Re-sign Andre?

[Stevenson]

I say the guy is a gamer, is very basketball smart, can score at will at times, and has great court sense. We play better with him. I would re-sign him to another 2 year deal.

You?

 

[Natebishop3]

It depends on whether you think this team is going to make the playoffs. If they can make the playoffs, yes. If they are lottery bound, we should move Miller and Przybilla for assets that will help our future.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Whether starting or off the bench, he knows the game and is a most capable PG.

 

[STOMP]

there is a team option on his contract for next season so there is little reason to resign him in the near future. Maybe the club decides to trade him to another club that wants him as an expiring contract, as who knows what the market will bear. But if I had to guess, I'd say the club exercises his option this offseason and he's the starter again next year

STOMP

 

[Natebishop3]

there is a team option on his contract for next season so there is little reason to resign him in the near future. Maybe the club decides to trade him to another club that wants him as an expiring contract, as who knows what the market will bear. But if I had to guess, I'd say the club exercises his option this offseason and he's the starter again next year

STOMP

That's probably what will happen unless a trade comes along that blows Cho's socks off.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

It depends on whether you think this team is going to make the playoffs. If they can make the playoffs, yes. If they are lottery bound, we should move Miller and Przybilla for assets that will help our future.

If that's the direction you want to go you trade Camby instead of Pryz.

You'd get more in return.

 

[Nikolokolus]

It depends on whether you think this team is going to make the playoffs. If they can make the playoffs, yes. If they are lottery bound, we should move Miller and Przybilla for assets that will help our future.

This is how I feel ... and If I'm doing the "crystal ball" thing, I'm guessing it's going to be more important to utilize those assets and improve the long term outlook of the team than it's going to be trying to hang onto some low playoff seed which seems to be what we'd be fighting for at this point (unless of Oden bucks the trend he's on and actually becomes a regular, reliable, dominant centerpiece to the team).

I really like Andre's game, but hanging on past his current contract just feels like it won't end well unless he can suddenly adjust to becoming a reserve and I don't get the feeling he's much interested in that.

 

[LittleAlex]

I think you have to because the most important skill any free agent Portland gets must have is the ability to stay healthy.

Andre never gets hurt so he is a perfect fit.

 

[STOMP]

If that's the direction you want to go you trade Camby instead of Pryz.

You'd get more in return.

If Joel appears back to his usual self physically by the trade deadline, I'd guess they'd have more or less the same market for their skills. Some might prefer Camby's superior play, but Joel is pretty decent too and he's 5 years younger... he'll be a 32 year old UFA next off season looking for a last deal. He also could be valued as an expiring... beauty is in the eye of the beholder

STOMP

 

[Nate Dogg]

I regard Miller is a medium value point guard, he knows the game, doesn't make dumb decisions for the most part, and his salary level is relatively low. His return is greater than the hit on the payroll books.

 

[Shooter]

Let's get real. With Brandon Roy hobbled by a bad knee, and Oden still a very big question mark, this team is going nowhere. I wish I could get excited about the Blazers making the playoffs, but if you make the playoffs and have no chance of doing anything, what's the point?

Don't mean to sound negative, but to me it's all about winning a title. Can we win one with a jump-shooting Roy who can't defend or stop anyone? If Oden came back 100% and turned into a beast, then maybe. Otherwise, no.

That's the way I see it, anyway.

 

[illmatic99]

With the way he plays, I see him being at this current caliber for at least three more years.

But signing him to an extension now can turn out very detrimental to our future. If Roy is seriously hurt, and GO can't get fully healthy, we can't kill our capspace further by signing a non-star. His expiring contract is unfortunately more valuable than him as a player right now.

 

[craigehlo]

Yes. But only if we can't get a good deal for him by the trade deadline.

 

[Idog1976]

Let's get real. With Brandon Roy hobbled by a bad knee, and Oden still a very big question mark, this team is going nowhere. I wish I could get excited about the Blazers making the playoffs, but if you make the playoffs and have no chance of doing anything, what's the point?

Don't mean to sound negative, but to me it's all about winning a title. Can we win one with a jump-shooting Roy who can't defend or stop anyone? If Oden came back 100% and turned into a beast, then maybe. Otherwise, no.

That's the way I see it, anyway.

I agree point for point. The team ought to be kissing Oden's ass and getting him engaged with this team and whispering in his ear about being "The Man" and the fanbase better be ready to pretend like they HAVEN'T been talking shit about him for years now. Otherwise it's blow up the team and rebuild time. I have ZERO interest in a decade of first round exits. I'd rather be in the lottery so we can make our move when Miami's run is done.

 

[Mediocre Man]

No. I like Andre Miller, this team is closer to a rebuild than a championship run. Right now we have.....

1. An aging PG who can't shoot or play defense
2. A SG with knees 10 years older then his actual age
3. A very good and well rounded SF
4. A good PF that is still shying away from contact
5. A 36 year old center

6. A disgruntled Spanish SG that does not want to be here
7. A total gunner that has been more cold than hot this season
8. A solid tweener that will probably never be anything more than average
9. A promising looking rookie PG who is a jump shot away from being much better than promising
10. A tweener rookie who is a good shooter, but can he defend or rebound?
11. A player in the last year of his deal with what should have been a career ending knee injury
12. A player that has played a total of 1 season in over 3 seasons, that has a contract situation coming up
13. A first round pick who has laready had his first knee surgery
Mills and the tall white stiff don't matter at all.

 

[mook]

Armon Johnson in this very young season already has a PER of 14.4, which doesn't even factor in his greatest asset much (defense). Yeah, it's limited minutes and only over 11 games, so you have to take it with something of a grain of salt. But this is obviously better than most PG's do in the first dozen games of their NBA career.

At the end of next year, Miller will be 36. The only starting PG in the NBA that old this year is Jason Kidd, and Kidd is only able to do that because he added a lethal three pointer to his game. Nobody sees Andre doing that. Miller is smart enough to see that the market for him as a starter will evaporate, and he'll take the best deal possible in a backup role.

Hopefully Armon has advanced at that point to starter quality, and we have a pretty smooth transition.

 

[illmatic99]

No...

Thanks for making my Monday morning even more depressing than it already was, MM.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Thanks for making my Monday morning even more depressing than it already was, MM.

What's worse is that while I am certainly more of a glass half empty Blazer fan than some, I think my comments were all fair.

 

[HailBlazers]

I wish I could get excited about the Blazers making the playoffs, but if you make the playoffs and have no chance of doing anything, what's the point? Don't mean to sound negative, but to me it's all about winning a title.

The point is watching your team battle night in night out and always putting up a fight to make it a game. That's all I ask for, a never say die spirit from my teams. If it's all about winning a title than how have you been a fan for the last 33 years? Must have been a crappy ride for you, why haven't you given up? Hasn't anyone ever told you that life is about the ride, not the destination.

What's worse is that while I am certainly more of a glass half empty Blazer fan than some, I think my comments were all fair.

Fair as it may be Benjamin Franklin once said:

Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do.

 

[BGrantFan]

Why re-sign Miller when the Blazers have a team option for next season? That makes no sense, and if this season doesn't go well, there is no reason to pick up that option until after the season. Part of Miller's value is that team option for $7 million. That's $7 million that a team looking to trade at the deadline can then dump next season. Hell, the Blazers could then re-sign 'Dre after the season for less than what he is due on the team option if they want him back.

 

[mook]

No. I like Andre Miller, this team is closer to a rebuild than a championship run. Right now we have.....

With Roy seeming to fall apart, my expectations have definitely taken a hit. But I definitely wouldn't say we're closer to a rebuild. The biggest variable in that calculus is Greg Oden. Nobody can say for 100% that he'll never recover and always have the injury issues of his first three years. You may not think it's likely that he'll recover 100% and have a decade+ of All-Star level productivity, but you have to admit there's still a reasonable possibility.

To really know if we're closer to a rebuild than a championship, go back to around 2002. That's when we were at that same pivot point. Pippen and Sabonis had mostly broken down. Smith was broken/gone, and DA sucked. Damon was fucking Damon. Mo Cheeks was our coach. Sheed, Bonzi and Zach were really our only talented players entering or in their prime. The GM "mind trust" was Patternash. They went from 50 wins to death spiral 41 to 27 to 21.

Do you really think our team is in that kind of a place? Our core is still pretty good. Batum, Aldridge, Johnson and the coin tosses of Greg Oden and Brandon Roy seems like a lot safer bet to eventually work toward contention than Sheed/Bonzi/Zach did, even back then. Add in that we've got a much better coach, much better GM (not hard to beat Patternash) and an owner much more willing to open the purse strings.

Mostly, though, our hopes as always reside in Greg Oden. I personally think there's around a 30% chance he could still be the dominant center we all hoped for. So assuming Roy really is done as a superstar, I think there's still a 30% chance of the Blazers being a real contender.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

No. I like Andre Miller, this team is closer to a rebuild than a championship run. Right now we have.....

1. An aging PG who can't shoot or play defense
2. A SG with knees 10 years older then his actual age
3. A very good and well rounded SF
4. A good PF that is still shying away from contact
5. A 36 year old center

6. A disgruntled Spanish SG that does not want to be here
7. A total gunner that has been more cold than hot this season
8. A solid tweener that will probably never be anything more than average
9. A promising looking rookie PG who is a jump shot away from being much better than promising
10. A tweener rookie who is a good shooter, but can he defend or rebound?
11. A player in the last year of his deal with what should have been a career ending knee injury
12. A player that has played a total of 1 season in over 3 seasons, that has a contract situation coming up
13. A first round pick who has laready had his first knee surgery
Mills and the tall white stiff don't matter at all.

Unfortunately, that seems like a really accurate assessment of the team.

 

[Idog1976]

The point is watching your team battle night in night out and always putting up a fight to make it a game. That's all I ask for, a never say die spirit from my teams. If it's all about winning a title than how have you been a fan for the last 33 years? Must have been a crappy ride for you, why haven't you given up? Hasn't anyone ever told you that life is about the ride, not the destination.



Fair as it may be Benjamin Franklin once said:

So are you enjoying the "ride"?

I've been a fan literally my whole life. My dad took to the streets with my year old self to celebrate the one championship of my lifetime. I'm sorry but grainy film of our last championship isn't cutting it for me. I saw the 90 thru 92 legit runs at a ring, I saw the infamous game 7 WCF meltdown/whistle swallow blow up and I saw the jailblazers years. I participated as a fan in the LONGEST playoff run in NBA history.

I want a ring dammnit. It's possible that won't happen in Stern's league and that's a problem in and of itself. Maybe Phil Knight and Paul Allen or some other billionaires will start a new league that is fairly reffed during the lockout. Lord knows I would support that. I hate Stern and everything he stands for.

So maybe I'm a fool with a dream about a Blazers championship, but that's what I want not to get slaughtered in the first round. That's Vulcan beancounter thinking. I want a damn ring. Right now that means Oden getting healthy mentally and physically with buy in to be a Blazer. Barring that and that might be a faint hope indeed, we need to start thinking about the future.

 

[Natebishop3]

No. I like Andre Miller, this team is closer to a rebuild than a championship run. Right now we have.....

1. An aging PG who can't shoot or play defense
2. A SG with knees 10 years older then his actual age
3. A very good and well rounded SF
4. A good PF that is still shying away from contact
5. A 36 year old center

6. A disgruntled Spanish SG that does not want to be here
7. A total gunner that has been more cold than hot this season
8. A solid tweener that will probably never be anything more than average
9. A promising looking rookie PG who is a jump shot away from being much better than promising
10. A tweener rookie who is a good shooter, but can he defend or rebound?
11. A player in the last year of his deal with what should have been a career ending knee injury
12. A player that has played a total of 1 season in over 3 seasons, that has a contract situation coming up
13. A first round pick who has laready had his first knee surgery
Mills and the tall white stiff don't matter at all.

Yup. This about sums it all up. Right now we're further away from a championship than we were two years ago. We hedged our bets, we traded for and signed some veterans, and we went all in on Brandon Roy, Aldridge, and Oden. Unfortunately Roy is now a shadow of himself, Oden is a gigantic question mark, and Aldridge is proving to be inconsistent at best. This team could pull itself out of this nose dive, but without Roy or Oden, I really don't see the point. We don't have a shot at a title, and really our only achievable goal this season is the playoffs. That's only a moral victory, and not one I think is worth striving for.

IMO, we should do a refit, build around Batum, Johnson, and Aldridge, with the hopes that Oden might come back as well, but not counting on him.

 

[LittleAlex]

No. I like Andre Miller, this team is closer to a rebuild than a championship run. Right now we have.....

1. An aging PG who can't shoot or play defense
2. A SG with knees 10 years older then his actual age
3. A very good and well rounded SF
4. A good PF that is still shying away from contact
5. A 36 year old center

6. A disgruntled Spanish SG that does not want to be here
7. A total gunner that has been more cold than hot this season
8. A solid tweener that will probably never be anything more than average
9. A promising looking rookie PG who is a jump shot away from being much better than promising
10. A tweener rookie who is a good shooter, but can he defend or rebound?
11. A player in the last year of his deal with what should have been a career ending knee injury
12. A player that has played a total of 1 season in over 3 seasons, that has a contract situation coming up
13. A first round pick who has laready had his first knee surgery
Mills and the tall white stiff don't matter at all.

In all honesty, I have to ask why you even follow the team if you think all of the above is true?

You could make a similar laundry list for every team in the league.

Here, guess which team I am describing below:
1.) Useless Euro point guard who can't defend a fire hydrant.
2.) Often injured ball hogging undersized shooting guard.
3.) Primadonna ball hog small forward.
4.) A power forward who seems to be allergic to human contact and rebounds.
5.) Aging euro center with bad feet and worse defense.
6.) Second year point guard who still plays like a rookie
7.) back up wing with bad hair, worse D and a declining jumper
8.) A human statue backup center
9.) A smallish power forward disgused as a back up center.
10-13) A collection of meaningless players.

 

[Natebishop3]

In all honesty, I have to ask why you even follow the team if you think all of the above is true?

You could make a similar laundry list for every team in the league.

Here, guess which team I am describing below:
1.) Useless Euro point guard who can't defend a fire hydrant.
2.) Often injured ball hogging undersized shooting guard.
3.) Primadonna ball hog small forward.
4.) A power forward who seems to be allergic to human contact and rebounds.
5.) Aging euro center with bad feet and worse defense.
6.) Second year point guard who still plays like a rookie
7.) back up wing with bad hair, worse D and a declining jumper
8.) A human statue backup center
9.) A smallish power forward disgused as a back up center.
10-13) A collection of meaningless players.

The Miami Heat!

Honestly though, you're trying to make a point but you're glossing over the fact two of the players you mentioned are top five in the league. The fact that they have Wade and James alone makes them one of the best teams in the league. They JUST built that team, so of course it's going to be a collection of garbage until they can surround those guys with some decent players, and right now they're not all that bad. They've had guys like James Jones step up. They'll still make the playoffs. I thought MM's assessment was pretty damn close to spot on. What did you disagree with?

 

[HailBlazers]

Yup. This about sums it all up. Right now we're further away from a championship than we were two years ago.

Yea it about sums up all the negative things. The only thing further from a championship is your Expectations.

What did you disagree with?

The doom and gloom that the season is over with, and that things can't change in a moments notice towards the positive as they have negatively. For example, our bench is the best its been in years. Imagine if we actually had a center to go with it...

 

[Mediocre Man]

In all honesty, I have to ask why you even follow the team if you think all of the above is true?

You could make a similar laundry list for every team in the league.

Here, guess which team I am describing below:
1.) Useless Euro point guard who can't defend a fire hydrant.
2.) Often injured ball hogging undersized shooting guard.
3.) Primadonna ball hog small forward.
4.) A power forward who seems to be allergic to human contact and rebounds.
5.) Aging euro center with bad feet and worse defense.
6.) Second year point guard who still plays like a rookie
7.) back up wing with bad hair, worse D and a declining jumper
8.) A human statue backup center
9.) A smallish power forward disgused as a back up center.
10-13) A collection of meaningless players.

Please tell me what you disagree with me on?

 

[Mediocre Man]

Yea it about sums all the negative things. The only thing further from a championship is your Expectations.



The doom and gloom that the season is over with, and things can't change in a moments notice towards the positive as they have negatively.

There was no doom and gloom. And nothing I said is likely to change in a moments notice.

 

[HailBlazers]

Please tell me what you disagree with me on?

Only telling one side of the story as if it's the whole truth, and acting like our issues are terribly unique for an NBA team.