Renounce Batum?

[OregonHuskerMan]

I have very little idea as to exactly how much cap space we have with or without Batum. But I feel as if he is easily replaceable in this draft, either byBarnes or MKG or Perry zjones. I know Batum is a proven commodity, but i feel he has lingered too long.

I propose we do not match whatever Batum gets, as it is bound to be at least 8 million.

Depending on how workouts/the draft goes, I either trade up for MKG, draft Barnes or Perry Jones. Optimally, Drummond is available at 6, PJ3 is available at 11. (maybe package 11 + second rounder to move up slightly to draft PJ3 if necessary - and if his workout proves to be solid).

Then we fail to match whatever Batum gets, freeing up additional cap space.

Sign Dragic, Nash, Williams.
With leftover cap, dependent on who we sign, go for Kaman, Asik, Hawes
Throw some money at Mayo, Lou Williams, Matt Barnes, see if anything sticks.
Depending on what happens with Hickson, may or may not resign him. Cost as well.
No way I bring Claver over. Freeland possibly
Dragic/Nolan
Elliot/Wes
Perry Jones/Matt Barnes (insurance for if pJ progresses slowllllyyyyy)/Babbitt
Aldridge/Maybe freeland or Hickson, Shawne Willaims or PJ3
Kaman or Asik/Drummond.

This highly upgrades our talent, gets us a couple vets (I may be undervaluing some of them, money wise.) also we have great versatility mixed with vets In both lineups.

Dragic/Elliot/PJ3/Hickson/Aldridge
Dragic/Elliot/Wes/PJ3/Aldridge
Dragic/Wes/Babbitt/Williams/Aldridge.

Just so many lineups we could use, with Aldridge at C or PF. Or PJ at SF or PF. Or using Shawne Williams to space th floor.

Once again, don't really have cap numbers with and without Batum, but we could be looking at a good thing with the right man at the helm. if we can develop Perry like the spurs did Kawhi, it looks more like a reload than rebuild.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I have very little idea as to exactly how much cap space we have with or without Batum. But I feel as if he is easily replaceable in this draft, either byBarnes or MKG or Perry zjones. I know Batum is a proven commodity, but i feel he has lingered too long.

I propose we do not match whatever Batum gets, as it is bound to be at least 8 million.

Depending on how workouts/the draft goes, I either trade up for MKG, draft Barnes or Perry Jones. Optimally, Drummond is available at 6, PJ3 is available at 11. (maybe package 11 + second rounder to move up slightly to draft PJ3 if necessary - and if his workout proves to be solid).

Then we fail to match whatever Batum gets, freeing up additional cap space.

Sign Dragic, Nash, Williams.
With leftover cap, dependent on who we sign, go for Kaman, Asik, Hawes
Throw some money at Mayo, Lou Williams, Matt Barnes, see if anything sticks.
Depending on what happens with Hickson, may or may not resign him. Cost as well.
No way I bring Claver over. Freeland possibly
Dragic/Nolan
Elliot/Wes
Perry Jones/Matt Barnes (insurance for if pJ progresses slowllllyyyyy)/Babbitt
Aldridge/Maybe freeland or Hickson, Shawne Willaims or PJ3
Kaman or Asik/Drummond.

This highly upgrades our talent, gets us a couple vets (I may be undervaluing some of them, money wise.) also we have great versatility mixed with vets In both lineups.

Dragic/Elliot/PJ3/Hickson/Aldridge
Dragic/Elliot/Wes/PJ3/Aldridge
Dragic/Wes/Babbitt/Williams/Aldridge.

Just so many lineups we could use, with Aldridge at C or PF. Or PJ at SF or PF. Or using Shawne Williams to space th floor.

Once again, don't really have cap numbers with and without Batum, but we could be looking at a good thing with the right man at the helm. if we can develop Perry like the spurs did Kawhi, it looks more like a reload than rebuild.

http://www.blazersedge.com/2012/5/1...salary-cap-Portland-Trail-Blazers-offer-match


5.4 cap hold


Renouncing him will give us that much more to play with, and if he signs an offer sheet, we will have 3 days to match it. If we don't sign someone before that time, his new salary will count against our cap if we choose to keep him



Our cap space is about 20 million minus Batum, Hickson and the lottery picks. With them it is about 12.5 million

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

It would make sense if we were able to land the #2 pick for MKG.

With the remaining cap we could throw at Dragic and a veteran backup SF like Danny Green or Landry Fields.

 

[OregonHuskerMan]

Yes, I understand that. I should have mentioned, I don't think we will fill our cap space in 3 days that we have to match. And Batum isn't worth the 8-10 mill he may get.

 

[Harry's Raincoat]

I'd rather match (cap space spending time frame depending), and trade him after the wait period for better value than to just not match him. We need talented players and giving one away isn't the short term nor long term answer.

Bad idea to me!

 

[OregonHuskerMan]

It would make sense if we were able to land the #2 pick for MKG.

With the remaining cap we could throw at Dragic and a veteran backup SF like Danny Green or Landry Fields.

You don't think PJ3 or Harrison Barnes can be a solid contributor? Barnes is more guaranteed, but no way we get him at #11.

That's why I take PJ3, sign Matt Barnes (good rebounder, plays tough D. Not great on O, but he works hard.) then and we get Drummond at 6.

I guess i just don't see such a ginormous gap between MKG, H. Barnes and the Potential of PJ3.

Plus, I rather have Drummond/Pj than just MKG.

 

[OregonHuskerMan]

I'd rather match (cap space spending time frame depending), and trade him after the wait period for better value than to just not match him. We need talented players and giving one away isn't the short term nor long term answer.

Bad idea to me!

Okay. Say we are two days deep. No signings, or one signing. We can either match Batum, or we can preserve cap space. Which do you do? Lose an additional 5 mill cap space, or gain 10 mill, allowing us to sign someone like Kaman (obviously In this scenario we haven't used all of our cap space prior to the decision of having to accept or reject Batum)

 

[The_Lillard_King]

There is no way the Blazers renounce Batum.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

You don't think PJ3 or Harrison Barnes can be a solid contributor? Barnes is more guaranteed, but no way we get him at #11.

That's why I take PJ3, sign Matt Barnes (good rebounder, plays tough D. Not great on O, but he works hard.) then and we get Drummond at 6.

I guess i just don't see such a ginormous gap between MKG, H. Barnes and the Potential of PJ3.

Plus, I rather have Drummond/Pj than just MKG.

I think it's pretty clear; MKG was the second best player on a National title winning team while PJ3 struggled against the likes of South Dakota State.

 

[THE HCP]

Fighting........... Must...........Not ...............Promised Denny...................Breathe HCP..............walk away from MacBook..............

 

[Mediocre Man]

Fighting........... Must...........Not ...............Promised Denny...................Breathe HCP..............walk away from MacBook..............

What is making you so angry, the lack of posts, or the thought he might have a point?

 

[Nikolokolus]

Unless the Blazers have an agreement in principle with a guy like Deron Williams or another truly elite player (are there any others in free agency?) then renouncing him doesn't sound like a great plan. If they don't want to pony up a ton of cash maybe they can work out a sign and trade with whatever team is hot after him ... hard to comment any more than that unless we know the offering team and the kind of players that might be available in trade.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

What is making you so angry, the lack of posts, or the thought he might have a point?

The fact that he started a thread and only has four posts total?

Seriously though, I doubt there's any player available at 6 better than Batum, nor is there any FA we could entice here better than Batum for the cap freedom he provides. Point is moot.

But you know what? Renounce him. Enjoy that scenario when the cap space leads to an overpriced Dragic and a couple of draft picks... Oh and a big pile of cash to count because we never got a decent replacement for Batum.

 

[MARIS61]

There is no way the Blazers renounce Batum.

I agree, it would require incompetence and a dearth of talent evaluation skills.

But that would only mean Larry Miller is still in charge.

Nobody we could get at 6 or 11 will have a brighter career than Batum already has had.

 

[THE HCP]

What is making you so angry, the lack of posts, or the thought he might have a point?

Which do you think MM........!!!!!!!!!

 

[Blaze01]

Yeah, I don't get why POR would just remounce him, the amount of money they gain back from his cap hold doesn't justify letting him walk for basically nothing, or in your case walk so you can sign Kaman or Asik and Barnes? Really?

You may have to overpay to keep Batum, but if you sign him last and you have your shit together at the start of the FA period...you should be able to get a guy like Dragic and a big man for the $12.5 or so in cap space you will have and THEN go over the cap to resign Batum....You still have #6 & #11 plus probably a 2nd rounder and Freeland and Claver...That is a much better scenario....

 

[Mediocre Man]

Which do you think MM........!!!!!!!!!

It's polite to ask

 

[THE HCP]

It's polite to ask

MM, I know you also hate my positive outlook on things, but you know I know basketball. He makes some interesting points. But once I saw how many posts he had...... it was all out the window.

 

[Mediocre Man]

MM, I know you also hate my positive outlook on things, but you know I know basketball. He makes some interesting points. But once I saw how many posts he had...... it was all out the window.

You see, this is where people get it wrong about me. I love your positive outlook on things. What I hate is when they are based on the complete clusterfuck that has been our front office

 

[OregonHuskerMan]

There is no way the Blazers renounce Batum.

I should say not match, not renounce.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Without the cap hold (and letting him walk) how much do the Blazers have exactly?

 

[OregonHuskerMan]

I think it's pretty clear; MKG was the second best player on a National title winning team while PJ3 struggled against the likes of South Dakota State.

Come on. Look at the talent around them. PJ3 had flashes, was completely misused in the system, and had people that refused to make extra passes aka quincy miller. And against Kentucky he put up 17 and 8.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

The system has nothing to do with boxing out and being flat out outhustled by Marcus Heemstra and Jordan Dykstra.

For the most part he was a total non-factor this past March.

 

[OregonHuskerMan]

Yeah, I don't get why POR would just remounce him, the amount of money they gain back from his cap hold doesn't justify letting him walk for basically nothing, or in your case walk so you can sign Kaman or Asik and Barnes? Really?

You may have to overpay to keep Batum, but if you sign him last and you have your shit together at the start of the FA period...you should be able to get a guy like Dragic and a big man for the $12.5 or so in cap space you will have and THEN go over the cap to resign Batum....You still have #6 & #11 plus probably a 2nd rounder and Freeland and Claver...That is a much better scenario....

Is it really? You'd rather have Batum than fix our GLARING issue at C with a proven commodity? SFs come around frequently, the opportunity to possibly fix our center position for at least the next 5 years, probably more, while downgrading our SF position (most likely - pretty easy to find a decent role playing SF) is a risk that I would be willing to take. I'm tired of the Blazers severely over valuing and attaching themselves to players. I will admit it is rather boom bust, letting Batum go in hopes of enticing A solid center into joining our team along with teaching and developing Drummond, but it's better than having a our second best player being an overrated overpaid spot up shooter that isn't aggressive with somewhat overrated defense with questionable rebounding ability.

Dragic / Wes / PJ3 / Aldridge / Kaman looks a lot better than Dragic / Wes / Batum / Aldridge / Joel ....

 

[craigehlo]

I'm still optimistic that no team with huge caproom will overpay Batum. But if he gets that 8 Million plus contract, I'd let him walk and pocket the savings. In that scenario I'd also look to trade Wes to a team that could absorb his contract and is desperate for a serviceable SG (Utah possibly?). If we could swing that we could sign a PG like Dragic and still have some cap next season to make a run at a better FA class (http://www.hoopsworld.com/2013-nba-free-agents).

 

[OregonHuskerMan]

The system has nothing to do with boxing out and being flat out outhustled by Marcus Heemstra and Jordan Dykstra.

For the most part he was a total non-factor this past March.

Total non factor? He had TWO bad games. TWO.
10 pt 12 rb, 31/11, 18/7 (against T Rob), 16/11, 2/11 (bad game still rebounded), 7/4 (bad), 14/5, 17/8 (Kentucky).

MKG had bad games too, WKY, Iowa State.

 

[THE HCP]

MKG had bad games too, WKY, Iowa State.

Weak argument. MKG was surrounded by more talented players.

 

[Draco]

There is no reason to renounce Batum unless we have an immediate need for that cap space. If Deron Williams is ready to sign here and we need to renounce Batum sure go ahead and do it. But lets cross that bridge when we come to it. We can always renounce or opt to not match later. Renouncing Batum should be delayed as long as possible.

 

[OregonHuskerMan]

Weak argument. MKG was surrounded by more talented players.

He said the system didn't matter. Talent is part of Kentuckys system. If you give pJ3 those players he is probably open more, used more effectively.

 

[OregonHuskerMan]

There is no reason to renounce Batum unless we have an immediate need for that cap space. If Deron Williams is ready to sign here and we need to renounce Batum sure go ahead and do it. But lets cross that bridge when we come to it. We can always renounce or opt to not match later. Renouncing Batum should be delayed as long as possible.

Title needs to be edited. I meant not match him at all (as I truly do believe he and his agent will accept the first offer they get that us around 10mill). In hopes of using his now void contract to benefit us in free agency.