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If a two year old child dies in a car accident, does this child go to heaven?

If so, why?
 
Nate4Prez said:
If a two year old child dies in a car accident, does this child go to heaven?

If so, why?
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I was taught that until i child knows the difference between right or wrong (say age 7-10), the child is saved by grace and has no sin, therefore going to heaven
 
TripTango said:
Which Christians? Different denominations have different beliefs on this question.
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I would love to hear the difference. I was raised Catholic til I was 13, then moved to a non-denominational church, then I dated a Mormon girl for a while (which I think would have the strangest answer to this question). I generally have a belief in God, but have a heard time accepting any one religion's doctrine.
 
Blazer Prophet: These slides say "God specifically exempted from judgment those who 'have no knowledge of good or evil.' These people would inherit the promised land and would not be judged." It goes on to say, "knowing neither good nor evil they are incapable of committing sins, and die secure in the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ." There is also a quote from John Newton, "I hope you are both well reconciled to the death of your child. I cannot be sorry for the death of infants. How many storms do they escape!"

Like I said before I was raised Catholic til I was 13. I used to have night terrors (occasionally still have them, about twice a year) of the end of the world. The things around me would burn to the ground, the rapture would come, and I would be left behind. I have dreams of the moon crashing into the earth and or everything being sucked into a black hole. I wake up in fear, and it just makes me so angry. Sometimes I wish I died as an infant, that way if Heaven does exist I would be sure to get in.
 
BLAZER PROPHET said:
Make the Bible your source of authority.
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Which one of the many versions? :dunno:

And who's personally biased interpretation of which version? :confused:

There is no afterlife, and there is no superbeing keeping score. :devilwink:

Live your life by the incredibly simple and sensible Golden Rule, and you will experience heaven on earth right now! :cheers:

If a 2 year old dies in a car accident, he's done. :sigh:
 
Nate4Prez said:
Like I said before I was raised Catholic til I was 13. I used to have night terrors (occasionally still have them, about twice a year) of the end of the world. The things around me would burn to the ground, the rapture would come, and I would be left behind. I have dreams of the moon crashing into the earth and or everything being sucked into a black hole. I wake up in fear, and it just makes me so angry. Sometimes I wish I died as an infant, that way if Heaven does exist I would be sure to get in.
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Very interesting dreams. Personally, I place no stock in dreams, per se, but perhaps it was God drawing you near to Him. And in that drawing near you will find comfort.
 
ok...what about someone who grows up in a jungle somewhere and never hears about jesus? do they go to heaven?
 
BLAZER PROPHET said:
Very interesting dreams. Personally, I place no stock in dreams, per se, but perhaps it was God drawing you near to Him. And in that drawing near you will find comfort.
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Yup. Kind of like if you tell your kid you will burn down the house and leave him in the street, it'll make him cry, and he'll probably come running for comfort.
 
This is a bigger question than a couple of sentences on a message board. There are a lot of differences between the Christian denominations, generally coming down to a conflict over Reformed vs. Arminian theology. Most Christians accept that the Bible teaches that all humans have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23), but some don't take it the to extent that Psalm 51:5 does that even from the womb humans are estranged from God (Original Sin). There isn't an explicit biblical mandate (that I know of) that talks about an "age of awareness", or anything.

Personally, I'm generally comforted by the doctrine of the Sovereignty of God, and of Predestination/Calling/Santification/Glorification from Romans 8:28-32. There's no way to know as humans what God's knowledge of the child is (whether they were saved or not). I'll try to tackle it tonight.
 
drexlersdad said:
ok...what about someone who grows up in a jungle somewhere and never hears about jesus? do they go to heaven?
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Romans 1:19-20 talks about this issue. The apostle Paul writes to the Roman churches that:
what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
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Commentary I've heard about this (Note: NOT Biblical truth, but an opinion about it) is that even cavedwellers or jungle tribesmen who've never heard about Jesus recognize that there's something that's created the sun/stars/trees/etc. because God has made it known to them.
 
So imagine you know some atheists who have a child. The child has cancer. He is only 3, but will be dead by 8. You have no access to the child to try to teach him Christianity.

Is it morally justifiable for you to try to kill the child before it's old enough to know right and wrong? After all, the kid will die anyway. The difference is that if he dies at the age of 8 and knows right and wrong, he'll live in eternal damnation for being an atheist. If he dies at 3, he'll live forever in heaven.
 
BrianFromWA said:
Commentary I've heard about this (Note: NOT Biblical truth, but an opinion about it) is that even cavedwellers or jungle tribesmen who've never heard about Jesus recognize that there's something that's created the sun/stars/trees/etc. because God has made it known to them.
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So by that reasoning, any deist goes to heaven?
 
A Mohamed Atta born in Egypt, studied in Germany, he never had the opportunity to study the bible. All he was taught was the Muslim religion, he never was informed of Good or Evil, and all his actions were based on something he believed in, just like most Christians. He Hijacks a plane and fly's it into the World Trade Center. He, just like an infant, never understand the Christian teachings, never had the chance to repent for he did not now what he was doing was Evil.

Is he different then the infant? Does he go to heaven?
 
The other question that I have has always bothered me. My grandfather worked his whole life to provide for his 10 kids. He raised them in a Catholic church, and is generally someone I considered to be a great example for any person. If given the choice between living and working hard for my family, or dieing for them, dieing for them would be easier. That being said:

Who here wouldn't die for their child? Who here wouldn't die for their family? Who here wouldn't sacrifice their life for the rest of the world? I would do any of these things.

So, I am to accept that Jesus Christ dieing on the cross is his great sacrifice. And that because of this great sacrifice I am to worship him? I just don't think it's that great.
 
mook said:
Yup. Kind of like if you tell your kid you will burn down the house and leave him in the street, it'll make him cry, and he'll probably come running for comfort.
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That's how I feel. Like my parents, and grandparents instilled a fear in me that makes no logical sense. But I still can't shake it.
 
mook said:
So imagine you know some atheists who have a child. The child has cancer. He is only 3, but will be dead by 8. You have no access to the child to try to teach him Christianity.

Is it morally justifiable for you to try to kill the child before it's old enough to know right and wrong? After all, the kid will die anyway. The difference is that if he dies at the age of 8 and knows right and wrong, he'll live in eternal damnation for being an atheist. If he dies at 3, he'll live forever in heaven.
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Knowing that all infants go to heaven when they die, it makes me want to kill my child (or not have one), to make sure they don't have a chance to go to hell.
 
drexlersdad said:
ok...what about someone who grows up in a jungle somewhere and never hears about jesus? do they go to heaven?
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That's a good question.

The short answer is that I do not know.

However, the Bible states that men know God thru His creation. That leads me to think that there is some way of salvation for people who never hear abouot Christ.
 
Nate4Prez said:
The other question that I have has always bothered me. My grandfather worked his whole life to provide for his 10 kids. He raised them in a Catholic church, and is generally someone I considered to be a great example for any person. If given the choice between living and working hard for my family, or dieing for them, dieing for them would be easier. That being said:

Who here wouldn't die for their child? Who here wouldn't die for their family? Who here wouldn't sacrifice their life for the rest of the world? I would do any of these things.

So, I am to accept that Jesus Christ dieing on the cross is his great sacrifice. And that because of this great sacrifice I am to worship him? I just don't think it's that great.
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A few thoughts.

Man chose to rebel against their creator. To that end, God "gave us over to our own depravities". Therefore, man & God were permanently separated. However, God in his mercy sent His son to die for the sins of all mankind so that we have complete freedom to choose eternal life or otherwise. Not that Christains are sinless or that life isn't tough for all of us, but that we now have an advocate who loves us and cares for us. We have promises in the Bible that we can depend on as well as the hope of eternity with God.
 
drexlersdad said:
ok...what about someone who grows up in a jungle somewhere and never hears about jesus? do they go to heaven?
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If you read the Gnostic Gospels and other material left out or removed from the bible, you can argue a case for reincarnation.:confused:
 
Nate4Prez said:
A Mohamed Atta born in Egypt, studied in Germany, he never had the opportunity to study the bible. All he was taught was the Muslim religion, he never was informed of Good or Evil, and all his actions were based on something he believed in, just like most Christians. He Hijacks a plane and fly's it into the World Trade Center. He, just like an infant, never understand the Christian teachings, never had the chance to repent for he did not now what he was doing was Evil.

Is he different then the infant? Does he go to heaven?
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Bad karma dude, no virgins for you.
 
BrianFromWA said:
Romans 1:19-20 talks about this issue. The apostle Paul writes to the Roman churches that:


Commentary I've heard about this (Note: NOT Biblical truth, but an opinion about it) is that even cavedwellers or jungle tribesmen who've never heard about Jesus recognize that there's something that's created the sun/stars/trees/etc. because God has made it known to them.
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i agree that it is human nature to believe in a god/gods, but dont christians believe you have to believe in jesus to get in?
 
I have some friends from Sweet Home, Oregon and their church is very fundamentalist. I mean, he was still standing in the corner at age 15 for watching non-Christian TV shows.

Anyway, they told me that even if you're mentally handicap and "unable" to accept Jesus you are going to hell for all of eternity. This goes for the young as well.
 
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