Republicans demand answers from NSA & Clapper on surveillance!

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SlyPokerDog said:
http://www.nationalmemo.com/bipartisan-group-of-senators-wants-answers-on-nsa-surveillance/
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Why the "Republicans demand..." in the title? Am I missing some kind of Sly humor?

The link says:
Senator Ron Wyden (D-OR) is leading a group of 26 senators — 22 Democrats, three Republicans and one Independent — in demanding answers from Director of National Intelligence James Clapper.
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I admit that R's are among those wanting answers, but it's mostly D's (and an I).

Good on all of them for going after the answers.

Go Blazers
 
oldguy said:
Why the "Republicans demand..." in the title? Am I missing some kind of Sly humor?

The link says:


I admit that R's are among those wanting answers, but it's mostly D's (and an I).

Good on all of them for going after the answers.

Go Blazers
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If this serious situation is going to get any discussion in this forum it has to be politicized. The majority of political discussions in here take the form of always pointing out how bad the other party is. This story is getting little traction and attention because guess what, both parties have fucked us.

If I would have titled the thread that Democrat Wyden is leading the charge the majority of focus would have been on him instead of what all of the politicians involved in this are asking for.

And yes, I agree with you, good on ALL of them for going after the answers. If we're going to get out of this and restore our basic freedoms we need members of both parties to unify.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
If this serious situation is going to get any discussion in this forum it has to be politicized. The majority of political discussions in here take the form of always pointing out how bad the other party is. This story is getting little traction and attention because guess what, both parties have fucked us.

If I would have titled the thread that Democrat Wyden is leading the charge the majority of focus would have been on him instead of what all of the politicians involved in this are asking for.
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What a master. All the rich socialites invite Sly to their events. There are none better.

hoojacks said:
You got my hopes up that republicans actually give a shit about privacy
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Same here. Since Republicans in Congress are all former prosecutors, they may yet get interested if they can start investigations that are heavily-publicized. But since politics, not improving the nation, is their goal, they will probably constrain the publicity only to what Obama supposedly did.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Ain't that many Democrats giving a shit, especially our President.
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That's true, I should have said "politicians" instead. That doesn't change the fact that the conservative view of America is more likely to lead to breaches of privacy. The fact that this is even happening under the THE MOST LIBERAL PRESIDENT EVAR just shows how far right things have gotten.
 
hoojacks said:
That's true, I should have said "politicians" instead. That doesn't change the fact that the conservative view of America is more likely to lead to breaches of privacy. The fact that this is even happening under the THE MOST LIBERAL PRESIDENT EVAR just shows how far right things have gotten.
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The "far right" has a far greater record of being against government interference and control than the left.

But that is the problem and that is why some of our most politically vocal in this forum have gone mute on this. It's easy to blame the other side for all the problems, but when your party is just as guilty as the other side you're left not knowing who to blame.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
The "far right" has a far greater record of being against government interference and control than the left.
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What jlprk said.

Other than that, I said "breaches of privacy," not "government interference."

But that is the problem and that is why some of our most politically vocal in this forum have gone mute on this. It's easy to blame the other side for all the problems, but when your party is just as guilty as the other side you're left not knowing who to blame.
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People do think in terms of party boundaries far too often. If you're a leftie democrat and can't see Obama for the centrist war hawk he is... then you've got some issues.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
If this serious situation is going to get any discussion in this forum it has to be politicized. The majority of political discussions in here take the form of always pointing out how bad the other party is. This story is getting little traction and attention because guess what, both parties have fucked us.
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both parties are the results of a political system where mega-$ are needed to buy enough commercials to run a competitive campaign. Short term cash sell outs win every time over long term do the right thing. If we want the parties to prioritize the country's long term best interest, we need to address this conflicting dynamic

STOMP
 
I'm surprised that Republicans boycotted this thread.
 
This area is one where many Republicans and Democrats can unite. I don't buy the idea that security and freedom are zero sum, that you have to give up one for the other. I think that instead of looking to government to supply your security, you should understand the responsibilities that come with freedom. Be vigilant when looking for anything unusual. Protect yourself rather than expect the government will do it for you. Understand that terrorism will occasionally succeed. Be skeptical of anyone who asks you to give up something for the promise that they'll provide something else for you. In short, be responsible for yourself and for your community.

And three cheers for Ron Wyden. Most honest liberals should stand with him instead of trying to protect the Lil Fascist in the White House. And most conservatives should have the same skepticism for the NSA as they do for HHS and the IRS.
 
maxiep said:
This area is one where many Republicans and Democrats can unite. I don't buy the idea that security and freedom are zero sum, that you have to give up one for the other. I think that instead of looking to government to supply your security, you should understand the responsibilities that come with freedom. Be vigilant when looking for anything unusual. Protect yourself rather than expect the government will do it for you. Understand that terrorism will occasionally succeed. Be skeptical of anyone who asks you to give up something for the promise that they'll provide something else for you. In short, be responsible for yourself and for your community.

And three cheers for Ron Wyden. Most honest liberals should stand with him instead of trying to protect the Lil Fascist in the White House. And most conservatives should have the same skepticism for the NSA as they do for HHS and the IRS.
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Rep'd!

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maxiep said:
This area is one where many Republicans and Democrats can unite. I don't buy the idea that security and freedom are zero sum, that you have to give up one for the other. I think that instead of looking to government to supply your security, you should understand the responsibilities that come with freedom. Be vigilant when looking for anything unusual. Protect yourself rather than expect the government will do it for you. Understand that terrorism will occasionally succeed. Be skeptical of anyone who asks you to give up something for the promise that they'll provide something else for you. In short, be responsible for yourself and for your community.

And three cheers for Ron Wyden. Most honest liberals should stand with him instead of trying to protect the Lil Fascist in the White House. And most conservatives should have the same skepticism for the NSA as they do for HHS and the IRS.
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Well fucking put.
 
Maxiep's right. Intelligence makes sure that elected Democrats are either true believers, or are scared to speak up. The agencies don't have to doublecheck Republicans to make sure.

Then, control the one poll that's been taken (it says most Americans want their every conversation spied upon), and they silence the few elected officials who might speak out.
 
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