OT Shelby Steele

[MarAzul]

This is an interesting read.

http://www.foxnews.com/transcript/2...le-on-race-relations-equality-in-america.html

https://www.hoover.org/profiles/shelby-steele

 

[Propagandist]

This is an interesting read.

http://www.foxnews.com/transcript/2...le-on-race-relations-equality-in-america.html

I am beginning to detect an impulse to foment discord...

 

[MarAzul]

I am beginning to detect an impulse to foment discord...

I hope it does not.
The man has much to say.

 

[riverman]

I hope it does not.
The man has much to say.

you should've just linked this is your other thread on the same subject...it's really a post, not a thread topic considering we've had 3 of these in a few days and one got locked marz….mods merge with the other race thread?

 

[Chris Craig]

 

[MarAzul]

we've had 3 of these in a few days and one got locked marz…

Oh well river, this isn't about me. Sly did labeled the other thread a shit show. This should not be the same but we shall see how you guys view a Standford scholar.
So comment on him, I didn't write a word. I did watch him carefully though. Interesting.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I'm going to let it stand and see if we can have a constructive and healthy conversation about race and racism.

The thread some of you are wanting me to merge it with is actually a complaint about me closing the other thread Marazul created.

 

[MarAzul]

I'm going to let it stand and see if we can have a constructive and healthy conversation about race and racism.

The thread some of you are wanting me to merge it with is actually a complaint about me closing the other thread Marazul created.

I do not intend to comment, perhaps not even respond, unless I am asked something I can answer.

 

[riverman]

I watched it...they both skirted the real issue of police treatment of blacks which caused the kneeling and made it a classist topic about white guilt and blacks milking white guilt...I've said my piece about how I believe we are not evolved as a society enough to have parity he talks about...he speaks of intellectual goals of equality without pointing the camera at the tensions poverty wake up to everyday in urban American society...this man is obviously comfortable and privileged and pretty far removed from a culture in any need of protest. His ideals are fine but they aren't what I'd call truly representative of the times even if they should be...we don't live in a society free from ignorance or abuse and there are absolutely things today to protest that have nothing to do with guilt or finger pointing in my view...we have problems in America that will probably take generations to move past. It's also not just something concocted by the far left....it's also heavily ingrained in the behavior of the far right. It was an interesting interview though.

 

[CupWizier]

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I honestly believe that the politicians, and leaders on both sides have turned race and minority status into a political game in which they make all the money, they get all the power, they continue to get better off while minorities continue to get the shaft. There is a lot of what I would consider fear-mongering that goes on in our politics when it comes to race that it's just downright depressing.

https://www.archives.gov/files/press/exhibits/dream-speech.pdf

This note was the promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
But there is something that I must say to my people, who stand on the worn threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of gaining our rightful place, we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred. We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protests to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force. The marvelous new militancy, which has engulfed the Negro community, must not lead us to a distrust of all white people. For many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny. And they have come to realize that their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom. We cannot walk alone. And as we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall always march ahead. We cannot turn back.

I HAVE A DREAM TODAY!

I have a dream that one day down in Alabama — with its vicious racists, with its Governor having his lips dripping with the words of interposition and nullification — one day right there in Alabama, little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.

America has made good strides, but I believe ultimately it is in the hands of all of us people to work towards the dreams of MLK, to come together to talk, to work through our problems. To understand that yes white people have issues too, but ultimately me as a white guy should work just as hard for the rights of others as my own rights.

 

[riverman]

A lot of this topic was discussed in the first few pages of the thread that got locked before it got weird....feel like I've said all I can on the subject or I'd just have to go to that thread and quote myself all over again.

 

[Further]

Over the weekend I had a lavender pickle. Super tasty. I love a good pickle, usually go for spicier ones. Anyone got a favorite pickle, pickle recipe or pickle dish?

 

[riverman]

Over the weekend I had a lavender pickle. Super tasty. I love a good pickle, usually go for spicier ones. Anyone got a favorite pickle, pickle recipe or pickle dish?

Kosher dills...unfortunately I can no longer eat pickles because of the salt content....I miss them.

 

[barfo]

I like pickles.

And turtles.

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

Another taste of Steele.

http://www.papermag.com/shelby-steele-political-correctness-2190242561.html

 

[MarAzul]

One of Mr. Steele's observations;
"Conservatism took the hit for all the hypocrisies that came to light in the 1960s. And it remains today an ideology branded with America’s shames."

One of Mr. Steele's greatest lines;
"Liberalism, on the other hand, won for its followers a veil of innocence."

https://www.nationalreview.com/2015/03/conservatism-counterculture/

 

[dviss1]

Interesting only because it supports your view. To me this is more interesting:

 

[dviss1]

I honestly believe that the politicians, and leaders on both sides have turned race and minority status into a political game in which they make all the money, they get all the power, they continue to get better off while minorities continue to get the shaft. There is a lot of what I would consider fear-mongering that goes on in our politics when it comes to race that it's just downright depressing.

https://www.archives.gov/files/press/exhibits/dream-speech.pdf

This note was the promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
But there is something that I must say to my people, who stand on the worn threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of gaining our rightful place, we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred. We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protests to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force. The marvelous new militancy, which has engulfed the Negro community, must not lead us to a distrust of all white people. For many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny. And they have come to realize that their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom. We cannot walk alone. And as we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall always march ahead. We cannot turn back.

I HAVE A DREAM TODAY!

I have a dream that one day down in Alabama — with its vicious racists, with its Governor having his lips dripping with the words of interposition and nullification — one day right there in Alabama, little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.

America has made good strides, but I believe ultimately it is in the hands of all of us people to work towards the dreams of MLK, to come together to talk, to work through our problems. To understand that yes white people have issues too, but ultimately me as a white guy should work just as hard for the rights of others as my own rights.

There are millions of people who don't want this.

We outnumber them.

Thanks for being in the majority.

 

[Further]

Kosher dills...unfortunately I can no longer eat pickles because of the salt content....I miss them.

I love a good kosher dill but it seems like that word is just thrown around these days to sell bland soggy pickled turds.

Sorry about the salt. But I’m glad you are paying attention to your health!

 

[Further]

I’ve had battered and deep fried pickles which sounds amazing but doesn’t really live up to my expectations.

 

[MarAzul]

Interesting only because it supports your view.

Oh I don't even necessarily accept the branding. But I do notice the innocent seeking recognition.
They are at it everyday.

 

[Propagandist]

Oh I don't even necessarily accept the branding. But I do notice the innocent seeking recognition.
They are at it everyday.

You talk like Nostradamus.