Roy getting less touches

[magnifier661]

I don't think he's truly getting less touches in the scheme of the new offense. I think Nate is understanding that you let Roy coast a little more during the first couple of quarters and bring him in during the 3rd and 4th quarters. The reason why I think he's not going to have less shots is because I think he's a 4th quarter baller. Since our last 3 games were basically "blow-outs" we sat our starters in the 4th, where I suspect Roy to have the majority of shots.

Just look at the SAS game, that was getting close in the late 3rd and early 4th quarters. Roy scored 11 points and had the ball in his hands for most the 4th. To me, this is a much better strategy that will help Roy stay healthy and have him play his game when the defenders are much more tired.

P.S. I was trying to find the thread I wanted to reply this on, but couldn't find it.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

In a way, Roy is the odd man on the team these days. We have to be a lot more accomadating for him than other players.

 

[magnifier661]

In a way, Roy is the odd man on the team these days. We have to be a lot more accomadating for him than other players.

But are we? What if those games with Minny and Memphis close? I suspect Roy would be used more. In those 3 games, Roy barely played in the 4th, with two of them playing 0 minutes.

If we can keep blowing teams out like we have against those lower quality teams, ie. Sacramento, Minny, Memphis, Charlotte, Jersey, New York, Washington, Clips, and Golden State. We can take a page out of Chicago's dynasty's book and sit your stars in the 4th.

Keeps them healthy, plus adds more experience to the role players and youth.

 

[hasoos]

Well he does have a family now, so he doesn't have to touch himself so often anymore. Oh BASKETBALL touches. My bad!

 

[Haakzilla]

But are we? What if those games with Minny and Memphis close? I suspect Roy would be used more. In those 3 games, Roy barely played in the 4th, with two of them playing 0 minutes.

If we can keep blowing teams out like we have against those lower quality teams, ie. Sacramento, Minny, Memphis, Charlotte, Jersey, New York, Washington, Clips, and Golden State. We can take a page out of Chicago's dynasty's book and sit your stars in the 4th.

Keeps them healthy, plus adds more experience to the role players and youth.

...I like where you are going with all of this, it seems most logical to me [the dynasty begins in 2010!!!]

 

[Nikolokolus]

I liken Roy's situation to people who are longterm caregivers for family members. After awhile it's really easy for people to get sucked into feeling like they have to carry the weight of the world on their shoulders, even when the person they care for is sometimes a lot more able bodied and capable than they appear because the caregiver does everything for them. After awhile this pattern sort of sets up into a nearly unbreakable pattern of co-dependence. That's how I see the team right now, with Greg stepping up and being more of a go to guy and the addition of a playmaker like Miller in the mix ... it almost feels like the team has hired a home-health nurse to take care of grandpa, and as it turns out grandpa isn't nearly as bedridden and helpless as he let on.

Right now I get the feeling that Roy has been in control for so long and has been asked to carry so much of a load that it's a real adjustment for him to realize that the team doesn't need his heroics as much as it once did ... which is not to say they won't need those heroics on some nights and during the playoffs he's going to be needed to step up and carry a huge load, but for now the rest of the team needs to be counted on and made accountable for their production; they need confidence in their own abilities so when the time comes for them to make a big shot in the clutch they'll be less likely to choke.

Using another analogy it's sort of like we need a lead actor and some really great supporting actors, not a one man show with some extras sprinkled in. Maybe that's what this transition is all about, Roy taking a momentary break so other guys can flourish a bit ... I just hope the rest of them know enough to realize that there will come a time when they also need to sacrifice and let their best player go to work.

 

[magnifier661]

...I like where you are going with all of this, it seems most logical to me [the dynasty begins in 2010!!!]

Well I don't see why fans wanting to embrace it really. Of course Roy can score 30 a game if he have to, but does he really have to? Will the NBA and fans around the league look at him less, just because he's not winning scoring titles? Notoriety comes with success mainly. Of course being a high flying dunk fest is like an adrenaline rush to lower B-Ball IQ fans, but for the most part, savvy fans are fans of winning and winners. When I mean "winning and winners" I mean players that want to win and making sacrifices to get wins.

For me, the prime example is Magic Johnson. The dude had all the skills to be a 25 point scorer a night, but would rather rack up the assists and make his team all look like all stars.

And why not embrace our stars sitting out in the 4th? Wouldn't it be better in the long run, giving burn to our role players and youngsters? I mean in all seriousness, the more they play together, the stronger our team will be.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Well he does have a family now, so he doesn't have to touch himself so often anymore. Oh BASKETBALL touches. My bad!

It takes a village.

 

[magnifier661]

I liken Roy's situation to people who are longterm caregivers for family members. After awhile it's really easy for people to get sucked into feeling like they have to carry the weight of the world on their shoulders, even when the person they care for is sometimes a lot more able bodied and capable than they appear because the caregiver does everything for them. After awhile this pattern sort of sets up into a nearly unbreakable pattern of co-dependence. That's how I see the team right now, with Greg stepping up and being more of a go to guy and the addition of a playmaker like Miller in the mix ... it almost feels like the team has hired a home-health nurse to take care of grandpa, and as it turns out grandpa isn't nearly as bedridden and helpless as he let on.

Right now I get the feeling that Roy has been in control for so long and has been asked to carry so much of a load that it's a real adjustment for him to realize that the team doesn't need his heroics as much as it once did ... which is not to say they won't need those heroics on some nights and during the playoffs he's going to be needed to step up and carry a huge load, but for now the rest of the team needs to be counted on and made accountable for their production; they need confidence in their own abilities so when the time comes for them to make a big shot in the clutch.

Using another analogy it's sort of like we need a lead actor and some really great supporting actors, not a one man show with some extras sprinkled in. Maybe that's what this transition is all about, Roy taking a momentary break so other guys can flourish a bit ... I just hope the rest of them know enough to realize that there will come a time when they also need to sacrifice and let their best player go to work.

Very nice analogy regarding the Old timer so used to doing everything himself, then having to accept others doing it for him.

Why I agree with this is, the NBA is not a one man show. It's a team effort. Of course you have your star players, but to truly win in this game, you need a strong supporting cast.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Very nice analogy regarding the Old timer so used to doing everything himself, then having to accept others doing it for him.

Why I agree with this is, the NBA is not a one man show. It's a team effort. Of course you have your star players, but to truly win in this game, you need a strong supporting cast.

Actually I envisioned Roy as the care-giver and the rest of the team as "grandpa."

When Brandon came here this team was a dysfunctional mess that needed a complete change of mentality, image, style ... everything. KP and Nate put the team on Roy's back and said carry us (both on and off the court) now there are enough players and talent that this type of "carrying" isn't as needed and in some ways is almost counter-productive for the team (and for Roy). It's tough to let go of responsibility sometimes, especially when carrying that responsibility becomes sort of ingrained as a part of someone's identity.