Roy isn't as mature as we thought

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Roy picks and chooses the games he shows up for. Superstars show up every game. It's that simple. Kobe, Lebron, KD, Dirk and Nash would have had 28+ last night. That's also why their teams we are looking to catch every year, it's not rocket science!

Dirk had 24 points on 22 shots in a double-digit home loss to Orlando.

Roy had 14 points on 13 shots in a double-digit road loss to Denver.

I suppose Roy could have shot even more, but then I'd be reading about how selfish he was last night.
 
hcp... roy is an all star but not a tier 1 all star.

tier 1 all stars like durant win titles. guys like roy are first round exits annually.

Nobody is saying he is. You guys are on here saying he is our team's problem now! Getg the fuck out of here with that shit.
 
Nobody is saying he is. You guys are on here saying he is our team's problem now! Getg the fuck out of here with that shit.

Exactly. Roy just needs some support.

IMO your #2 scorer needs to have the ability to be a #1 scorer when the #1 scorer is struggling or goes down with injury. We don't have that. When Roy is struggling or goes down with injury, there is not one player with the ability to step up on this team. That is the problem.
 
yah but he always gets free passes from the fans....

roy isnt as good as osme make him out to be. hes a very very good player but not a superstar.

superstars win titles.... roy types make the playoffs yearly. LA types watch and add a jumper here and there.
 
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yah but he always gets free passes from the fans....

roy isnt as good as osme make him out to be. hes a very very good player but not a superstar.

superstars win titles.... roy types make the playoffs yearly. LA types watch and add a jumper here and there.

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tier 1 all stars like durant win titles. guys like roy are first round exits annually.

You should wait until Durant actually PLAYS a game in the playoffs let alone win a first round series before you clump Durant into the "wins titles"...
 
You should wait until Durant actually PLAYS a game in the playoffs let alone win a first round series before you clump Durant into the "wins titles"...

Durant gets to the line more the anyone else... that means he is a superstar and deserves a championship right?
 
Let's all just face it... Roy will never be an all-star player in this league.

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yah but he always gets free passes from the fans....

roy isnt as good as osme make him out to be. hes a very very good player but not a superstar.

superstars win titles.... roy types make the playoffs yearly. LA types watch and add a jumper here and there.

Barkley/Dominique/Stockton/Payton/Karl Malone................ Titles-0

I would consider there players superstars.
 
Barkley/Dominique/Stockton/Payton/Karl Malone................ Titles-0

I would consider there players superstars.

Payton finally won in Miami. But I agree with your post
 
I stand corrected.

plus it was better that I mention it, instead of someone who would mention it and be a total Dick about it. I got your back Paisano :pimp:
 
Barkley/Dominique/Stockton/Payton/Karl Malone................ Titles-0

I would consider there players superstars.

I agree that titles do not define superstars.

OTOH, the only guy on that list I would call an undisputed "superstar" is Sir Charles. Stockton and Malone are debatable. "Nique and Payton were just very good players.
 
I agree that titles do not define superstars.

OTOH, the only guy on that list I would call an undisputed "superstar" is Sir Charles. Stockton and Malone are debatable. "Nique and Payton were just very good players.

'Nique not a superstar? GTFO.
 
If anybody on that list is not a "superstar" it's GP. How can you say the others aren't. Just curious.
 
If anybody on that list is not a "superstar" it's GP. How can you say the others aren't. Just curious.

I agree with Uncle Ty. To be a "superstar" you should consistently be a candidate for one of the top 5 guys in the league. GP, Stockton, and "Nique were rarely, if ever, in that discussion. Malone sometimes was...but I am not sure he was really more deserving than the other 3. :dunno:
 
Theres a reason Stockton is #1 in assists leading kidd by almost 5000. If you consider Durant a superstar I don't know how you can discount either Stockton or Malone as being a superstar.
 
I agree with Uncle Ty. To be a "superstar" you should consistently be a candidate for one of the top 5 guys in the league. GP, Stockton, and "Nique were rarely, if ever, in that discussion. Malone sometimes was...but I am not sure he was really more deserving than the other 3. :dunno:

If that's your definition, most of the Hall of Fame is made up of non-superstars, even most of the top-50. I think that's too restrictive.

But regardless, Malone was easily a top-five player throughout his career. I don't see why you'd say he was only sometimes top-five and not even be sure he deserved that. He was the standard for power forwards until Tim Duncan, and it's still perfectly debatable who the greatest power forward ever is between Malone and Duncan.

Stockton would have been the greatest point guard of his generation if not for Magic Johnson. Does being one of the top five ever at your position make you a superstar, because it's hard to find five point guards who were better than Stockton. Oscar Robertson and Magic Johnson clearly were, but after that Stockton has as good an argument as anyone for the next best.

I think Payton is criminally under-appreciated because defense isn't easily encapsulated in numbers. While Payton was a fine scorer and play-maker (and rebounder, for that matter), he was arguably the greatest defender ever at his position and one of the greatest perimeter defenders ever. Being perhaps the greatest defender at his position along with his high level of productivity also puts him in the top-five at his position all-time, in my opinion.

I agree with you on 'Nique. He's a superstar only insofar as Vince Carter was: flashy, marketable, easy face for the league. He had superstar fame, but not the productivity/defense.
 
I agree that titles do not define superstars.

OTOH, the only guy on that list I would call an undisputed "superstar" is Sir Charles. Stockton and Malone are debatable. "Nique and Payton were just very good players.

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If that's your definition, most of the Hall of Fame is made up of non-superstars, even most of the top-50. I think that's too restrictive.

But regardless, Malone was easily a top-five player throughout his career. I don't see why you'd say he was only sometimes top-five and not even be sure he deserved that. He was the standard for power forwards until Tim Duncan, and it's still perfectly debatable who the greatest power forward ever is between Malone and Duncan.

Stockton would have been the greatest point guard of his generation if not for Magic Johnson. Does being one of the top five ever at your position make you a superstar, because it's hard to find five point guards who were better than Stockton. Oscar Robertson and Magic Johnson clearly were, but after that Stockton has as good an argument as anyone for the next best.

I think Payton is criminally under-appreciated because defense isn't easily encapsulated in numbers. While Payton was a fine scorer and play-maker (and rebounder, for that matter), he was arguably the greatest defender ever at his position and one of the greatest perimeter defenders ever. Being perhaps the greatest defender at his position along with his high level of productivity also puts him in the top-five at his position all-time, in my opinion.

I agree with you on 'Nique. He's a superstar only insofar as Vince Carter was: flashy, marketable, easy face for the league. He had superstar fame, but not the productivity/defense.

I was thinking the exact same thing ... he was absolutely dominant at that end of the court.
 
I agree with Uncle Ty. To be a "superstar" you should consistently be a candidate for one of the top 5 guys in the league. GP, Stockton, and "Nique were rarely, if ever, in that discussion. Malone sometimes was...but I am not sure he was really more deserving than the other 3. :dunno:
though he was an all time douchebag, Karl Malone made the All NBA 1st team 11 straight years... thats a bit more then sometimes

http://www.nba.com/history/awards_allnba.html

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