Racial chitstorm part II, the Mark Cuban edition

[Mediocre Man]

Someone can find a link if they choose to, but basically he said all of us, including him, have our bigotry. He said if he is walking and sees a black man walking down the street in a hoodie, he crosses the street, the same way he does if he saw a white guy that was tatted all over his body and face.

This isn't nearly the same as Sterling, but this will get a lot of attention in the coming days.

I get what he is saying as I have said the same things in here. My neighbor, who is black, and I were talking about this this morning. He asked why I felt this way and I told him it probably stemmed from the whole "better safe than sorry" mantra my parents taught me as a youth. I asked him if he would feel uncomfortable if 2-3 white guys with shaved heads, suspenders and black boots were walking towards him at night. Or if he would let his daughter take candy from an elderly man he didn't know on the way home from school. He saw my point, but I digress.

Cuban will undoubtedly get some sort of huge fine for this.

 

[julius]

Re: Racial shitstorm part II, the Mark Cuban edition

This really isn't much of a outrageous comment. People do make judgment calls based on how a person looks, that's not exactly news.

 

[illmatic99]

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I understand speaking your mind, but there comes a time when people need to realize it's better if they just STFU. We all harbor sentiments that can be considered racial or propagating stereotypes, but this is horrible timing.

 

[Mediocre Man]

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I agree with both of you.

I think ESPN is trying to make something out of this it isn't

 

[PtldPlatypus]

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http://www.inc.com/maria-aspan/mark-cuban-discusses-bigotry-post-donald-sterling-fiasco.html

Interesting how the clip starts: "This country has come a long way putting any type of bigotry behind us...and with that progress comes a price. We're a lot less tolerant of different views."

I agree with him--the intolerance of the "tolerance" crowd has become a big problem.

 

[julius]

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I agree with both of you.

I think ESPN is trying to make something out of this it isn't

That's ESPN for you. They're almost the TMZ of sports now. Some good stories, but a lot of noise.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

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The pendulums swings, but takes a long time. In the post-war 20's and 30's, socialism, real socialism (not pretend Obama is a Socialist socialism) was gaining traction, but now it's so far the other way that it feels like that was never in the cards.

The pendulum was here just 50 years ago:

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...and now it has swung, just like the difference between 1935 and 1985 in politics.

So don't worry, people who think Whole Foods White Folk are taking being an ally too far for your tastes... in 50 more years, we might be back to casual racism and socialism again...

 

[Schilly]

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I'm not sure those examples count as bigotry, profiling by appearance yes. Socially both of those "fashions" are intimidating and as such a lot of people who present themselves that way are trying to give the impression that you don't want to mess with them.

I deal with that a bit. I have pretty significant amount of visible tattooing on my arms, I'm also a fairly big guy at 6'1" 210lbs, and I have a beard. In Portland I fit right in, but hit the burbs where I live and I definitely get the feeling that people are intimidated, especially elderly people.

But is that bigotry?

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

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It all depends on what part of town you're in.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

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I'm not sure those examples count as bigotry, profiling by appearance yes. Socially both of those "fashions" are intimidating and as such a lot of people who present themselves that way are trying to give the impression that you don't want to mess with them.

I deal with that a bit. I have pretty significant amount of visible tattooing on my arms, I'm also a fairly big guy at 6'1" 210lbs, and I have a beard. In Portland I fit right in, but hit the burbs where I live and I definitely get the feeling that people are intimidated, especially elderly people.

But is that bigotry?

No, it's prejudice, and they're two vastly different things. However, society as a whole has essentially conflated the two, so that if someone is guilty of one, he/she is presumably guilty of the other as well.

 

[Denny Crane]

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Non issue.

What he said was racial, like "black players jump higher." It wasn't racist, like "I don't want to associate with Magic Johnson because of his skin color."

 

[PtldPlatypus]

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What he said was racial, like "black players jump higher."

 

[Cryptkeeper]

Someone can find a link if they choose to, but basically he said all of us, including him, have our bigotry. He said if he is walking and sees a black man walking down the street in a hoodie, he crosses the street, the same way he does if he saw a white guy that was tatted all over his body and face.

This isn't nearly the same as Sterling, but this will get a lot of attention in the coming days.

I get what he is saying as I have said the same things in here. My neighbor, who is black, and I were talking about this this morning. He asked why I felt this way and I told him it probably stemmed from the whole "better safe than sorry" mantra my parents taught me as a youth. I asked him if he would feel uncomfortable if 2-3 white guys with shaved heads, suspenders and black boots were walking towards him at night. Or if he would let his daughter take candy from an elderly man he didn't know on the way home from school. He saw my point, but I digress.

Cuban will undoubtedly get some sort of huge fine for this.

You spelled 'shitstorm' wrong in the thread title. :MARIS61:

 

[Cryptkeeper]

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Non issue.

What he said was racial, like "black players jump higher." It wasn't racist, like "I don't want to associate with Magic Johnson because of his skin color."

Did Sterling actually say that?

Edit: I mean i know that's probably what he meant, but did he actually say it like that?

 

[Mediocre Man]

You spelled 'shitstorm' wrong in the thread title. :MARIS61:

Thanks as always for your contribution

 

[Cryptkeeper]

Thanks as always for your contribution

Yer whelcom

 

[PtldPlatypus]

You spelled 'shitstorm' wrong in the thread title. :MARIS61:

OFFICIAL BLAZERS FORUM! Can't have swear words in thread titles

 

[Mediocre Man]

Yer whelcom

Pardon me, I didnt see how young you were. Carry on with your pissing match. Your dick is bigger, there you go.

 

[Cryptkeeper]

Pardon me, I didnt see how young you were. Carry on with your pissing match. Your dick is bigger, there you go.

what...

Where are you taking this conversation

 

[PtldPlatypus]

To get back to the topic at hand:

Another thing that's interesting at the end of the interview clip was where he was talking about dealing with bigotry or insensitivity in regard to his employees. "It does society no good for me to kick the problem down the road." I think he's going right at Sterling with those comments.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

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I understand speaking your mind, but there comes a time when people need to realize it's better if they just STFU. We all harbor sentiments that can be considered racial or propagating stereotypes, but this is horrible timing.

We live in a world now that we can't even say the honest truth without being punished.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Sterling needs to take the Mavs away from Cuban and give them to me. A dog owning the Mavs would mean the NBA is not just racially diverse but also species diverse.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Sterling needs to take the Mavs away from Cuban and give them to me. A dog owning the Mavs would mean the NBA is not just racially diverse but also species diverse.

Can't do that. You'll be banning, errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, suspending the whole team.

 

[blue32]

I see a black guy 'thugged out' I stay vigilant.
I see a white guy 'thugged out' I stay vigilant.
I see a brown guy 'thugged out' I stay vigilant.

Now, each of those guys above have different versions of being 'thugged out' depending on their racial/environmental culture. It's the way it is.

Each one of those guys above could be 100% good or 100% bad. You never know. However, the overall chance of them being harmful/bad/criminal is greater due to the fact that they fit a predisposed profile of committing violence/crime. Profiles that come from media, entertainment avenues and real world statistics.

Does it make me a racist or prejudice to avoid any one of those guys? Or just aware of my surroundings by removing oneself from a potentially bad situation?

 

[Cryptkeeper]

Can't do that. You'll be banning, errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, suspending the whole team.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to BLAZER PROPHET again.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

MM be like, "BUT I'm not a racist - I have a black neighbor!"

:MARIS61:

 

[Mediocre Man]

MM be like, "BUT I'm not a racist - I have a black neighbor!"

:MARIS61:

Not my fault my neighbor is black. I live in Texas, there are a lot of black people here

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Not my fault my neighbor is black. I live in Texas, there are a lot of black people here

Not black, just well done.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Not black, just well done.

He and his wife joke that they are "dark meat....you know, the good part of the turkey". LOL

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Not my fault my neighbor is black. I live in Texas, there are a lot of black people here

It was a joke, son.