R.Felton vs A.Miller

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I know its only been 5 games, but I am really impressed with Felton. He's a bigger improvement over Andre then I thought he'd be. He pushes the tempo, plays tough D, and already has more of a bond with his teammates than Andre did after 2 seasons. Props to Chad Buchanon, Larry Miller, and Nate on the trade.
 
Easy now. I'm certainly warming to him, and he's undoubtedly more of a fun guy to be around than Dre, but Dre will almost certainly remain the better player. Hell, Dre can play uptempo AND he's got a three point shot now.

But yes, after last game, Felton is becoming one of my favorites. You know, like Alvin Williams, Robert Pack and Viktor Khryapa!
 
I am quickly realizing that Felton is a love/hate. At times Im like, "Fuck what the hell was that???" and then other times its like, "Holy shit, that was awesome!" He doesnt seem to be one of those players that just disappears on the floor. Good and bad.
 
I think its so nice not to have Rudy out there missing threes, playing terrible defense, and making awful choices! So many were upset we traded him.

Its nice having a PG who can make a 3.
 
I am quickly realizing that Felton is a love/hate. At times Im like, "Fuck what the hell was that???" and then other times its like, "Holy shit, that was awesome!" He doesnt seem to be one of those players that just disappears on the floor. Good and bad.

Yeah he always seems like he is about to get the ball poked away when he is driving to the basket. But for the most part he controls it. Needless to say when he keeps his turn overs down we play well since he is always attacking.
 
Yeah he always seems like he is about to get the ball poked away when he is driving to the basket. But for the most part he controls it. Needless to say when he keeps his turn overs down we play well since he is always attacking.

He is like that super talented 7th grade PG who looks awesome but always looks slightly out of control and could turn it over at any moment. Ok, that may be a little harsh and extreme but that is the first thing comes to mind when he is dribbling in the lane.
 
I don't see a big improvement, myself. Miller could post guys up, which Felton cannot, and Miller also played tough D. I like Felton, but I just don't see him as a huge upgrade over Miller.

Also, can Felton throw a better lob pass than Miller? I don't think so.
 
The biggest difference to me is Ray's ability to collapse a defense with his dribble penetration. Miller, while maybe able to do it, was reluctant. He wanted to turn his back and post his defender up, where as Felton is constantly getting his defender back on his feet. First rule of a succesful offense is to collapse the defense and put the pressure on them.

...Now, Felton must work on the turnovers. Taking care of the ball was what Miller did better then anyone.
 
With Portland having only one player you must double team to contain (Aldridge) - Felton's outside shot is a big upgrade - it is much harder to cheat off him than it was off Miller. You need multiple guys that require a double team to afford a PG that does not stretch the defense (as Boston had with Rondo when the big 3 were a bit younger).
 
I don't see a big improvement, myself. Miller could post guys up, which Felton cannot, .

We are playing uptempo now. A PG who always wants to post up or back down his defender kills the tempo.
 
I don't see a big improvement, myself. Miller could post guys up, which Felton cannot, and Miller also played tough D. I like Felton, but I just don't see him as a huge upgrade over Miller.

Also, can Felton throw a better lob pass than Miller? I don't think so.

He did? When did that happen? Russell Westbrook used to run circles around 'Dre. It was refreshing seeing Westbrook get caught up trying to beat Felton one-on-one instead of just abusing poor 'Dre.
 
Felton has played kind of crappy IMO. He is shooting 19% 3PT! I'm hopeful he improves and I overall love the way the team is playing but PG looks like our biggest weakness right now. Felton needs to stop eating those damn cupcakes. Seriously to be an active NBA player and carry around 20lbs of FAT he must be pigging out at Taco Bell with XXL chalupas after every game and twice on off days or something.
 
Felton has done a lot of good things but I'd be happier if he could learn to dribble
the ball less than 5 ft off the floor, which is why he is losing it in traffic.
 
The biggest difference to me is Ray's ability to collapse a defense with his dribble penetration. Miller, while maybe able to do it, was reluctant. He wanted to turn his back and post his defender up, where as Felton is constantly getting his defender back on his feet. First rule of a succesful offense is to collapse the defense and put the pressure on them.

...Now, Felton must work on the turnovers. Taking care of the ball was what Miller did better then anyone.

Spot On. Felton looked pretty good against a tough defender in Westbrook last night though.
 
Two very different point guards. As we have seen Felton can collapse the D which makes for a lot more open shots while Miller had trouble collapsing D's but could take a player into the post and post him up, have yet to really see Felton do anything like that. Felton makes teams pay for doubling LMA more then Miller could because of the 3 point shot. Felton is faster and while not as crafty on D he is able to handle faster point guards were Miller would have problems if he couldn't pick there pocket on there way up. Miller is a better passer especially with the lob but we never played fast with him so the open looks a point guard can create off a fast break weren't there for Miller while they are there for Felton. Miller turned the ball over less, Felton can and will turn the ball over a lot because of what he tries to do with his speed.
Just a few comparisons i'v drawn over the first 5 games.
 
The biggest differences I like most is Felton's shot from the perimeter and his ability to guard quick PGs. He isn't stellar at either one, but better than Miller, IMO. I loved Miller on the Blazers just like I will love Felton too. Different animals on the court.
 

That's a great piece:
Aldridge reserves his most generous praise for former Portland point guard Andre Miller.
When Aldridge would encounter impossible situations on the floor, Miller would address him during a timeout with specific directions out of the bog.
"He not only knows where to find you, he’ll tell you where to go," Aldridge said.
Miller doesn't like to talk, which Aldridge said made those instructions even more consequential. If Miller felt strongly enough to offer advice, it was for a reason.
"Teams are fronting me or double-teaming me…he was like, ‘Don’t fight it. Just go to the rim, I’ll find you,’" Aldridge said. "And I was like, ‘I can’t even see you,’ And he said, ‘Just go to the rim. I’ll throw it there.’"
That little bit of advice helped Aldridge perfect his crafty spin move to the rim, where he catches a lob, then throws it down.
"There was a game at home -- I think against Orlando. I was getting double-teamed on the catch and I had, like, zero shots going into the second quarter. Andre said, ‘This time don’t even fight. Just go to the rim.’ So I slipped to the rim and ..."
Aldridge had a big smile on his face as he punctuated the sequence. He then shook his head.
"It’s crazy playing with [Miller]," Aldridge said.
Early on, Aldridge has been pleased with Felton, Miller's replacement -- particularly in pick-and-roll play. But Aldridge recognizes that it will take some time before the two cultivate the kind of chemistry he had with Miller.
When told that Miller consistently ranks at the top of the list of guards who rack up quality assists and improve the field goal percentage of his teammates, Aldridge wasn't the least bit surprised. These are rarified stats that don't pop up in box scores -- very few casual observers know this stuff. Most players probably don't even know it.
“But the big knows it!" Aldridge said. "I know it!”
 
He's 4-10 in 6 games from 3. He'll be back to his usual 20% within no time at all.

Maybe. But I actually doubt it. Three point shot is one of the few things that older guards can improve dramatically - see Kidd, Jason.
 
He did? When did that happen? Russell Westbrook used to run circles around 'Dre. It was refreshing seeing Westbrook get caught up trying to beat Felton one-on-one instead of just abusing poor 'Dre.

Wow, we agree about something regarding Miller!

Felton is playing better man defense than Miller ever did. Miller would come up with some savvy veteran steals once in awhile, but Felton actually stays in front of his man, for the most part.
 
:dunno: Depends on what you think is more important.

Felton is a better defender. Some nights, he is a better shooter - but not consistently. In terms of playmaking/decision making, Miller wins hands down.
 
:dunno: Depends on what you think is more important.

Felton is a better defender. Some nights, he is a better shooter - but not consistently. In terms of playmaking/decision making, Miller wins hands down.

This.
 
He's 4-10 in 6 games from 3. He'll be back to his usual 20% within no time at all.

You do know Felton is shooting 19% from three right? I'm hoping he goes back to his usual 30% self...

BTW, that Aldridge article is great. I miss Andre. :(
 
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I'm happy with Felton. He fits this team like a glove. Those transition lay-ins from end to end last night were nice.
 
I'm happy with Felton. He fits this team like a glove. Those transition lay-ins from end to end last night were nice.

And he's not gonna keep blowing those easy lay-ups he was doing the first 4 games. Once that happens, then he becomes that much deadlier.
 
And he's not gonna keep blowing those easy lay-ups he was doing the first 4 games. Once that happens, then he becomes that much deadlier.

You would think, but I wouldn't call it a guarantee. He sorta looks like the Felton I remember from his first 3 or 4 years in the league, but there's hope.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/player/hollinger/_/id/2753/raymond-felton
Perhaps most shocking of all, he converted a solid 58.1 percent of his shots in the basket area. Finishing had been a notorious weakness of Felton's, but this is his second straight season in the high 50s, so one has to think he's licked the problem.
 

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