's what the majority of the african american's believe.No offense.....

 

[SirLaker]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kingjamez @ Mar 3 2007, 07:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That's what the majority of the african american's believe.No offense.....</div>Yeah I guess...but Kanye West was a huge contribution to that belief amongst blacks.

 

[The Captain]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ Mar 3 2007, 10:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Another ignorant american who blames Bush for everything and agrees with all the leftist media.</div><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>THE KNICKS LOST! BLAME BUSH!We could nuke the entire Middle East and we'd be done with them, they'd be wiped off the face of the earth. Were trying to help the people over there, and were doing a great job helping them. But when do we ever see good things happening over there? Never. It's all bad, everyone sees the negative side to this war in the Middle East.But hating Bush just seems to be the new fad in America. People that have no idea about Bush and what he's done; all these dumbasses say he's a terrible man, he's a terrorist, he hates black people, blah blah blah.. They are dumb, ignorant, and know nothing of politics in general.</div><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Another ignorant american who blames Bush for everything and agrees with all the leftist media.</div>Pretty much sums up my thoughts.

 

[the_pestilence]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I agree with you 100% bro. Stop putting all the blame on president Bush. The media is trying to make it seem like we are losing the war, when indeed we are winning. Look at all we have accomplished so far. The democrats need to start taking things seriously.</div>I'm going to leave this one to BCB, because I'm too lazy, but we are not winning the war. We have accomplished nothing in the war in the last 2+ years except symbolic things (killing guys who are immediately replaced).And to answer the thread, the US has enough biological weapons to wipe out the earth several times over, and gigatons of nuclear payload, but no ground troops.

 

[ASUFan22]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KobeBryant_24 @ Mar 3 2007, 08:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>:happy0144: I agree with you 100% bro. Stop putting all the blame on president Bush. The media is trying to make it seem like we are losing the war, when indeed we are winning. Look at all we have accomplished so far. The democrats need to start taking things seriously.</div>We aren't losing anything...the US can't lose to countries like Iraq and Iran alone...what most people are mad at are that we are in a war in the first place. We shouldn't be there. Nothing really is being accomplished as Pestilence said. All that's happening is that we are killing some top terrorists that can be easily replaced, but while doing that it's costing innocent Middle-Eastern people and our US troops over there their lives....And now they want to put even more troops over there. It's easy if you are in a republican family to support Bush's doings, but not if you got family over there and there really is no reason to be doing all that we're doing...I just don't like it. If this continues there may even be a draft and I'd like to see you guys supporting the war if you are forced to go, or a sibling is forced to go and they die there for really no purpose whatsoever. We aren't winning anything.

 

[The Captain]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Mar 3 2007, 11:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And now they want to put even more troops over there. It's easy if you are in a republican family to support Bush's doings, but not if you got family over there and there really is no reason to be doing all that we're doing...</div>I do have family in the war. My cousin supports it, and wanted to go.I have thought about joining the air force later on in life. If I had to somehow in 7 years be in a draft, I would do it proudly. Although I doubt this will be going on that long, and I doubt there will be a draft.

 

[ASUFan22]

I would be proud too if their was a point to the war besides oil and a personal grudge. There's really no threat that they are trying to get rid of.

 

[SirLaker]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Mar 3 2007, 09:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I would be proud too if their was a point to the war besides oil and a personal grudge. There's really no threat that they are trying to get rid of.</div>Yeah, I guess 9/11 really showed us that there is no threat.

 

[ASUFan22]

They made 1 well planned attack yeah, and wasn't it supposed to be Osama and people in Afghanistan who set this up, then suddenly we find ourselves in Iraq going after Hussein and trying to set up their government and then moving on to Iran now too?

 

[SirLaker]

So you think getting involved with Iran is a mistake? Iran got involved with us. They have already said they want nuclear weapons and once they get them they will attack the US. Their crazy dictator/terrorist leader said it out in the open. They want to get WMD and bomb Israel along with the US. This is a serious problem...not some unguided plan for nothing. Getting rid of Hussein was a positive move btw.

 

[ASUFan22]

When did they say they were going to attack the US? I must have missed that. If you are talking about Ahmadinejad, he's not a dictator or a guy with great power. He's just a face and like any radical Muslim, just doesn't like the Jews. I don't expect anything from him.

 

[SirLaker]

Well, the US has already warned him. He pretty much blew them off and said he didn't care what the US had to say. This is serious sh*t.

 

[ReppinTheD]

wow lakersfan - you are out of it.Iran is a country that is in a good position domestically - their president is a smart man believe it or not - in his heart he wishes the best for his country because he actually has improved his country. He knows that getting in any war with a super power or even Israel (which is backed by a super power) would be disastrous and just wipe out any positive things Ahmadinejad has done. He has never flat out said once we get Nukes we will bomb the US and Israel - he said that they will not be threatened, and if Israel or the US decides to attack Iran - Iran will respond. (which is the logical thing to do - he's trying to protect his country and people.) Like the US, like Israel, Iran want's to feel safe in a world that's so strung up on nuclear weaponry. Also - about our troops. What on earth have we accomplished - what? We got rid of some terrorists that only adds fuel to the fire and creates more angry terrorists - what good is that? Or how about the civil war that was sparked by the US's presence? There was no such thing as Sunni's fighting against Shiite's - it just never happened. Now, Saddam Hussein has killed a lot of people. Saddam was estimated to have killed in the million range - in TWENTY FIVE years of presidency. In only three years, the United States' presence alone has killed 1/3 that number. Ya - real accomplishment. Not to mention 3000+ troops who were killed in action - troops whose lives could have been saved if it wasnt for the decision making of President Bush. Who else do we blame it on? President bush used September 11th as an unfair excuse. He claimed that he would fight terrorists all over the world. Well down goes Afghanistan - War over, right? No - Bush is on a roll - while he's in the middle east already, lets knock down fu*kin Saddam - my dad's dream fulfilled.F*ck bush - and yes, I blame him for all the chaos that has went down - and I'm not being ignorant cause I know my fair share.

 

[KobeBryant_24]

People on the left side. Stop the bull sh*t. Sadam Hussein is gone. His sons, gone. We are being protected right now thanks to our US troops. They are doing an outstanding job. We have not been attacked since we went in to war. I think we should get out of Iraq because we have done enough but we should continue to stay in countries like Afghanistan and eliminate the Taliban fuckers. Give our troops credit that they so much deserve and stop putting your party and agenda ahead of them so it wins you votes somehow.

 

[ASUFan22]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ReppinTheD @ Mar 3 2007, 10:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>wow lakersfan - you are out of it.Iran is a country that is in a good position domestically - their president is a smart man believe it or not - in his heart he wishes the best for his country because he actually has improved his country. He knows that getting in any war with a super power or even Israel (which is backed by a super power) would be disastrous and just wipe out any positive things Ahmadinejad has done. He has never flat out said once we get Nukes we will bomb the US and Israel - he said that they will not be threatened, and if Israel or the US decides to attack Iran - Iran will respond. (which is the logical thing to do - he's trying to protect his country and people.) Like the US, like Israel, Iran want's to feel safe in a world that's so strung up on nuclear weaponry. Also - about our troops. What on earth have we accomplished - what? We got rid of some terrorists that only adds fuel to the fire and creates more angry terrorists - what good is that? Or how about the civil war that was sparked by the US's presence? There was no such thing as Sunni's fighting against Shiite's - it just never happened. Now, Saddam Hussein has killed a lot of people. Saddam was estimated to have killed in the million range - in TWENTY FIVE years of presidency. In only three years, the United States' presence alone has killed 1/3 that number. Ya - real accomplishment. Not to mention 3000+ troops who were killed in action - troops whose lives could have been saved if it wasnt for the decision making of President Bush. Who else do we blame it on? President bush used September 11th as an unfair excuse. He claimed that he would fight terrorists all over the world. Well down goes Afghanistan - War over, right? No - Bush is on a roll - while he's in the middle east already, lets knock down fu*kin Saddam - my dad's dream fulfilled.F*ck bush - and yes, I blame him for all the chaos that has went down - and I'm not being ignorant cause I know my fair share.</div> :happy0144:

 

[Memphology]

do yall not understand that each branch can check each other...so instead of blaming the president, try blaming the entire government...cause Bush doesn't have anymore power than the Congress does....

 

[redneck]

Iran did publically say that if the US does anything that they take as an act of agression they will strike. for the most part this whole thing with Iran is nothing more than a dick mesuring contest. Iran will not attack the US, and the US likely won't attack Iran.back to the initial question, the US military is and always has been designed to be a conqueroring force, not an occupying force. The US has always had trouble holding onto areas inwhich its occupied. American soldiers are trained to win a war, not the peace. which is what is happening in Iraq, the war is essentially over, its just the peace which the US cannot maintain. for the most part the insurgents are attack the Iraqi people and US troop causalties are just collateral damage.

 

[SirLaker]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ReppinTheD @ Mar 3 2007, 09:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>wow lakersfan - you are out of it.Iran is a country that is in a good position domestically - their president is a smart man believe it or not - in his heart he wishes the best for his country because he actually has improved his country. He knows that getting in any war with a super power or even Israel (which is backed by a super power) would be disastrous and just wipe out any positive things Ahmadinejad has done. He has never flat out said once we get Nukes we will bomb the US and Israel - he said that they will not be threatened, and if Israel or the US decides to attack Iran - Iran will respond. (which is the logical thing to do - he's trying to protect his country and people.) Like the US, like Israel, Iran want's to feel safe in a world that's so strung up on nuclear weaponry. Also - about our troops. What on earth have we accomplished - what? We got rid of some terrorists that only adds fuel to the fire and creates more angry terrorists - what good is that? Or how about the civil war that was sparked by the US's presence? There was no such thing as Sunni's fighting against Shiite's - it just never happened. Now, Saddam Hussein has killed a lot of people. Saddam was estimated to have killed in the million range - in TWENTY FIVE years of presidency. In only three years, the United States' presence alone has killed 1/3 that number. Ya - real accomplishment. Not to mention 3000+ troops who were killed in action - troops whose lives could have been saved if it wasnt for the decision making of President Bush. Who else do we blame it on? President bush used September 11th as an unfair excuse. He claimed that he would fight terrorists all over the world. Well down goes Afghanistan - War over, right? No - Bush is on a roll - while he's in the middle east already, lets knock down fu*kin Saddam - my dad's dream fulfilled.F*ck bush - and yes, I blame him for all the chaos that has went down - and I'm not being ignorant cause I know my fair share.</div>I'm not even going to seriously acknowlege your post...you are someone who actually believes that Iran wants nuclear energy but not for weapons.EDIT: The Iranian leader is a lunatic..how the hell can you compliment the man by saying that he is a smart man and wants best for his country and then you go and blame everything on Bush. Wow.

 

[ASUFan22]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ Mar 3 2007, 11:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm not even going to seriously acknowlege your post...you are someone who actually believes that Iran wants nuclear energy but not for weapons.</div>That is one of the reasons they want it. No one besides them really knows. People who live there or are from there believe that and that's what they are doing and so do I. And people here who have an overly bad image of the Middle East think that they are making bombs. They deserve to be able to use nuclear energy like any other country. Even if they get nukes they wouldn't attack the US because the US could destroy the country pretty easily and we also have plenty of allies. Iran won't ever have the resources to have a serious attack against us.He is a smart man, and he does want to help the country. He has done some good things for them. For poor people and attempted to improve women's rights(small scale). He doesn't really have all that much power either. The Iranian president doesn't have the power, the other leader does...Ahmadinejad is mostly a face and a funny character on talk shows.

 

[KobeBryant_24]

You know what I am not going to sit here and read how the democrats don't think our troops are doing there best job. Maybe we should bring the troops home and let the fuckers attack America and then decide if we should be fighting terror or not. My god this makes me sick.

 

[redneck]

Iran wants fusion power for weapons purposes only. It would be a lot cheaper and provide them a lot more energy if they went with coal or oil power. Ahmadajine(sp?) is a very intelligent man, but he is a radicle, and thats why the world should worry.