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TBpup said:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...porary_ban_on_newcomers_from_terrorist_havens

If I watch the local or national news, I would have thought 90+% were against the temporary ban until better vetting can be established. Rasmussen's latest poll shows only 33% are against the ban.

Did most of the media get it wrong....again? Where is a news source that is actually at least a little bit objective?
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Show me a media source giving estimates of what % of the population is against it. All they're doing is showing the massive protests. You know, like people showing Trump's rallies during the campaign.

The people who ARE against it are business leaders, which is probably more influential on politicians than the people at large. But no doubt Trump can be heartened by that poll that his deplorables are out there and have his back.
 
Also, I like the title of that link "newcomers from Terrorist Havens". Yeah, that's not a leading question, is it?
 
As usual, reality is not what twitter and twitterers are all about.

1*Do you favor or oppose a temporary ban on refugees from Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen until the federal government improves its ability to screen out potential terrorists from coming here?

2*Do you favor or oppose a temporary block on visas prohibiting residents of Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen from entering the United States until the federal government improves its ability to screen out potential terrorists from coming here?
 
Denny Crane said:
As usual, reality is not what twitter and twitterers are all about.

1*Do you favor or oppose a temporary ban on refugees from Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen until the federal government improves its ability to screen out potential terrorists from coming here?

2*Do you favor or oppose a temporary block on visas prohibiting residents of Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen from entering the United States until the federal government improves its ability to screen out potential terrorists from coming here?
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I would suggest that both those questions imply both that the current standards need improving and can reasonably be improved as methods of screening out potential terrorists. But as there have been zero terrorist acts committed in the US by people from those regions, that is a false assumption. I would be interested in the response rate without the "until" clauses.

Now, I'm prepared to be depressed by the results. I don't have much faith in the goodness of heart of the US population at large after the last election, but I think it would be a less leading question.
 
A different poll would simply ask "do you approve of DT's executive order [describe the EO]?"
Also: "would it affect your view if (as is the case) a majority of security experts say that it will not improve matters and in fact has a good chance of making things worse?" I suspect a sizeable % of Trump's base would still approve of it.
 
The 99% who oppose and are on the march surely know what the E.O. says.

It says what the questions ask. Read it.
 
How about, "are you willing to shake things up to put an end to the never ending war on terror?

Or, would you prefer to bomb even more countries?
 
since 9/11 twenty six people have died from Muslim terrorists acts on US soil....forty eight from white supremacist and other fanatic terrorists non Muslim at home...around the globe over 200,000 have been killed by Muslim terrorists....fewer in the US than most countries involved in the struggle
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Show me a media source giving estimates of what % of the population is against it. All they're doing is showing the massive protests. You know, like people showing Trump's rallies during the campaign.

The people who ARE against it are business leaders, which is probably more influential on politicians than the people at large. But no doubt Trump can be heartened by that poll that his deplorables are out there and have his back.
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I would have to see the questions asked, what demographics and areas were targeted, and who paid for the poll. You can easily create a poll to achieve a predetermined result. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with the poll you listed but without further information I wouldn't jump to major conclusions.
 
This is fun.

"Do you believe that President Trump arrived at this policy as a result of extensive advice from national security advisors or was it instead written by white nationalists and intended to make angry white folks who've never met a muslim very happy?"
 
Denny Crane said:
How about, "are you willing to shake things up to put an end to the never ending war on terror?

Or, would you prefer to bomb even more countries?
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You cannot put and end to terrorism, there will always be terrorism no matter how many wars, no matter how many of our troops die, or what executive orders Drumpf signs, that's just reality.

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You cannot put and end to terrorism, there will always be terrorism no matter how many wars, no matter how many of our troops die, or what executive orders Drumpf signs, that's just reality.

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We went from peace in Iraq and skirmishes in Afghanistan in 2009 to routinely bombing 7 countries. Talk about stirring up he hornets ' nest...

Whatever we did since 2011 failed rather miserably, when you consider ISIS.

Feel free to make the case to continue those policies.
 
Denny Crane said:
We went from peace in Iraq and skirmishes in Afghanistan in 2009 to routinely bombing 7 countries. Talk about stirring up he hornets ' nest...

Whatever we did since 2011 failed rather miserably, when you consider ISIS.

Feel free to make the case to continue those policies.
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"Since 2011" huh. Given that we're currently supposed to be preventing terrorist attacks, didn't the failures start before 9/11/01?
 
Denny Crane said:
We went from peace in Iraq and skirmishes in Afghanistan in 2009 to routinely bombing 7 countries. Talk about stirring up he hornets ' nest...

Whatever we did since 2011 failed rather miserably, when you consider ISIS.

Feel free to make the case to continue those policies.
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I wasn't trying to make a case for any policy. I was responding to your post. Anyone who make a promise to end terrorism is a liar. There is only fighting it.
 
Chris Craig said:
I wasn't trying to make a case for any policy. I was responding to your post. Anyone who make a promise to end terrorism is a liar. There is only fighting it.
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I can end it.

End the humans, end the terror. A dog only world would be paradise.
 
Chris Craig said:
I wasn't trying to make a case for any policy. I was responding to your post. Anyone who make a promise to end terrorism is a liar. There is only fighting it.
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Not end to terrorism, end to the war on terrorism.

It's not that subtle a difference.

There was terrorism before the gulf war, but we didn't have government spy on us and we didn't routinely bomb 7 countries.
 
riverman said:
since 9/11 twenty six people have died from Muslim terrorists acts on US soil....forty eight from white supremacist and other fanatic terrorists non Muslim at home...around the globe over 200,000 have been killed by Muslim terrorists....fewer in the US than most countries involved in the struggle
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You're numbers are off I think.

Beltway Sniper Attacks (Feb. 16, 2002-Oct. 24, 2002) – 17 Deaths
  • It may be difficult to classify this attack as terrorism since investigators found no terrorist ties or political motives, but the Virginia court described the killings as "pursuant to the direction or order" of terrorism
Fort Hood Mass Shooting (Nov. 5, 2009) – 13 Deaths
  • The Virginia-born Muslim had pledged his allegiance to the mujahideen, and said he wanted to die “a martyr.”
Boston Marathon Bombing (April 15, 2013) – 3 Deaths
  • Dzhokhar Tsarnaev said he and his brother were radicalized by Anwar al-Awlaki, an al-Qaeda preacher.
San Bernardino Attack (Dec. 2, 2015) – 14 Deaths
  • The couple was reportedly inspired by Islamic terrorists but had no direct ties to them. President Obama defined the shooting as a terrorist act.
Orlando Nightclub Shooting (June 12, 2016) – 49 Deaths
  • Mateen, who was born in New York, pledged allegiance to the leader of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) and also mentioned the Boston Marathon bombers in a 9-1-1 call.

Seattle Jewish Center shooting - 1 Death
  • Pakistani-American Naveed Afzal Haq, shot six women at the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle, killing one. Haq, who expressed anti-Semitic and anti-Western views during the 911 call leading to his capture, was convicted of aggravated first-degree murder
Little Rock Military Recruiting Center shooting - 1 Death
  • Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, a Muslim convert from Memphis, killed one soldier in a drive-by shooting on a military recruiting station in Little Rock, Arkansas, on June 1, 2009. He appeared to be a violent jihadist who self-radicalized after traveling to Yemen
Oklahoma Vaughn Foods beheading - 1 Death
  • Nolan appeared to have converted to Islam during a prison stint, and had reportedly tried to convert coworkers to Islam. He also glorified jihad on Facebook.
Slaying of two NYPD officers - 2 Deaths
  • Ismaaiyl Brinsley ambushed NYPD officers Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos, killing them with a 9-millimeter pistol, after alluding to the high-profile police-related deaths of Michael Brown and Eric Garner on social media. "Brinsley’s abandoned YouTube channel contained a video showing him heading to pray at Brooklyn’s Masjid At Taqwa, a mosque that has been linked to terrorist and anti-police activity.
Chattanooga Recruiting Center shootings - 5 deaths
  • Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez staged drive-by shootings on a military recruiting center and a U.S. Navy Reserve center on July 16, 2015, killing five. The perpetrator himself, a Jordanian citizen born in Kuwait and naturalized in the U.S., "searched the Internet in the days leading up to the attack for Islamic materials about whether martyrdom would lead to forgiveness for his sins, like drunkenness and financial debt, according to law enforcement officials,"




Also, Riverman, this isn't a "Muslim" ban. This is a travel ban from 7 countries known to the intelligence community for containing terrorists, 3 of which are state sponsors of terror.
 
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