Reasonable trade thought

[PtldPlatypus]

The Sixers are 5-18, in cap hell, and need to dump a contract. Dalembert is one of those. We need a center. Anyone think there's a chance that we could get him?

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Mediocre player who is very overpaid.

No thanx

 

[julius]

Mediocre player who is very overpaid.

No thanx

Who is Steve Blake for 500?


Ooh, you weren't playing Jeopardy?

 

[MIXUM]

we need help at the center spot. why would we want him? lets stick with howard or cunningham. lol

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Mediocre player who is very overpaid.

No thanx

Yes, he is. But he's healthy, durable, and big--all things we need. Perhaps we would be able to pry away Young too if we gave them a really sweet deal. I wonder...

 

[PtldPlatypus]

we need help at the center spot. why would we want him? lets stick with howard or cunningham. lol

Oh damn--Mixum's agreeing with me? Now I know I'm off the deep end...

 

[RR7]

Who do you envision us parting with?

 

[RR7]

It is a good thought, though. It's not a trade people are going to ooh and aah at, so it will get easily dismissed. But it's mroe likely than us landing a huge player to help us win now and in the future. Would we move Joel for him? Or a package of smaller parts? Miler?

 

[Minstrel]

It is a good thought, though. It's not a trade people are going to ooh and aah at, so it will get easily dismissed. But it's mroe likely than us landing a huge player to help us win now and in the future. Would we move Joel for him? Or a package of smaller parts? Miler?

If Portland moved Przybilla, how would it help, really? The problem Portland faces is being incredibly thin up front. Moving a big for a big just seems like shuffling deck chairs. I think Dalembert is a relatively equivalent player to Przybilla...lesser defense, more productive. I guess I could see dealing Przybilla for him as a hedge against Przybilla leaving in the off-season.

Ideally, though, they could acquire him without losing Przybilla, use them as the center rotation this year and then let Przybilla leave in the off-season and let Dalembert back up Oden.

But I don't know how Philadelphia can afford to move Dal without getting back a big. If they deal Dalembert without getting a center back, who starts for them up front? Brezec?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

It is a good thought, though. It's not a trade people are going to ooh and aah at, so it will get easily dismissed. But it's mroe likely than us landing a huge player to help us win now and in the future. Would we move Joel for him? Or a package of smaller parts? Miler?

The problem is that his contract is so large--$11.36M. Blake/Outlaw/Webster would be enough, but we would lose our only SF. Now, if we could add Rudy in and get Young, then I think it could be a win-win for both sides. They need a PG almost as badly as we need a C, they would save a TON, and they could move Iggy back to the 3. Plus they would get pretty decent value in Rudy in exchange for Young, whom most think would have to be included in any cost-cutting deal.

I dunno--it's a thought

 

[PtldPlatypus]

But I don't know how Philadelphia can afford to move Dal without getting back a big. If they deal Dalembert without getting a center back, who starts for them up front? Brezec?

Speights is set to come back any day, and Jason Smith could probably start at the 5 if they needed him to.

 

[hasoos]

That seems to be making a move for the sake of making a move.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Dalembert is garbage for the salary he makes. I'm not opposed to making a move for a big man (if it's even possible) but this isn't it.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

That seems to be making a move for the sake of making a move.

No, my ulterior motive is that I really want Thaddeus Young; this was just my way of easing into it. However, I don't see how any deal that nets us a center, a starting SF, and rids us of Blake without losing any of the big 3 would not be a colossal success.

 

[SpanishFly]

I'd rather have Okafor than Dalembert

 

[hasoos]

No, my ulterior motive is that I really want Thaddeus Young; this was just my way of easing into it. However, I don't see how any deal that nets us a center, a starting SF, and rids us of Blake without losing any of the big 3 would not be a colossal success.

I would shit a brick if we got Young. I like his game.

 

[BenDavis503]

I would take him but his contract is a little too much and a little too long. I think he is a decent player, contrary to most on this thread.

 

[BrianFromWA]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8co68n

Blake and Outlaw and lotto-protected 2010 1st for Jeffries and Jordan "I'm glued to D'Antoni's bench" Hill gives the Knicks an additional ~10M in cap room next year (meaning that they could now sign 2 max guys), gives us some warm bodies up front, a raw lotto project, and more minutes for Bayless. Win, Win, Win, Win.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I would shit a brick if we got Young. I like his game.

Makes you wonder if the Sixers would be interested in some salary relief. They're cap constrained and supposedly pretty open to moving Brand. Elton appears to be a shell of his former self, but I'd take him off their hands and use him in a sort of backup role at power forward and center if we could get a hold of Thad Young, who can play as a stretch four or as a small forward.

Question is, what would they want that the Blazers could offer

 

[BrianFromWA]

It would have to include Joel and the two EC's just to get close in money. Then, whatever cheap talent they want.

 

[hasoos]

Makes you wonder if the Sixers would be interested in some salary relief. They're cap constrained and supposedly pretty open to moving Brand. Elton appears to be a shell of his former self, but I'd take him off their hands and use him in a sort of backup role at power forward and center if we could get a hold of Thad Young, who can play as a stretch four or as a small forward.

Question is, what would they want that the Blazers could offer

I had thought there were some problems with Young getting playing time lately anyhow. Perhaps we could solve those problems too.

 

[BrianFromWA]

It would have to include Joel and the two EC's just to get close in money. Then, whatever cheap talent they want.

Disregard. I keep forgetting that tomorrow I can start including Andre.

Andre+Outlaw+Webster works too.

 

[LittleAlex]

If Portland moved Przybilla, how would it help, really? The problem Portland faces is being incredibly thin up front. Moving a big for a big just seems like shuffling deck chairs. I think Dalembert is a relatively equivalent player to Przybilla...lesser defense, more productive. I guess I could see dealing Przybilla for him as a hedge against Przybilla leaving in the off-season.

Ideally, though, they could acquire him without losing Przybilla, use them as the center rotation this year and then let Przybilla leave in the off-season and let Dalembert back up Oden.

But I don't know how Philadelphia can afford to move Dal without getting back a big. If they deal Dalembert without getting a center back, who starts for them up front? Brezec?

I think you are really selling Joel short here. Dalembert is a pretty damn bad player. Joel is very good at what he does.

Moving Joel to bring in Dalembert would be a colossal mistake.

 

[RR7]

What Joel does is rebound, and defend the paint.

The last 3 years, his rebound % has been 21, 23 and 21. Block % of 4, 4, and 5. Averaged 5, 5.5 and 4 points per game.

Dalembert's last 3 years, he has had a rebound % of 18.5, 21, 19. Block % of 5.5, 6, 6. And 10, 6 and 6 PPG.

Dalembert doesn't look as inept on offense usually and is a better shot blocker than Joel. Joel is a slightly better rebounder. I don't see how one is a bad player, and one very good at what he does? And how it's a colossal mistake. I'm not saying it's a great swap for us, but it's not going to torpedo our season.
Big issue is Dalembert being overpaid.

 

[Minstrel]

I think you are really selling Joel short here. Dalembert is a pretty damn bad player. Joel is very good at what he does.

Dalembert is "pretty damn bad" based on what? In addition to what RR7 pointed out, I'd add that Dalembert has a 15.0 career PER. Przybilla has a 12.6 career PER. Przybilla is good at certain things, bad at others. Dalembert is at least as effective overall.

Moving Joel to bring in Dalembert would be a colossal mistake.

It would certainly be more expensive. But Dalembert is a couple of years younger. I think he'd be a pretty good long-term backup, who can step in and start, when/if Oden is injured, without being a negative.

 

[hasoos]

Dalembert is "pretty damn bad" based on what? In addition to what RR7 pointed out, I'd add that Dalembert has a 15.0 career PER. Przybilla has a 12.6 career PER. Przybilla is good at certain things, bad at others. Dalembert is at least as effective overall.



It would certainly be more expensive. But Dalembert is a couple of years younger. I think he'd be a pretty good long-term backup, who can step in and start, when/if Oden is injured, without being a negative.

Based upon watching him play.

 

[Minstrel]

Based upon watching him play.

*nod* I think your observation has misled you, personally, since he actually has been productive.

But we can agree to disagree.

 

[hasoos]

*nod* I think your observation has misled you, personally, since he actually has been productive.

But we can agree to disagree.

See IMO Dalembert is one of those players like Ratliff. When he plays hard, he plays well. But often times he just dissappears, or gets lost out there. He pouts. He has done that his whole career. I don't see it changing now, and the last thing I want is a another Theo Ratliff Albotross on this team. The facts are, that even if Dalambert played his best ball in Portland, it is not worth that contract.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I'd take Brand instead and PLAY him at center.

The Rockets should offer McGrady for either Dalembert or Brand, though. (Actually, McGrady's contract could probably get both - Philly would probably throw in about ten picks if they got that offer.)