Should the Blazers add 3pt shooting before opening night?

[SharpesTriumph]

I see this comment posted a lot that without Ant 3pt shooting the Blazers desperately need to add more 3pt shooting. However rumored names like Kispert give up a lot on defense - I really like how we potentially have a top5 defense for the first time this century.

I'm not convinced the Blazers need to add any more 3pt shooting as some of our youth also may improve. I'd rather have a 14th/15th/two way player/trade/etc that has potential contributions both on offense and defense. I suppose the counter argument may be we should have somebody available on the bench with a proven track record to come in and reliability space the floor if a particular game warrants it. What do you think?

Last season 3pt% - (Career 3pt%)

Jrue 35.3 (37.0)
Grant 36.5 (36.4)
Camara 37.5 (36.3)
Thybulle 43.8% (34.3)
Henderson 35.4 (34.0)
Deni 36.5 (33.7)
Sharpe 31.1 (33.0)

 

[julius]

I just hope that Shaedon doesn't continue the trend of his 3 point shooting going down each year. He's like the Sidney Wicks of 3 point shooting (in that Wicks is one of the, if not the only, player that had his scoring average go down each year he was in the league, peaking in his rookie season).

 

[CJ_is_Gone]

Need more shooting, but they can't be an absolute liability on D (ie - Simons, Kispert, etc)

 

[Mediocre Man]

Is this a public poll? Who in the fuck said no?

 

[Pinwheel1]

I see this comment posted a lot that without Ant 3pt shooting the Blazers desperately need to add more 3pt shooting. However rumored names like Kispert give up a lot on defense - I really like how we potentially have a top5 defense for the first time this century.

I'm not convinced the Blazers need to add any more 3pt shooting as some of our youth also may improve. I'd rather have a 14th/15th/two way player/trade/etc that has potential contributions both on offense and defense. I suppose the counter argument may be we should have somebody available on the bench with a proven track record to come in and reliability space the floor if a particular game warrants it. What do you think?

Last season 3pt% - (Career 3pt%)

Jrue 35.3 (37.0)
Grant 36.5 (36.4)
Camara 37.5 (36.3)
Thybulle 43.8% (34.3)
Henderson 35.4 (34.0)
Deni 36.5 (33.7)
Sharpe 31.1 (33.0)

All these guys are fine if they are open from 3. Kispert IMO is the same. So I see no reason to add him if he is a poor defender. (And to be honest, I have no idea if he is a poor defender)

Now, if we added a player who can flat out shoot the 3 off the dribble, then that is a different story. Those guys are much
harder to defend. Dame was great at that, and even Simons was better at it than all those guys listed. But we do not have a player on the team who can do that, so I think the better option is to have good ball movement with 4-5 two-way players on the floor at all times who can hit an open 3

 

[Cugel]

Lost the best shooter need a replacement. Simple.

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

Is this a public poll? Who in the fuck said no?

Exactly. It's an obvious answer.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Is this a public poll? Who in the fuck said no?

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Exactly. It's an obvious answer.

I guess my stance is I don't want to sacrifice defense to add 3pt shooting. I'd also like to first see how our youth shooting improves and if Jrue/Grant can bounce back to prior seasons over 40%.

 

[Natebishop3]

I don’t think it makes sense to bring in any other players if there aren’t any moves. I don’t see any available minutes.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I don’t think it makes sense to bring in any other players if there aren’t any moves. I don’t see any available minutes.

Hypothetically

as it stands now….There are 240 in a game. Using an 8 man rotation

Clingan -30
Rob-18
Grant - 32
Deni - 32
Toumani -32
Shaedon -32
Jrue -30
Scoot -30

that is 236

Accounting for foul trouble and injuries, Yang and Thybulle should get about 12 min per game

 

[wizenheimer]

of course it would be better if the Blazers had upgraded 3 point shooting.....without downgrading the defense obviously

but "need"?....don't see it because the Blazers won't be competing for a championship any time soon. All teams have flaws, and yeah, bad 3 point shooting is a significant flaw in the modern NBA, but I'm not seeing any urgency in Portland fixing this issue. Let the bricks flow and get back on D

 

[BigGameDamian]

Yang Hansen Will be our best 3pt shooter.

 

[Natebishop3]

Hypothetically

as it stands now….There are 240 in a game. Using an 8 man rotation

Clingan -30
Rob-18
Grant - 32
Deni - 32
Toumani -32
Shaedon -32
Jrue -30
Scoot -30

that is 236

Accounting for foul trouble and injuries, Yang and Thybulle should get about 12 min per game

I suspect Clingan will play maybe a couple minutes fewer than 30. I guess we will see.

I don't think Rob is playing at all. I think they try to get Yang 15-16 minutes per game.

 

[inconceivable]

I suspect Clingan will play maybe a couple minutes fewer than 30. I guess we will see.

I don't think Rob is playing at all. I think they try to get Yang 15-16 minutes per game.

Yang will likely play garbage minutes in real games, because if we are trying to win, Chauncey will play Clingan and RobWill. Now if RobWill is injured again, Yang will get his 15

 

[Mediocre Man]

Yang will likely play garbage minutes in real games, because if we are trying to win, Chauncey will play Clingan and RobWill. Now if RobWill is injured again, Yang will get his 15

Hot take….
The Great Wall of hope will be better, sooner rather than later, than The Great white hope

 

[Pinwheel1]

I don’t think it makes sense to bring in any other players if there aren’t any moves. I don’t see any available minutes.

Yeah, the player would need to be pretty good to take minutes from the guys we have. And I am not sure we can find that with a FA.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Hot take….
The Great Wall of hope will be better, sooner rather than later, than The Great white hope

Well, I agree that Yang has a higher ceiling due to more versatility. But I will be happy with a 24-24 minute split after this year.

 

[blazerkor]

Is this a public poll? Who in the fuck said no?

I definitely said no. I don't think we "need" to do anything until we see what this squad can do. We have two guys in Scoot and Shaedon that are so young and have had such undefined roles on the team that we can't be sure what they will bring as shooters. We actually have good (not great) three point shooters in Tou and Deni. Last year was a down year for Jerami and while I don't think he should still be on the roster, it stands to reason that he'll shoot better from three this year.

The idea that we lost our "best shooter" so we need to replace him, is spurious. Ant wasn't close to our best shooter last season from three or elsewhere. Again I want to say that we can get better from three just by having Scoot and Shaedon getting more consistent from three.

I wouldn't be pissed if we did add a three point specialist, I'm just saying we don't NEED to before training camp.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Yang Hansen Will be our best 3pt shooter.

In a good or bad way?

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Hypothetically

as it stands now….There are 240 in a game. Using an 8 man rotation

Clingan -30
Rob-18
Grant - 32
Deni - 32
Toumani -32
Shaedon -32
Jrue -30
Scoot -30

that is 236

Accounting for foul trouble and injuries, Yang and Thybulle should get about 12 min per game

Yang might be fine to sit on the bench to start the year or just play the games Rob rests. Thybulle I'd think should get more minutes - especially if he is hitting 3s.

Eventually there will be injuries. So we don't need to limit to 240 minutes.

If you look at our top11 players last year from Starters to Jabari Walker in minutes played they averaged over 280mpg

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I suspect Clingan will play maybe a couple minutes fewer than 30. I guess we will see.

I don't think Rob is playing at all. I think they try to get Yang 15-16 minutes per game.

Yang will likely play garbage minutes in real games, because if we are trying to win, Chauncey will play Clingan and RobWill. Now if RobWill is injured again, Yang will get his 15

Rob will at the least sit out all B2B.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Ant wasn't close to our best shooter last season from three or elsewhere. .

I would say that is highly debatable. So, who do you think was better?

Certainly not Thybulle or Walker, who both had a better percentage but made fewer than thirty 3s all season.
Ant made 215 last year. The next closest was Toumani with 135, and his percentage was only 1% higher, while taking mostly wide-open
shots. The other option would be Grant and Deni, but they also shot about the same (.365 vs .363) with many fewer makes.

Much like Shae, Ant struggled last year with shot selection, but someone on the team has to take the tough shots. I would not go by just his stats when determining who was the best 3pt shooter on the team.

 

[wizenheimer]

I would say that is highly debatable. So, who do you think was better?

Certainly not Thybulle or Walker, who both had a better percentage but made fewer than thirty 3s all season.
Ant made 215 last year. The next closest was Toumani with 135, and his percentage was only 1% higher, while taking mostly wide-open
shots. The other option would be Grant and Deni, but they also shot about the same (.365 vs .363) with many fewer makes.

Much like Shae, Ant struggled last year with shot selection, but someone on the team has to take the tough shots. I would not go by just his stats when determining who was the best 3pt shooter on the team.

over the last 3 seasons, since Grant, became a Blazer, he has shot .390 on three's. Over the same time, Simons shot .374. Yeah, Simons had a higher volume but Grant attempted well over 300 a season, so there isn't really any significant sample size skew.

 

[blazerkor]

I would say that is highly debatable. So, who do you think was better?

Certainly not Thybulle or Walker, who both had a better percentage but made fewer than thirty 3s all season.
Ant made 215 last year. The next closest was Toumani with 135, and his percentage was only 1% higher, while taking mostly wide-open
shots. The other option would be Grant and Deni, but they also shot about the same (.365 vs .363) with many fewer makes.

Much like Shae, Ant struggled last year with shot selection, but someone on the team has to take the tough shots. I would not go by just his stats when determining who was the best 3pt shooter on the team.

I think Ant's very mediocre shooting last season on huge volume didn't make our three point shooting better. I guess you can say the same about Jerami, my fingers are crossed that he'll gone soon but if not I just hope he takes better shots than he did last season.

Yes, the season before last season Ant was our second best three point shooter behind Jerami but did so on even higher volume making him a far less effective three point shooter than Jerami that season... technically Malcolm shot better than both of those guys and none of them played a ton of games.

I guess what I'm saying is if it were this time last season and we had just traded Ant away for a total non shooter then I could see a NEED to get one or a couple three point specialists but we already saw last season that we did well with lineups that had competent but not elite three point shooting.

I'm not saying I'm against adding three point shooting, I just don't see any reason for urgency until we see how this team shoots as constructed.

Also, we didn't trade Ant for a non shooter we traded him for Jrue whose 37% career three point shooting average is only 1.1% worse than Ant's. Yeah Ant did put up a lot more vlue over the last three seasons than Jrue ever has but I don't know if losing a chucker coming off of his worst season in his last five is a reason to NEED to add more three pont shooting.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

I guess my stance is I don't want to sacrifice defense to add 3pt shooting. I'd also like to first see how our youth shooting improves and if Jrue/Grant can bounce back to prior seasons over 40%.

Yep. We have until the trade deadline to assess shooting improvements in the youth to then target someone if needed.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I think Ant's very mediocre shooting last season on huge volume didn't make our three point shooting better. I guess you can say the same about Jerami, my fingers are crossed that he'll gone soon but if not I just hope he takes better shots than he did last season..

I agree with what you are saying here. I was just pushing back on Ant not being our best 3pt shooter. There was absolutely no one else on the team I would rather have had taking a 3 in crunch time than Ant. To me that is more important than what any stats might suggest.

 

[blazerkor]

I agree with what you are saying here. I was just pushing back on Ant not being our best 3pt shooter. There was absolutely no one else on the team I would rather have had taking a 3 in crunch time than Ant. To me that is more important than what any stats might suggest.

You're right as far as taking a game winner in a must win game... we just haven't had one of those while Ant was that guy. I get what you're saying though and again, I agree with you.

 

[THE HCP]

Well if today was opening day, wouldn’t we have the worst 3 point shooting team in the league? So I guess the answer to you question depends on what you are expecting from this season.

 

[Cugel]

Well if today was opening day, wouldn’t we have the worst 3 point shooting team in the league? So I guess the answer to you question depends on what you are expecting from this season.

POR would be predicted to be very bad from long. Unless Scoot and Shae suddenly become the Splash Bros 2.0