Sharpe or Scoot

[1 Eye Jack]

Assume one or both have to included in any big trade. Which player would you hate to see traded?

 

[twobullz]

Personally I hope neither is traded, but no option for that.

 

[Cugel]

I feel like Scoot really wants to win and would keep him over Shae

 

[HoopsFanAZ]

I voted either.
If I HAD to pick one, I'd keep Scoot as his "want to" is more obvious on the defensive end, and I'm seeing some "need to" in him ... and Dame and Jrue are short-timers. Besides, in any "big trade," I'm assuming both Scoot and Shaedon are in it and don't want Clingan going out.

 

[blazerkor]

I like them both a lot still. I hope we don't trade either guy. If I had to choose one it would be Scoot. Especially with Jrue and Dame on the roster, I think Sharpe gives us something very different from those two.

Again I'm rooting for both guys being on the roster, Jrue being moved and us having a three guard rotation of Dame, Shaedon and Scoot.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

I like them both a lot still. I hope we don't trade either guy. If I had to choose one it would be Scoot. Especially with Jrue and Dame on the roster, I think Sharpe gives us something very different from those two.

Again I'm rooting for both guys being on the roster, Jrue being moved and us having a three guard rotation of Dame, Shaedon and Scoot.

Idk, I kinda feel like we need Jrue in order to have someone that can play lockdown defense at a guard position. Scoot has some potential but Dame isn't a defender and Sharpe hasn't shown much there either.

I'm not really concerned which one it is, but I think one of Scoot or Sharpe get moved this offseason.

 

[kjironman1]

Sharpe can play defense. I’ve watched it.
My choice is both. Hate to see either gone yet.
Both need a solid year without injuries.

 

[twobullz]

Idk, I kinda feel like we need Jrue in order to have someone that can play lockdown defense at a guard position. Scoot has some potential but Dame isn't a defender and Sharpe hasn't shown much there either.

I'm not really concerned which one it is, but I think one of Scoot or Sharpe get moved this offseason.

I think Jrue has lost a step and will continue to slow down on defense. I don't know what the numbers say, just my observation. I would like to see him go and let Scoot and Shae grow.

 

[inconceivable]

Both will be superstars a year upon leaving

 

[wizenheimer]

I'd be willing to give each another year. And I'm ok with one being including in a trade for a star

I'd prefer to keep Sharpe over Scoot

 

[MrDraftGuy]

Both are pretty bad, in terms of advanced stats.

That said, Sharpe's VORP, BPM, W/S, PER isn't all that different from Deni, Brown, Derozan, Lavine, Brunson at 22 or 23 years of age. I think people need to stop looking at Sharpe as a 4th year player and more like what has this guy accomplished at 22? This is especially since he is literally prep-to-pro w/ Covid shutting out his HS development years.

We all know his first three weeks were bad due to the injury but are we also going to ignore that these first few weeks actually skew the numbers & that Sharpe's 3pt% was 37% for the rest of the season? If "healthy Sharpe" is 37% and was crucial to those 9 wins in January, would we really be complaining?

If Portland can get Brown without sacrificing picks, it makes sense to trade Sharpe. Though, from what I know about Brown, I don't think Brown would commit very long to Portland.

If it costs Portland most of its picks, it's not worth it (and that has always been my concern with such trades).

I think everyone is just freaking out for no reason when Portland should really look to emulate what the Spurs & Thunder did by accumulating draft picks & using them rather than chasing shorterm trades that gut depth & picks.

I see no reason to give up on an "under 25 years old core" that is playing .500 basketball. This is where Houston, Detroit, San Antonio, & OKC were just a few years ago. Then, they made the jump by adding key veterans (Fox, Tobias, Fred/KD, Hartenstein/Caruso). Portland's veteran is Dame.

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Also, I'd think Scoot hasn't really had a fair shot, here, either. Again, 22/23 years old is when I'd judge him. He looked decent in the playoffs, in terms of effort and two good games. But I'd want to see him play under control more. Three point shot looks fine for the last month and a half. Looks like he really cares about basketball. But sometimes he gets a little too cocky and too in love with his own hype (I swear, if Shaedon & Scoot could trade personalities, they'd probably be perfect).

What really makes or breaks Scoot is the Assist:TO ratio. If he cannot figure out a 2:1 ratio, he's cooked as an NBA PG.

That's all there is, to it. I don't see a reason to trade him unless a wing/forward player like Franz Wagner or even Tre Murphy III were available.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Both will be superstars a year upon leaving

Well then we owe it to them to trade them, because they ain't going to be superstars here

 

[wizenheimer]

I think everyone is just freaking out for no reason when Portland should really look to emulate what the Spurs & Thunder did by accumulating draft picks & using them rather than chasing shorterm trades that gut depth & picks.

I see no reason to give up on an "under 25 years old core" that is playing .500 basketball. This is where Houston, Detroit, San Antonio, & OKC were just a few years ago. Then, they made the jump by adding key veterans (Fox, Tobias, Fred/KD, Hartenstein/Caruso). Portland's veteran is Dame.

I just don't see any significant correlation between Portland and the OKC/San Antonio templates.

The Spurs and the Blazers were tanking at the same time and the Spurs just had extraordinarily more luck. They had a 1st, a 2nd, and a 4th pick. Blazers had a 7th, a 3rd, and a 7th pick. Spurs got Wemby-Castle-Harper; Blazers got Sharpe-Scoot-Clingan. Game-set-match. Spurs had a 29th pick and used it on Keldon Johnson, the 6MOY; Blazers had a 23rd pick and used it on Kris Murray. Spurs had an 11th pick and used it on Devin Vassell; Blazers had an 11th pick and used it to get Yang.

Spurs landed Fox by trading their 2025 first, lottery protected. But the encumbrance was only 1 year, and the Spurs were in the lottery so they only gave up a 2nd. Portland landed Nance by trading a lottery protected first with a 7 year encumbrance and ended up losing a 1st in the strongest draft in years, and that was more than 4 years AFTER Nance was traded away by the Blazers, and that was after he had only played 37 games for Portland. Spurs do have to convey their 2027 1st, but that's going to be at the bottom of the 1st round

again, the Spurs and the Blazers were kind of doing the same things at the same time, Not only were the Spurs luckier, they were also much better managed.....which we saw in the 1st round

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as for OKC, I guess you can say that Deni = a poor man's version of when OKC got SGA; but those are not really the same situations. OKC built their dynasty from taking a big risk on Paul George. They traded for George and his expiring contract. Most people were thinking George was going to walk as a UFA. But OKC's bet paid off, they re-signed PG13, then Kawhi and the Clippers came calling, and OKC traded George for a 2 time MVP + the pick they used on all-star Jalen Williams + a couple of other late 1sts + the 12th pick in the draft in 3 weeks. OKC's payoff came immediately. Portland's payoff for trading Dame was Camara and those swaps and pick 5-7 years after the trade. Now, you can loop around and point to the Deni trade as being partly a component of the Dame trade. That would be fair, to a degree, because half of the draft assets and the salary ballast came from the trade

the main point is that OKC has not really been in the position Portland is currently in. They started their rebuild with a trade that Portland has not made...yet And they dumped veterans while Portland was adding them. Again, you can try and correlate Deni to SGA, but the correlation is pretty weak
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"I see no reason to give up on an "under 25 years old core" that is playing .500 basketball. This is where Houston, Detroit, San Antonio, & OKC were just a few years ago. Then, they made the jump by adding key veterans (Fox, Tobias, Fred/KD, Hartenstein/Caruso). Portland's veteran is Dame."

those comparisons fail IMO. That's because the Blazers have already added the veterans and they added those vets because Portland's management just can't stop straddling fences and/or being risk-adverse

my question is what "under 25 core?" are we talking about? Right now, that's Clingan-Sharpe-Scoot-Yang-Cissoko. That's it.

if you use winshares as a template, the Clingan-Sharpe-Scoot-Yang-Cissoko combo generated 11.7 winshares this season and 8.6 of those winshares were Clingan's

meanwhile, the Blazers' over-25 crowd generated:

4.5 - Timelord (29 next season)
4.0 - Grant (32-33 next season)
3.6 - Holiday (36 next season)
1.3 - Thybulle (29)

that's 13.4 winshares and two of those guys are UFA this summer and may walk

also:

4.8 - Camara (26)
2.2 - Murray (26)

so, over-25 = 20.4; under 25 = 11.7; and the two 25 year olds, Deni and Krejci = 7.7

all that's not to say that OKC and San Antonio haven't whiffed on decisions over the last half dozen years. But their successes have been bases-loaded home runs and triples, while Portland's have been one of two bases empty doubles and some bloop singles

I'm a big Dame fan, but it just seems to me that way too much of the hope for the Blazers is riding on a pair of 36 year old PG's one of whom is coming back from the worst injury a BB player can have

 

[riverman]

Sharpe is as talented as any player on the roster but has a lethargic streak in him I don't like. I don't like that he never played a game for Kentucky either or that he seems disinterested most of the time. Scoot has a work ethic and motor you can't teach. I'd trade Sharpe before Scoot and let Dame guide Scoot into his eventual role as the starting pt guard when Dame slows down. If we keep both guys I'll root for Sharpe to pick it up and run with it but so far he's disappointed me. Caleb Love has shown me more than Sharpe has last season.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

A lot of my answer depends on what each of them is doing right now. If they were both training with Dame, I would be very happy.

 

[HansenYang]

I think everyone is just freaking out for no reason when Portland should really look to emulate what the Spurs & Thunder did by accumulating draft picks & using them rather than chasing shorterm trades that gut depth & picks.

I see no reason to give up on an "under 25 years old core" that is playing .500 basketball. This is where Houston, Detroit, San Antonio, & OKC were just a few years ago. Then, they made the jump by adding key veterans (Fox, Tobias, Fred/KD, Hartenstein/Caruso). Portland's veteran is Dame.

Great post overall... Completely agree.

I especially agree with the short-term trade statement above.

(I swear, if Shaedon & Scoot could trade personalities, they'd probably be perfect).

Truer words have never been spoken...

That's all there is, to it. I don't see a reason to trade him unless a wing/forward player like Franz Wagner or even Tre Murphy III were available.

Agreed.