Rose Bowl not quite in the Ducks court

[Nate Dogg]

Ducks will probably beat Oregon State and its probable that USC will beat UCLA. Ducks and the Trojans will then meet again in the Pac-12 championship game. USC is not bowl eligible. However, in the past a Pac-10 team has not been in the Rose Bowl as these examples.

Jan 1, 2011: TCU 21 Wisconsin 19
Jan 1, 2005: Texas 38 Michigan 37
Jan 3, 2002: Miami 37 Nebraska 14

There is new guidelines for the Rose Bowl Selectivity.

A new provision of the BCS bowl selection process will be enacted during the 2010-11 season, providing the annual Rose Bowl, held in Pasadena, California, an opportunity to break from tradition and host a non-BCS conference member for the New Years Day bowl.

Starting with the 2011 Rose Bowl and extending until the 2014 edition of the granddaddy of them all, the first time the Rose Bowl loses one of its traditional hosts (Big Ten or Pac-10 Champion) to the BCS National Championship Game, and a non-BCS team automatically qualifies for the BCS, that non-BCS team will be selected by the Rose Bowl.

As a reminder, these are the ways in which a non-BCS conference member can automatically receive a BCS bowl bid:

Be a member of the five non-BCS conferences, win at least nine games and either:
Be ranked in the top-12 in the final BCS standings.
Be ranked in the top-16 in the final BCS standings, and rank ahead of at least one of the six BCS conference champions.
As in past years, only one non-BCS conference school can automatically qualify for a BCS bid. If more than one team does meet the criteria, it will be considered for an at-large bid by the BCS bowls.

If neither the Big Ten nor Pac-10 champions are selected for the BCS National Championship Game, the Rose Bowl will continue to honor its contract with the two conferences and host the two teams for its traditional pairing.

In the case that a non-AQ school is selected to play in the BCS National Championship Game, the Rose Bowl will not be held to fulfilling this provision as that school would be the “automatically qualifying non-AQ school.” However, the Rose Bowl could still decide to take a non-AQ team, which would clear the bowl of its responsibility for the four year period.

The provision is only temporary for 2011 to 2014, and will only apply once. Once the provision is met the first time, it will no longer apply.

Source: http://www.bcsknowhow.com/new-rose-bowl-selection-process-explained

 

[RR7]

USC can't play in Pac-12 championship game.

 

[RR7]

Also, that says if Pac-12 team makes NC game. And, well, that's not happening.

 

[ABM]

Also, that says if Pac-12 team makes NC game. And, well, that's not happening.

Oddly enough, Stanford might still have a shot if:

Bama loses to Auburn
Arkansas loses to LSU
Virginia Tech loses to Clemson in the ACC Championship

 

[ABM]

Oddly enough, Stanford might still have a shot if:

Bama loses to Auburn
Arkansas loses to LSU
Virginia Tech loses to Clemson in the ACC Championship

That would be TOO wild if the Ducks won the PAC-12, yet Stanford went to the Natty.

 

[Nate Dogg]

RR7: Your right about USC. So at this rate it could be the following teams that could play the Ducks in the championship game.

If Utah beats Colorado: Utah (5-4 conference) 8-4 overall then this would be a very easy pac-12 championship.
If UCLA beats USC: UCLA (6-3 conference) 7-5 overall then this would be fairly easy pac-12 championship.
Arizona St just lost to Arizona: So I doubt Arizona St is going to beat Cal so this probably won't work.

My feeling is that the Ducks will play Utah in the championship, since UCLA is weaker than USC.

 

[Mediocre Man]

LOL if Utah somehow goes to the Rose Bowl

 

[Targus]

Comprehension a weak point much? LOL.

1. USC can't go to Pac12 Champ game
2. Your link states, "the first time the Rose Bowl loses one of its traditional hosts (Big Ten or Pac-10 Champion) to the BCS National Championship Game, and a non-BCS team automatically qualifies for the BCS, that non-BCS team will be selected by the Rose Bowl." That isn't happening.

You are correct. Pasadena is not exactly in the Ducks court. But, it is in our sights and most likely in our future. I'll be there, either way. I'll just have more fun with Oregon there too, lol.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

That would be TOO wild if the Ducks won the PAC-12, yet Stanford went to the Natty.

Nonetheless, it could happen.

 

[Nate Dogg]

The espn commentators mentioned this on the Civil war game. It is possible since Stanford is ahead of Oregon in the BCS rankings, Stanford can still be selected to the Rose Bowl with only one loss to Oregon. Oregon has two losses. I won't be surprised if this happens since Stanford is taking on #22 Notre Dame (8-3) tonight in 32 minutes. If Stanford wins this, then this could happen.

 

[Targus]

Seems to be some confusion on this. Tournament of Roses has an agreement to take the Pac 12 Champ. If Oregon wins on Dec 2nd, they are going to The Rose Bowl. Earlier you cited an amendment to the agreement, which only changes if a Pac team is in the NC game. Doesn't appear that will happen and even if Stanford DID go to the NC game (highly unlikely) Oregon could still go, based on CONFERENCE record.

Wisconsin and Michigan State will battle for the Big Ten Champ and a trip to the Rose Bowl. Wisconsin is 10-2 (6-2) and MSU is 10-2 (7-1).

See how that agreement works?

But after Oregon's loss to USC, the Ducks are out of the national title picture and Stanford finds itself alone in first place in the Pac-12 North, a half-game ahead of the Ducks. If Oregon loses to Oregon State on Saturday, Stanford will host the Pac-12 title game.

However, if the Ducks beat Oregon State, Oregon and Stanford would finish tied for first and Oregon would earn a berth in the Pac-12 title game based on its win over Stanford, which would be left out of the Rose Bowl picture.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_bids_to_college_bowl_games

http://articles.sfgate.com/2011-11-...dings-oregon-state-national-championship-game

 

[Natebishop3]

Yeah I don't think there's any confusion.

 

[Nate Dogg]

Then I guess espn commentators know nothing. Bad insight on their report.

 

[Targus]

Possibly. Was it Huard? lol. Good game, Nate. Better luck next year.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

If we beat UCLA, we're Rose Bowl bound.

 

[Ed O]

The rules that Nate posted look like they would apply if Stanford played for the Natty AND Houston automatically qualified. The odds of both of those things happening seem very very slim to me. Alabama winning today basically locks them into the BCS championship game.

Ed O.

 

[Da_O]

The rules that Nate posted look like they would apply if Stanford played for the Natty AND Houston automatically qualified. The odds of both of those things happening seem very very slim to me. Alabama winning today basically locks them into the BCS championship game.

Ed O.

Not quite. By rule, no more than two teams per conference can be sent to BCS bowl games. If Georgia beats LSU in the SEC championship game, then Georgia would get the automatic qualifying bid to the Sugar Bowl, which would make up one of the teams from the SEC.

It would then be up to the BCS voters and its computers to decide which SEC team they would like to play in the NC game, Alabama or LSU? My guess would still be LSU, which by rule would mean that Alabama wouldn't even be able to play in any of the BCS bowl games.

EDIT: I think I read the rule wrong and I believe what I wrote is incorrect after having read this.

No more than two teams from a conference may be selected, regardless of whether they are automatic qualifiers or at-large selections, unless two non-champions from the same conference are ranked No. 1 and No. 2 in the final BCS Standings.

 

[Da_O]

Bottom line - This system sucks.

 

[Nate Dogg]

Wow, Oregon #9 in the BCS rankings. They need to blank UCLA to move up 2 slots.

 

[Rhal]

Wow, Oregon #9 in the BCS rankings. They need to blank UCLA to move up 2 slots.

love it. Arkansas Razorbacks is 9/10th in harris and coaches and were 7th in both yet because of the stupid SEC loving computer were 9th and ark is 8th,

 

[Ed O]

love it. Arkansas Razorbacks is 9/10th in harris and coaches and were 7th in both yet because of the stupid SEC loving computer were 9th and ark is 8th,

Lack of (proper) punctuation made that post about 30 times harder to read than it should have been. Haha.

Ed o.

 

[Ed O]

I can see why Arkansas is ranked ahead of us, though... we've both lost to LSU and they lost to Alabama while we lost to USC. Alabama >> USC, so it's entirely defensible that Arkansas would be ahead of us in the rankings.

Ed O.

 

[Nate Dogg]

Possibly. Was it Huard? lol. Good game, Nate. Better luck next year.

Then what BCS bowl is Stanford going mr no-it all ?

Yes, the Beavs have a lot of work to do next year. But, its amazing how some Duck fans gloat, when Mr. Knight feeds the school money and equipment. Ever think if UO didn't have Mr. Knight? Where would UO be then? Some UO fans like yourself think of Oregon State as blue collar with all its losses, little brother, problems, etc. I guess respect towards Beaver fans is something you don't grasp because you are so up on yourself and your team. Do you own financial stock in UO? You are just one of hundreds of UO fans that are arrogant with such worthless class that I always run into. Do I create negative posts constantly on your Duck forums about your team, coaches, etc? No I don't. I at least show class. Class is something I have yet to see from you.

 

[Targus]

Wow. Not sure where to start here. Stanford will most likely go to Fiesta and face Oklahoma St. Try to understand the agreement. Pac12 Champ goes to Rose Bowl. If Oregon beats UCLA (97.89% probability) they will go to the Rose Bowl. They will face the winner of Wisconsin vs MSU. You cool with that?

Got it? LOL

Have I ever t"hink" if UO didn't have Knight? Sure. I have been a Duck fan dating back to roughly 1982. Sheesh it was a hand to mouth time of limited resources, attendance, success - but we had a great time. Ever think about where OSU would be without the Reser family?

You seem obsessed with attacking my posts. Feel free to continue as it doesn't bother me and you're only proving yourself a heel. I've told you that I've probably been more involved and vested with time, effort and my own money into Oregon State athletics than you - so if you'd like to compare notes, feel free to message me. No, this doesn't mean I'm better than anyone else, and I don't claim to be. I have an opinion, one I'm entitled to, and will continue with.

So, fire away. Just try not to tell others how to post. You really come off as playing the fool to a T.

Good luck next year. Good luck on that class you boast about. Carry on...

 

[Nate Dogg]

...Feel free to continue as it doesn't bother me and you're only proving yourself a heel.....

You seem obsessed with attacking my posts. Feel free to continue as it doesn't bother me and you're only proving yourself a heel. I have an opinion, one I'm entitled to, and will continue with.

So, fire away. Just try not to tell others how to post. You really come off as playing the fool to a T.

Interesting choice of slangs instead of using descriptive words.

I attacked your posts when you started posting superficial fake beaver material condoning the teams lack of winning.

 

[barfo]

Interesting choice of slangs instead of using descriptive words.

I attacked your posts when you started posting superficial fake beaver material condoning the teams lack of winning.

I believe that's what's known as a merkin.

barfo

 

[Targus]

I believe that's what's known as a merkin.

barfo

LOL - had to google that one!

@natedogg, so you're saying you attack my posts, while boating of how classy you've been. Irony escaping you?

 

[Sinobas]

What am I missing? I don't see how anything you posted supports your idea that the Ducks might not go to the Rose bowl. It says quite clearly that if the winners of the big10 and pac10 are not in the title game, they'll be in the rose bowl. Those years you listed, where a non pac10 team was in it, was because the pac10 winner was in the BCS title game.....seems pretty straight forward to me.

 

[PapaG]

The espn commentators mentioned this on the Civil war game. It is possible since Stanford is ahead of Oregon in the BCS rankings, Stanford can still be selected to the Rose Bowl with only one loss to Oregon. Oregon has two losses. I won't be surprised if this happens since Stanford is taking on #22 Notre Dame (8-3) tonight in 32 minutes. If Stanford wins this, then this could happen.

Um, no. Winner of UCLA/Oregon goes to the Rose Bowl, regardless of Stanford finishing 11-1. BCS rankings have literally nothing to do with who goes to the Rose Bowl this year.

 

[PapaG]

What am I missing? I don't see how anything you posted supports your idea that the Ducks might not go to the Rose bowl. It says quite clearly that if the winners of the big10 and pac10 are not in the title game, they'll be in the rose bowl. Those years you listed, where a non pac10 team was in it, was because the pac10 winner was in the BCS title game.....seems pretty straight forward to me.

Somewhat true. In 2002, Oregon went to the Fiesta Bowl because the Rose Bowl was the BCS title game. There were only 4 BCS games back then, and one of them became the 'title game' between #1 and #2. Same with USC/Texas in 2005, and last year, it was because Oregon qualified for the BCS title game.