Question about lebron...

[Schilly]

Because he signed as a FA and it was not a S&T , the cavaliers do not have Bird Rights to him do they? Meaning they cant go over the cap to re-sign him....

 

[BlazerWookee]

The answer is yes, he's a dildo.

 

[magnifier661]

Because he signed as a FA and it was not a S&T , the cavaliers do not have Bird Rights to him do they? Meaning they cant go over the cap to re-sign him....

Yep. If he opts out, Cavs are screwed

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Yep. If he opts out, Cavs are screwed

How so? LeBron may opt out but he would just resign with them again (maybe for only 1 year again even). He doesn't care about the money anymore as much as who they put around him. He could sign a 1 year deal every summer for the next 5 years and that doesn't mean he is leaving CLE. The dude makes enough in endorsements to sign for a dollar if he wanted to.

 

[Scalma]

If anyone can convince lebron to leave Cleveland again it's olshey.

 

[BrianFromWA]

If anyone can convince lebron to leave Cleveland again it's olshey.

or Pat Riley.

 

[Scalma]

I mentioned last offseason how olshey has known lebron since before he got in the nba and then of course there's the whole nike thing. It was a dream last year and I guess I'm about to get suckered in again!

 

[Schilly]

I think they have enough cap-space that it won't matter, but... Cleveland could be in a world of hurt, they have $33 mil in guaranteed, plus cap holds for Smith, Shumpert and Thompson, If I am doing my math right they are at 67 million without a cap hold for Love.

 

[magnifier661]

How so? LeBron may opt out but he would just resign with them again (maybe for only 1 year again even). He doesn't care about the money anymore as much as who they put around him. He could sign a 1 year deal every summer for the next 5 years and that doesn't mean he is leaving CLE.

What did he just make? You saying he will sign for MLE? Of course he can resign with them, but it takes away flexibility to Cleveland to sign free agents

 

[BlazerWookee]

If anyone can convince lebron to leave Cleveland again it's olshey.

God forbid...

 

[Schilly]

Only Wookie wouldnt want the best player on the planet in a Blazer uniform.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

What did he just make? You saying he will sign for MLE? Of course he can resign with them, but it takes away flexibility to Cleveland to sign free agents

I don't think he would take MLE money personally but he could easily. How does it take away from them signing free agents. They are only looking at signing there own guys (Thompson who is restricted and Love who is unrestricted) and adding a new vet minimum guy. He made 20 MIL last year. If he opts in he gets 21 MIL. If he opts out then he will probably sign for 16-21 MIL on another 2 year deal with 1 year option. It is a wash as far as cap space goes.

 

[Schilly]

I don't think he would take MLE money personally but he could easily. How does it take away from them signing free agents. They are only looking at signing there own guys (Thompson who is restricted and Love who is unrestricted) and adding a new vet minimum guy. He made 20 MIL last year. If he opts in he gets 21 MIL. If he opts out then he will probably sign for 16-21 MIL on another 2 year deal with 1 year option. It is a wash as far as cap space goes.

Except they can't go over the cap to sign him. He also said last year that he won't take less than max for the forseeable future.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Except they can't go over the cap to sign him. He also said last year that he won't take less than max for the forseeable future.

They won't have to go over the cap to sign him even at 20 MIL cus Love likely bolts imo. I don't think they have a realistic shot of convincing him to come back. You think LeBron is leaving CLE then if he opts out?

 

[blue9]

Am I missing something? Did LBJ opt out? (God ESPN's new format is fucking terrible...now I remember why I stopped checking it.)

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Am I missing something? Did LBJ opt out? (God ESPN's new format is fucking terrible...now I remember why I stopped checking it.)

Not officially. Reports are he is 50/50. Hasn't decided. I don't think he will this year personally but if he does that doesn't mean he is leaving.

 

[magnifier661]

I don't think he would take MLE money personally but he could easily. How does it take away from them signing free agents. They are only looking at signing there own guys (Thompson who is restricted and Love who is unrestricted) and adding a new vet minimum guy. He made 20 MIL last year. If he opts in he gets 21 MIL. If he opts out then he will probably sign for 16-21 MIL on another 2 year deal with 1 year option. It is a wash as far as cap space goes.

When you start hitting cap, then you cannot make any new moves. That means Cleveland would need to make all the moves necessary, even resigning their own players, and leave room for max for LBJ

 

[Schilly]

I guess the thing is they can't keep both if they both out out.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

When you start hitting cap, then you cannot make any new moves. That means Cleveland would need to make all the moves necessary, even resigning their own players, and leave room for max for LBJ

I don't think LeBron is opting out first of all. But if he does then the only signing they have to do is wait to sign Tristan Thompson to a new contract (his cap hold during the summer is low compared to what he is going to get from them) after LeBron re-ups with them. Remember Love's 15 MIL is coming off their cap.

 

[Boise Blazer]

It will probably never happen but I would be really curious to see the reaction if one day a superstar took the MLE or something crazy for the sake of team. Would would the backlash be? Are there rules on that? Would that force the league to make rules regarding that?

 

[KeepOnRollin]

I guess the thing is they can't keep both if they both out out.

Both as in Love and LeBron? That is true. But I don't think they even want Love back at what it would cost them. I do think they are begging LeBron not to opt out tho. That helps them the most.

 

[Schilly]

So would Kyrie and scrubs be all that appealing to stay?

 

[Scalma]

http://www.csnwashington.com/basket.../talk/report-lebron-james-opting-out-contract

Remember, it's just the media reporting this. Lol

 

[Scalma]

So would Kyrie and scrubs be all that appealing to stay?

Imagine olshey selling lebron on a Lillard-LA-Legend-Lebron squad.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

So would Kyrie and scrubs be all that appealing to stay?

For LeBron? He isn't leaving that city again period. He is retiring there. I think they think higher of Tristan Thompson than Love so they don't see him as a scrub at all. Love didn't even play most of the playoffs and they were 2 wins away from a title. Add one more vet guy that LeBron likes (mabye Mo Williams) and ya I think that can get it done in the East at least.

 

[Scalma]

For LeBron? He isn't leaving that city again period. He is retiring there. I think they think higher of Tristan Thompson than Love so they don't see him as a scrub at all. Love didn't even play most of the playoffs and they were 2 wins away from a title. Add one more vet guy that LeBron likes (mabye Mo Williams) and ya I think that can get it done in the East at least.

He left once, he could do it again.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

He left once, he could do it again.

Him leaving once is exactly the reason he won't again actually.

 

[Schilly]

They would have to re-sign Thompson and any other of their own FAs for a combined total of less than $12 mil to be able to give max to LeBron.

 

[magnifier661]

I don't think LeBron is opting out first of all. But if he does then the only signing they have to do is wait to sign Tristan Thompson to a new contract (his cap hold during the summer is low compared to what he is going to get from them) after LeBron re-ups with them. Remember Love's 15 MIL is coming off their cap.

I'm not living the pipe dream that we can obtain him, but LBJ opting out would absolutely fuck the Cavs. So Love opts out... Cleveland can still resign him because they have his bird rights. If LBJ also opts out, then they can't sign both. It's that simple.

I personally think LBJ will retire a Cav because he's already won his rings and wants to repair what was broken. Opting out would mean I was wrong about him and he doesn't want to stay in Cleveland.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

I'm not living the pipe dream that we can obtain him, but LBJ opting out would absolutely fuck the Cavs. So Love opts out... Cleveland can still resign him because they have his bird rights. If LBJ also opts out, then they can't sign both. It's that simple.

I personally think LBJ will retire a Cav because he's already won his rings and wants to repair what was broken. Opting out would mean I was wrong about him and he doesn't want to stay in Cleveland.

I don't even think they want Love back personally (and I think the feeling is mutual as well). They would rather spend the money on Tristan Thompson imo. Opting out does not mean he doesn't want to stay though. IF he does opt out then you will see that he still stays.