Politics Republicans on Climate Change

[wizenheimer]

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[barfo]

Global Waming is old terminology. We call it Climate Chage now.

barfo

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

and next year it will be "unseasonably mild"

 

[tlongII]

Global Waming is old terminology. We call it Climate Chage now.

barfo

Climate Chage huh? Is that Korean or something?

 

[tlongII]

I don't think there is much we can do about it. Other than adapt.

 

[MarAzul]

Global Waming is old terminology. We call it Climate Chage now.

barfo

Why is that barf?

 

[stampedehero]

Classic case of a pure dick head.

 

[stampedehero]

I don't think there is much we can do about it. Other than adapt.

The general population did not fuck up the planet. The sinister shadow government(s) did.

 

[barfo]

Why is that barf?

Because the climate chage wams some places, and cols other places.

barfo

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I know "climate change denyers" exist, but I don't know any of them. I know a lot of people who question how much affect people have on it, if this cycle will be worse than the other cycles of the earth heating and cooling.
I also heard the sun is the least active it's been in a long time which has caused the earth's temperature to cool.
my guess is that people have some affect on it, but I have no idea as to how much. I think the push against it mostly stems from politics though as there is a lot of, whatever cause that side starts fighting for my side will start fighting against it.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I don't think there is much we can do about it. Other than adapt.

Stop procreating. Tax credits for NOT having kids instead of the other way around. Need to curtail population growth, by far the biggest cause of pollution.

Eventually forced sterlization will be mandatory. We will have mass genocide at some point, probably by the chinese.

 

[MarAzul]

Because the climate chage wams some places, and cols other places.

barfo

Why is that barf?

 

[barfo]

Why is that barf?

Becuse scince.

barfo

 

[jonnyboy]

Becuse scince.

Bafo

 

[Five Second Violation]

I know "climate change denyers" exist, but I don't know any of them. I know a lot of people who question how much affect people have on it, if this cycle will be worse than the other cycles of the earth heating and cooling.
I also heard the sun is the least active it's been in a long time which has caused the earth's temperature to cool.
my guess is that people have some affect on it, but I have no idea as to how much. I think the push against it mostly stems from politics though as there is a lot of, whatever cause that side starts fighting for my side will start fighting against it.

Exactly, it's now a sadly politicized issue and the strive for actual scientific progress on understanding the issue has become clouded and neglected. For starters, only the biggest morons (perhaps Trump among them) actively deny that Earth's climate changes, so the "denier" label is a strawman tactic used to trivialize the issue. The actual debate lies around the level of influence humans can have on an extremely complex system like the global climate, and to what extent we can make a difference.

The righties have hijacked the crux of the issue with their desire to lobby on behalf of the fossil fuel industries and obfuscate anything else, and the lefties have hijacked the crux of the issue with their desire to lobby for alternative energy resources and push reckless alarmism above anything else. It's symbolic for where we are as a country right now politically, with a genuinely interesting issue now dominated by lobbyists and the biggest idiots on both sides talking out of both sides of their mouths.

 

[barfo]

Exactly, it's now a sadly politicized issue and the strive for actual scientific progress on understanding the issue has become clouded and neglected.

I don't think the latter part is true, if I'm reading it correctly. I do not think scientists are neglecting the issue at all. It may be that political and civilian understanding of the science has not advanced.

For starters, only the biggest morons (perhaps Trump among them) actively deny that Earth's climate changes, so the "denier" label is a strawman tactic used to trivialize the issue. The actual debate lies around the level of influence humans can have on an extremely complex system like the global climate, and to what extent we can make a difference.

I think for most people in the debate, 'denial' means denial of human causation and/or denial of the severity of the rate of change. Not denial that any change whatsoever is occurring. That said, I agree with you that labeling people deniers isn't helpful - even when I do it.

The righties have hijacked the crux of the issue with their desire to lobby on behalf of the fossil fuel industries and obfuscate anything else, and the lefties have hijacked the crux of the issue with their desire to lobby for alternative energy resources and push reckless alarmism above anything else. It's symbolic for where we are as a country right now politically, with a genuinely interesting issue now dominated by lobbyists and the biggest idiots on both sides talking out of both sides of their mouths.

Well, you have a point there. It's very hard to have a public debate about science, because most people don't have the background (or the time and energy) to make sense of it.

barfo

 

[Road Ratt]

I see the whole argument as being silly. The planet is heating up, who cares what is causing it. We should be working on a solution to the problem rather than arguing over trivial crap.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Here's The Real Connection Between The Brutal Polar Vortex And Global Warming

https://www.sciencealert.com/here-s-how-the-freezing-polar-vortex-is-fueled-by-global-warming

 

[Hoopguru]

Back in the 90 I was in Alaska (Anchorage& Fairbanks) when it got 58 below. I could get home as the airport shut down for several days because of the Barometric Pressure.
The day I landed in Fairbanks a Canadian C120 crashed near Fort Wainwright from the frozen fog.
The jetways gelled up and we had to exit the plane on the tarmac, I took my hot coffee with me and through it in the air and it evaporated, poof!
It was the coldest there in over 25 years.
I remember the Moose were wacky because of starvation and wood come up on peoples porches or jump on vehicles.

 

[MarAzul]

We should be working on a solution to the problem

Indeed!
As soon as we can define the problem(s).

 

[barfo]

I see the whole argument as being silly. The planet is heating up, who cares what is causing it. We should be working on a solution to the problem rather than arguing over trivial crap.

A lot of problems are easier to solve if you understand what caused them.

barfo

 

[Road Ratt]

A lot of problems are easier to solve if you understand what caused them.

barfo

I knew someone would take this the wrong way. Though I do understand. I probably should have explained it better.

As far as the argument goes, the cause of the warming doesn't matter even in the slightest. It's only when it comes to the cleanup that the cause of the warming matters.

They turned the argument into a silly game of words to divide the parties. Keep them from talking to each other and they may not ever figure out that the people they support are no better than the ones they rail against.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I knew someone would take this the wrong way. Though I do understand. I probably should have explained it better.

As far as the argument goes, the cause of the warming doesn't matter even in the slightest. It's only when it comes to the cleanup that the cause of the warming matters.

They turned the argument into a silly game of words to divide the parties. Keep them from talking to each other and they may not ever figure out that the people they support are no better than the ones they rail against.

The real questions for me is how much affect do humans have on it. Is the current warming cycle all that out of line with past warming cycles? will the cooling cycle be greatly altered by whats going on now?
I don't really care about the politics you can say it's all republicans or conservatives or whatever you want to make yourself happy. I just think more research should be done and ideas shouldn't be laughed out of the arena because they don't fall in line with the zeitgeist of current political thoughts and opinions. I've read a lot of opinions of supposedly "qualified" people and they tend to differ quite a bit on the above questions. I'd also like to see environmental impact studies if humans continue to try to intervene, will it eventually make things worse?

 

[Lanny]

Global Waming is old terminology. We call it Climate Chage now.

barfo

That looks like the word 'penis' in Korean. Chagee (chajee).

 

[Lanny]

Climate Chage huh? Is that Korean or something?

Yes, I think he was trying to use the Korean word for penis. I wonder if he meant we're all fucked.

 

[Lanny]

Because the climate chage wams some places, and cols other places.

barfo

Hey, you spell like Trump? Are you in fact he?

 

[Lanny]

I don't think the latter part is true, if I'm reading it correctly. I do not think scientists are neglecting the issue at all. It may be that political and civilian understanding of the science has not advanced.



I think for most people in the debate, 'denial' means denial of human causation and/or denial of the severity of the rate of change. Not denial that any change whatsoever is occurring. That said, I agree with you that labeling people deniers isn't helpful - even when I do it.



Well, you have a point there. It's very hard to have a public debate about science, because most people don't have the background (or the time and energy) to make sense of it.

barfo

You've gotta graduate from grade school first.

 

[Lanny]

Back in the 90 I was in Alaska (Anchorage& Fairbanks) when it got 58 below. I could get home as the airport shut down for several days because of the Barometric Pressure.
The day I landed in Fairbanks a Canadian C120 crashed near Fort Wainwright from the frozen fog.
The jetways gelled up and we had to exit the plane on the tarmac, I took my hot coffee with me and through it in the air and it evaporated, poof!
It was the coldest there in over 25 years.
I remember the Moose were wacky because of starvation and wood come up on peoples porches or jump on vehicles.

I've never been in cold like that but it did hit 29 below zero when I was in St. Louis in the mid 80s. Same year it went up to 113 in the summer. People were dying in the heat. Here's a hint if you plan on moving there, St. Louis is kind of a hell hole.

 

[MARIS61]

Always has, always will, Naturally.

Because the climate chage wams some places, and cols other places.

barfo