Robert Kennedy Jr. Compares Vaccine Debate To Holocaust

[Denny Crane]

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/20...aust-california-lawmakers-banning-exemptions/

SACRAMENTO (CBS SF) – As lawmakers at the State Capitol consider a bill that would no longer allow parents to opt out of vaccinating their children over personal beliefs, vaccination critic Robert Kennedy Jr. waded into the debate at a Sacramento appearance.

Kennedy spoke to a crowd Tuesday screening a film that claims a link between autism in children and thimerosal, an ingredient in vaccines, according to the Sacramento Bee.

“They get the shot, that night they have a fever of a hundred and three, they go to sleep, and three months later their brain is gone,” Kennedy reportedly told the crowd. “This is a holocaust, what this is doing to our country.”

Multiple studies have rejected any link between thimerosal and autism. Even without any link discovered, the ingredient has been removed from nearly all childhood vaccines.

 

[HailBlazers]

While I have no idea about the link to Autism, it is quite Third Reich to force vac's on people.

 

[Denny Crane]

While I have no idea about the link to Autism, it is quite Third Reich to force vac's on people.

I agree with you, but I also think it's close to criminal to not vaccinate children.

The people claiming there's an issue with the vaccines are downright nuts.

We've rid ourselves of a horrible disease, Polio, through vaccines. If some random subset of people don't vaccinate, the disease will come back in force.

Not just Polio, but many diseases. That's just one example.

 

[kjironman1]

Looking for a point here? Are you for or against vaccinations? Do you feel Kennedy is right or wrong?

I agree with you, but I also think it's close to criminal to not vaccinate children.

I am pro Vaccinations. The benefits far outweigh the problems.

 

[Denny Crane]

Looking for a point here? Are you for or against vaccinations? Do you feel Kennedy is right or wrong?

I am pro Vaccinations. The benefits far outweigh the problems.

Point?

RFK Jr. is a dangerous idiot.

I said I am completely for them. Not sure I'm for them at the point of a gun.

 

[kjironman1]

Thimerosal seems to be what he has a problem with more than vaccinations. I am not up to speed on it but i think Thimerosal is used as is some sort of Preservative. I thought they banned it and it doesn't get used anymore?
Going to have to look at it a bit closer. Are they still using it?

 

[Denny Crane]

No. They're not still using it.

Read the first post

 

[barfo]

This is what happens when you go around saying scientists are corrupt liars, Denny. Stupid people start believing that scientists are corrupt liars, and therefore that science is false.

Hey hey, Denny Crane, how many kids did you kill today?

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

RFK Jr and Al Gore. Two peas in a pod.

Both POLITICAL figures talking about science they're completely wrong about.

One of us understands the difference between science and politics. It's not you, bardo.

 

[kjironman1]

Uh oh? I know better than to enter into a "Global Warming" discussion here.

 

[Denny Crane]

Nah. I prefer to point out what an idiot Kennedy is. If barfo wants to defend him, it's not surprising.

 

[kjironman1]

Kennedy is a tree hugger. But he is a smart one. Course that isn't saying much....

 

[Denny Crane]

I wouldn't go hugging any trees. Some dog probably pissed on them first.

 

[MarAzul]

dog probably pissed on them first

You must be really short!

 

[speeds]

 

[Denny Crane]

The problem with this cartoon is that in reality if any one guy stops using his umbrella, everyone else gets wet.

 

[speeds]

New Bill in California would require students to be vaccinated in order to attend public schools

No exemptions for spiritual reasons, only for proven medical reasons (sensitivity to vaccines)

http://diabetesinsider.com/california-lawmakers-press-on-with-new-vaccination-bill/38827

 

[speeds]

The problem with this cartoon is that in reality if any one guy stops using his umbrella, everyone else gets wet.

Maybe he should be splashing.

 

[barfo]

RFK Jr and Al Gore. Two peas in a pod.

Both POLITICAL figures talking about science they're completely wrong about.

One of us understands the difference between science and politics. It's not you, bardo.

Sorry dude, you've been quite clear that you think it is the scientists that are lying, and the science is wrong. Not just an Al Gore issue.

barfo

 

[MARIS61]

All vaccines contain a myriad of poisonous toxins which have been proven to cause a host of adverse reactions, including death, in a significant number of victims. The companies that create them have an obvious, possibly irresistible incentive to use them as a vehicle to create more patients to sell their other drugs to.

A single vaccine can be used to create a deadly epidemic of world-wide proportions, such as AIDS, or something less obvious such as brain damage, both being trillion dollar industries today.

http://www.generationrescue.org/resources/vaccination/vaccine-ingredients-and-side-effects/

Every parent has a duty to decide whether or not to trust their children's welfare to the morals of these massive drug companies and their Department of Homeland Security shill, the CDC.

Cal-Oregon Unvaccinated Survey
"We surveyed over 9,000 boys in California and Oregon and found that vaccinated boys had a 155% greater chance of having a neurological disorder like ADHD or autism than unvaccinated boys." -Generation Rescue, June 26, 2007
Methodology

Generation Rescue commissioned an independent opinion research firm, SurveyUSA of Verona NJ, to conduct a telephone survey in nine counties in California and Oregon. Counties were selected by Generation Rescue. Interviews were successfully completed in 11,817 households with one or more children age 4 to 17. From those 11,817 households, data on 17,674 children was gathered. Of the 17,674 children inventoried, 991 were described as being completely unvaccinated. For each unvaccinated child, a heath battery was administered.

Generation Rescue chose to use telephone interviews with parents to gather data on children, so as to closely mirror the methodology the CDC uses to establish national prevalence for NDs such as ADHD and autism through their national phone survey of parent responses. Generation Rescue chose to focus on children ages 4-17 to match the age range used by CDC.

Are parent responses a reliable indicator of a child's diagnostic status? According to Dr. Laura Schieve, co-author of the CDC's national phone survey study, in discussing the CDC's two phone surveys on autism prevalence, "the consistency of prevalence estimates across the two surveys supports high reliability or reproducibility of parental report of autism and reliability is one important component of validity."

SurveyUSA is a well-known national opinion research firm with unique expertise in canvassing local communities. SurveyUSA has no vested interest in any outcome this or any survey might produce. You can see a copy of the questionnaire used in the survey here. The data the survey intended to capture included:

- Households with a child or children aged 4-17
- Whether or not that child had been vaccinated
- Whether or not that child had any one (or more) of the following diagnosis: ADD, ADHD, Asperger's, PDD-NOS, Autism, Asthma, or Juvenile Diabetes (the final two of which were added to consider other health outcomes).

The results of the survey allowed us to compare the prevalence (what percentage of children have a particular diagnosis) to see if there was any meaningful difference between unvaccinated and vaccinated children.

The most common way to measure prevalence differences is through a calculation known as relative risk or the Risk Ratio, where we compared prevalence amongst unvaccinated children to prevalence amongst vaccinated children. So, if 5% of unvaccinated children have asthma, and 10% of vaccinated children have asthma, that represents an "RR" of 2.0 (10%/5%), or a difference of 100%. We were also able to look at the data by gender, age, and county.

Results

SurveyUSA gathered data on 9,175 boys and 8,499 girls. Counties surveyed in California included:

San Diego
Sonoma
Orange
Sacramento
Marin

Counties surveyed in Oregon included:

Multnomah
Marion
Jackson
Lane

The results of the survey can be accessed as a pdf file here. This is the primary data we received from SurveyUSA and it can be used for anyone to independently analyze our results.

Generation Rescue analyzed the data provided by SurveyUSA, and a copy of our analysis can be found here. The most notable results of our survey are with the boys, which is not surprising considering boys represent approximately 80% of total cases of NDs. Namely:

All vaccinated boys, compared to unvaccinated boys:
- Vaccinated boys were 155% more likely to have a neurological disorder (RR 2.55)
- Vaccinated boys were 224% more likely to have ADHD (RR 3.24)
- Vaccinated boys were 61% more likely to have autism (RR 1.61)

Older vaccinated boys, ages 11-17 (about half the boys surveyed), compared to older unvaccinated boys:
- Vaccinated boys were 158% more likely to have a neurological disorder (RR 2.58)
- Vaccinated boys were 317% more likely to have ADHD (RR 4.17)
- Vaccinated boys were 112% more likely to have autism (RR 2.12)

(Note: older children may be a more reliable indicator because many children are not diagnosed until they are 6-8 years old, and we captured data beginning at age 4.)

All vaccinated boys, removing one county with unusual results (Multnomah, OR), compared to unvaccinated boys:
- Vaccinated boys were 185% more likely to have a neurological disorder (RR 2.85)
- Vaccinated boys were 279% more likely to have ADHD (RR 3.79)
- Vaccinated boys were 146% more likely to have autism (RR 2.46)

All vaccinated boys and girls, compared to unvaccinated boys and girls:
- Vaccinated boys and girls were 120% more likely to have asthma (RR 2.20)
- No correlation established for juvenile diabetes

All vaccinated girls, compared to unvaccinated girls:
- No meaningful differences in prevalence were noted for NDs (which may be due to the smaller sample size of the study because girls represent about 20% of cases.)

Commentary

Generation Rescue is not representing that our study proves that the U.S. vaccine schedule has caused an epidemic in neurological disorders amongst our children. We are a small non-profit organization. For less than $200,000, we were able to complete a study that the CDC, with an $8 billion a year budget, has been unable or unwilling to do. We think the results of our survey lend credibility to the urgent need to do a larger scale study to compare vaccinated and unvaccinated children for neurodevelopmental outcomes.

It is also the opinion of Generation Rescue that we are over-vaccinating our children, and we encourage parents to use caution in how they choose to vaccinate their children, particularly boys. In the vaccine section of our website, we provide additional detail on vaccines and vaccinating safely and provide three alternative vaccine schedules parents may want to consider for their children.

Background:

In 1983, the Centers for Disease Control ("CDC") recommended a total of 10 vaccines for our children up to the age of 5. In 2007, the CDC recommends 36, an increase of 260%, or 3.6x. (See a comparison here).

During this time period, we have witnessed an epidemic of childhood neurological disorders ("NDs"). Today, the CDC estimates that 1 in 13 U.S. children has been diagnosed with ADHD and 1 in 150 has been diagnosed with autism. In the 1980s, ADHD was almost unheard of and autism was estimated to affect 1 in 10,000 children. Boys are significantly more affected by NDs, accounting for approximately 80% of all cases.

Unfortunately, the mainstream media still misreports that the explosive growth in NDs is the results of "better diagnosis" despite the considerable published scientific research to refute this position. As one example, Department of Developmental Services in California, known for keeping the best autism data in the country, issued this report regarding the growth of autism rates in California where they stated:

"There is no evidence that a loosening in the diagnostic criteria has contributed to increased number of autism clients...we conclude that some, if not all, of the observed increase represents a true increase in cases of autism in California...a purely genetic basis for autism does not fully explain the increasing autism prevalence. Other theories that attempt to better explain the observed increase in autism cases include environmental exposures to substances such as mercury; viral exposures; autoimmune disorders; and childhood vaccinations."

Many parents blame vaccines for their children's ND, and many published biological studies seem to support this position, because vaccines contain ingredients capable of causing neurological damage. Yet, no studies have ever been done to compare ND rates of unvaccinated children to vaccinated children. Until now.

(Note: Neurolological disorders include ADD, ADHD, Asperger's, PDD-NOS, and Autism.)

Brief commentary:

There is a lot of misreporting that would lead parents to believe that vaccines have already been scientifically proven to be unrelated to the epidemic of NDs. This is simply not true.

- U.S. children have been analyzed to compare those who received some mercury in their vaccines with those who received more mercury in their vaccines for the outcome of autism (not ADHD). The conclusion of the study was neutral, meaning a link could neither be confirmed nor denied. This study, conducted by the CDC, is the only study ever done using data of U.S. Children.

- Children in several European countries have been analyzed to compare those who received mercury in their shots with those who received no mercury in their shots for the outcome of autism. The conclusions of these studies was that no association was found, although these studies have been disputed. Seewww.putchildrenfirst.org for more details.

- Further, in 2006 the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences, at the request of Senator Joseph Lieberman, issued this report which effectively conceded that both the CDC study of U.S. children and the "Danish Studies" were of poor study design and not reliable in determining whether or not Thimerosal causes autism. As this article from UPI reporter Dan Olmsted noted following the report's release: "For three years, the CDC has used a study conducted on its own Vaccine Safety Datalink to reassure parents that mercury in vaccines does not cause autism. Now a panel of government-appointed experts says there are "serious problems" with exactly the approach the CDC took." Olmsted interviewed the Chairperson of the NIEHS Committee who was quoted as saying:

"It's an 'open question' whether anything about vaccines -- timing, dose, preservative -- is related to the rise in diagnoses [of autism]. Some studies are stronger than others. The Verstraeten [Pediatrics] study was an improvement on other studies including the two in Denmark, both of which had serious weaknesses in their designs that limit what we can learn from them."

- No studies have ever been done to compare ND rates of children who received vaccines with those who received no vaccines, which is what our survey accomplished. Moreover, no studies have ever explored a link between vaccines and ADHD, despite the fact that 1 in 13 U.S. children have this diagnosis (versus 1 in 150 for autism).

- Even the Institute of Medicine, which is often cited in the media for issuing a 2004 report refuting the relationship between mercury and autism, held a 2007 workshop on "autism and the environment" that featured "presentations and discussions on strategies for research focusing on the potential relationship between autism and an array of environmental exposures."

The glaring absence of a study to compare vaccinated and unvaccinated children for ND rates caused Congresswoman Carolyn Maloney (D-NY) to introduce this bill to compel the National Institutes of Health to do such a study.

 

[Denny Crane]

Sorry dude, you've been quite clear that you think it is the scientists that are lying, and the science is wrong. Not just an Al Gore issue.

barfo

I see an agenda in one case, and it's plenty obvious.

I don't see the agenda for those supporting vaccines. Plus the results are measurable, not hypothetical results of bullshit computer models.

I never said all science is wrong. On that, YOU are (as usual) wrong.

 

[kjironman1]

I see an agenda in one case, and it's plenty obvious.

I don't see the agenda for those supporting vaccines. Plus the results are measurable, not hypothetical results of bullshit computer models.

I never said all science is wrong. On that, YOU are (as usual) wrong.

What a piece of crap comeback!
C'mon Denny, he never said that you said "All Science is Wrong". He said you think the scientist are lying and that the science is wrong concerning Global Warming. You even say in the line before that you see an "Agenda".
Try to stay on topic here. You did the same thing yesterday on another thread.
Losing all respect for the way you are conducting yourself on here.
It's pitiful! You are smarter than that and again it's an insult to some pretty sharp people on here.

 

[Denny Crane]

What a piece of crap comeback!
C'mon Denny, he never said that you said "All Science is Wrong". He said you think the scientist are lying and that the science is wrong concerning Global Warming. You even say in the line before that you see an "Agenda".
Try to stay on topic here. You did the same thing yesterday on another thread.
Losing all respect for the way you are conducting yourself on here.
It's pitiful! You are smarter than that and again it's an insult to some pretty sharp people on here.

No he says I think the scientists are wrong about vaccines being harmful.

I think the science is right about a lot of things. I've said so plenty of times.

So barfo' two posts are simply full of shit.

 

[barfo]

No he says I think the scientists are wrong about vaccines being harmful.

Nope, didn't say that.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Nope, didn't say that.

barfo

Backpedal. Fine.

 

[barfo]

Backpedal. Fine.

Nope, just didn't say that. No backpedaling needed, the posts are right there for you to reread.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

I did.

Your first post was just silly.

When a RFK Jr or Gore hawks "science," idiot democrats will believe it. Apparently MARIS61, too.

Both Gore and his royal highness RFK are wrong on the science.

 

[jlprk]

So barfo' two posts are simply full of shit.

Nope, didn't say that.

You knew I would start reading the thread here. Why did you make the obvious denial of the nonobvious?

Both political parties are right. Let them both do what they want.

The California state legislature should amend the law: Democrats are required to be vaccinated against horrible diseases. Republicans aren't allowed to be vaccinated.

 

[Denny Crane]

You knew I would start reading the thread here. Why did you say that?

Both political parties are right. Let them both do what they want.

The California state legislature should amend the law: Democrats are required to be vaccinated against horrible diseases. Republicans aren't allowed to be vaccinated.

Even if they somehow passed the laws like you suggest, Democrats would get all the diseases anyway.

 

[kjironman1]

The California state legislature should amend the law: Democrats are required to be vaccinated against horrible diseases. Republicans aren't allowed to be vaccinated.

That is fucking priceless!
Maybe there is a way to get the republicans to move to China where they can hire lots of cheap labor and there isn't any Global Warming. They can cut down as many trees as they can find and run their coal burning power plants. Oh yeah? There isn't any trees there. Never mind.