Sizing up the MVP race

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I'm going with Trout in the AL & Stanton in the NL.
 
Hammerojustice said:
Trout & Kershaw won
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That really pisses me off. Kershaw won his award yesterday. I've never been a fan of a pitcher being able to win BOTH awards while a position player who plays every inning of every game is only eligible to win one award.. Very disappointed.
 
I also figured Trout and Stanton would take home the hardware. Kershaw's MVP kind of surprised me. I too have not liked the thought of any pitcher winning both Cy young and MVP's. Like you said, the CY Young is the Pitcher's MVP trophy.

One of my friends gave me a different angle of insight on how Pitchers win MVPs, tho' I don't agree with is take, yet it makes some sense, just not enough to justify Pitchers winning MVPs. That is: a SP faces more batters in a year, than those batters have AT Bats.
 
Just as I don't think DHs should make the HOF for playing only 1/2 the game, I don't think pitchers should be awarded the MVP for only playing 30-35 games a season.
 
Rick2583 said:
Just as I don't think DHs should make the HOF for playing only 1/2 the game, I don't think pitchers should be awarded the MVP for only playing 30-35 games a season.
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I totally agree, and also don't think DH's should get any MVP, or HOF votes. The criteria includes defensive play too, yet seems to be overlooked during voting.

Yet, still within those 30-35 games, a Pitcher will still have face more batters, than any batter will have At Bats, within the entire season.

Tho- I still disagree with that strewed logic...
 
Rick2583 said:
That really pisses me off. Kershaw won his award yesterday. I've never been a fan of a pitcher being able to win BOTH awards while a position player who plays every inning of every game is only eligible to win one award.. Very disappointed.
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Who was more valuable throughout the year then Kershaw?
 
Mattingly23NY said:
I totally agree, and also don't think DH's should get any MVP, or HOF votes. The criteria includes defensive play too, yet seems to be overlooked during voting.

Yet, still within those 30-35 games, a Pitcher will still have face more batters, than any batter will have At Bats, within the entire season.

Tho- I still disagree with that strewed logic...
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Not Edgar Martinez?
 
Hammerojustice said:
Not Edgar Martinez?
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Edgar at least played some defense pretty well at that. Shrek made a mockery out of playing 1st base.....

Moreso, I feel MLB needs to clarify their criteria's for the MVP Award.

You make a valid point Hammer. "who was more valuable than Kershaw this year".... hard to not say Kershaw. Especially with Clayton being on the DL for the 1st month of the season.

good thing balloting is in prior to Post Season, otherwise if Post Season were a factor, I'm not sure Kershaw would of won the MVP. just saying.....My Opinion seems to fluctuate, or as in Poker, I'm holding....not calling...LOL...!

Nothing my opinion can sway, or make any differences, as ya'll know: it all comes down to the BBWA votes and opinions. Not sure if I could re-write or clarify the criteria for the MVP awards, to make any sense, I'd only fk it up...:lol: Even then, I'm not sure how or what or how, I would change any criteria, so I will take comfort in knowing my op doesn't matter, thus I won't get too worked up over the awards....I can't denounce the voting or praise the system...either way, so I'll take a seat and forget about it. Not a thing I can do anyway.....

Perhaps leaving the criteria open ended, is the proper thing in this case. Open for interpretation, theirs not mine....

Or- A fan without a vote.....!!!
 
Hammerojustice said:
Who was more valuable throughout the year then Kershaw?
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Excellent point Steve & it goes with what I heard one of the sportscasters say this morning who btw: is also against giving the MVP to a pitcher. He basically said the same thing. "I would only award the MVP to a pitcher if he had a dominating season & there really was no position player who had numbers that just jumped at you". And to be honest, Stanton had a good year for a very bad team. McCutchin had a good year also but not great. So in this case (though I'm against it) Kershaw was the likely choice.
 
Rick2583 said:
Excellent point Steve & it goes with what I heard one of the sportscasters say this morning who btw: is also against giving the MVP to a pitcher. He basically said the same thing. "I would only award the MVP to a pitcher if he had a dominating season & there really was no position player who had numbers that just jumped at you". And to be honest, Stanton had a good year for a very bad team. McCutchin had a good year also but not great. So in this case (though I'm against it) Kershaw was the likely choice.
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Bingo. Typically, I agree as well... it should go to a position player who literally is the most valuable player... someone without whom the team would flounder... In this case, Kershaw was the team... and he ran out of steam in 2 innings in the post season... 2 bad innings...
 
Hammerojustice said:
Bingo. Typically, I agree as well... it should go to a position player who literally is the most valuable player... someone without whom the team would flounder... In this case, Kershaw was the team... and he ran out of steam in 2 innings in the post season... 2 bad innings...
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Got to add to that, Kershaw's ERA vs The Cards in 013 & 014 was 4.00+
NTM-Kershaw also self imploded in the NLCS in 013 as well. In fact he has yet to beat the Cards in Post Season...

don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Kershaw Fan. Tho' he's broken and tied many of Koufax's records, Clayton is NO KOUFAX. Being old enough to clearly recall Sandy's games, and seeing Koufax in Person in Chavez Ravine, in the early-mid 60s. The biggest difference I see b/t both are: Koufax never threw the same out pitch in any order. Koufax left batters wondering what in the world was he going to throw in any count. So any 3rd strike out pitch was never the same. The Cards picked up on what I've seen all year, ie, He relied on his slow looping curve consistently for his out pitch, and the Cards knew as much, making Clayton pay.

Tho' I agree Kershaw was flawless thru the 1st 6-7 innings vs Cards. Then but a few hits, which could of gone either way, (hitting the tip of Bums Gloves)....an matter of inches, cost Clayton the game, as well as broadcasting his out pitch, by using it every single time....!

Kershaw is a Great SP, as great as any in modern times, Yet, Koufax was an EPIC LEGEND.....not many like him, other than say Marichal, Bob Gibson, Vida Blue, Nolan Ryan, Randy Johnson, not even Carlton was equal to Koufax, as far as dominating. Tho' Lefty Carlton was Great as well. Tho' if Kershaw keep us his torrid pace, he will own all of Sandy's Bums records. Tho' again, he is no Koufax, there will never be another Koufax....

Tho'- There will never be another Gibson, Marichal, Ryan, RJ, Lefty either.....no matter how many awards and records others establish. Just my 2 cents and op. (which won't buy anyone a tootsie roll or stick of bazooka)...
 
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