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They should play a whole season imo. I guess for most their job isn't essential as most a millionaires. I was with my wife yesterday at Coscto than I dragged her to Home Depot and both places were packed out.
I would think they would limit the amount of fans for sd but not sure?

I agree that they can probably work out a reasonably safe plan to have some fans in attendance. They could start with very limited numbers and ramp up as people get vaccinated. They may have to make adjusted based on the numbers of local infections. There are still too many wheels in motion to have any real idea how it will pan out though.
 
here's a thought: if there's a vaccine, the NBA could require 'proof-of-vaccination' before allowing someone to attend games

that won't get anybody riled up...right?

Still too many unknowns to make that decision.

But sure, if the vaccine is completely effective I don't see anyone but the anti-vaccers having a problem with it.
 
an update on likely starting dates beyond the draft including free agency and next season are asked and answered in an article about what comes next after the bubble and a Q&A with NBPA boss Michele Roberts. she gives answers about the discussions she has already held with Nate Silvers too.is at the athletic behind a pay wall so will post some highlights. there is a lot more depth to her answers at the athletic.
https://theathletic.com/2118672/202...-nbpa-boss-michele-roberts/?source=dailyemail

— January and February are realistic start times for the 2020-21 season: “The latter part of January, February makes sense. If it’s later than that, if we have a terrible winter because the virus decides to reassert herself, that’s fine. The absolute earliest would be January, and that’s doable.” The NBA and NBPA both have shared goals: An 82-game season, in-market play, reduced travel and potentially a set amount of fans.
— Free agency is expected to be no later than Dec. 1 — and the salary cap and tax numbers should not dip much lower than the current projections: “We can’t go much beyond (Dec. 1) for (free agency).
Utah Jazz star Donovan Mitchell, Portland Trail Blazers forward Carmelo Anthony and Milwaukee Bucks guard Sterling Brown will serve on the Social Justice Coalition.
Sacramento Kings forward Harrison Barnes and Philadelphia 76ers forward Tobias Harris will serve as player reps on the NBA Foundation.

In your meeting with Adam, what did you take away about the league’s future?

That there is a future. As bad as this thing is, it’s never occurred to me and I won’t allow it to occur to me that somehow basketball, as we know it, is over. This has been an incredibly successful sport in terms of popularity and revenue-generating possibilities. That’s not going to change. We’re certainly on a detour right now, but at the end of the day, professional basketball is still going to be an incredible machine. What we’re doing now is figuring out how to manage what is a short-term problem. We’re not going to make as much money. Money is not a dirty word, it’s the reality. So we need to figure out what we’re going to do about a season that is revenue-challenged. That’s what we’re addressing and once the Finals end, then we’re going to have conversations in a very significant way. We’re just setting the table for that.
What are the scenarios? How do you address the losses in finances?

Everyone is projecting what the losses are likely going to look like. We projected a BRI of over $8 billion and it ain’t going to be a BRI of over $8 billion. That’s clear. As long as we can’t have our arenas to full capacity, we have to be realistic. That’s a 40 percent revenue drop. So the question is, how do we deal with that and allow the pain that’s clearly going to be felt in a way that makes sense? Clearly the issue will be is … our current BRI has the owners enjoying 49 percent of the revenue, players get 51 percent … we have a substantially smaller pie now. But there’s some real numbers out there, some committed salaries, and some fixed costs. If we’re not talking about an $8-plus billion revenue year, but a $6-plus billion revenue year, what does that mean in terms of our ability get 51 percent and the owners’ ability to get their 49 percent?

Adjustments are going to have to be made so we can all walk away with some pain but not unfairly distributed.
How do you guys go about closing any gaps?

It comes down to if it’s a $6 billion pie and our owners are entitled to 49 percent, and they’re already committed to $5 billion in player salaries and fixed costs for example, where’s the rest of their money? There’s ways to take that $6 billion and get to their 49 percent. One of the ways to do it is to slash player salaries. I got to deal with a constituency that, you slash their salaries, this may be for many of my guys on the last two or three years of their careers. Is there a way to deal with that?

And we’ll never say to the owners: Y’all just going to have to eat the loss. Who’s going to do that? They’re not stupid. They’re not just going to say, OK, yeah you’re right, we’re just going to have to lose a couple billion dollars on our own. That’s not going to happen. Instead what you say is, can we figure out a way to manage that so there is no loss, but there isn’t an immediate pay day. Can you withstand some delay in getting your money? I have some real life examples of people I know in my life that say that they live paycheck-to-paycheck. And there are other people that can say that they can deal with deferred compensation. You figure it out. Our players are well-compensated, I’m not suggesting that’s not the case, but at the end of the day if you’re talking a billion-to-two-billion-dollar gap is there
At times, the fear of a lockout has also come up.

Nobody wants that. When the players ask me now: Michele, do you think the owners are going to try to lock us out? I use the analysis: the revenue hit is not to be ignored. But do I think we’re not going to rebound and make money again and again soon … I do think we will. You don’t kill the golden goose. I would bet there is not a chance of a lockout. If it happens, it will be absolutely because they are unreasonable and folks without any foresight are driving the train. I happen to think that Adam is neither of those.

We’re going to resolve this.
 
I think it probably depends on the outcome of the election as well..these two guys might handle things quite differently
 
Probably 2 bubbles Disney for the Eastern conference, Vegas for western conference
I don't think the NBA is making money off of the bubble, I'm pretty sure the expenses are way too high and the only revenues are TV revenues. Also are we talking like 4 stints in the bubbles per team because even if they just went HAM and played a whole season every other day that would put these guys in the limited freedom of a bubble environment for five and a half straight months obviously they won't be able to go every other day but lets just say if they did players aren't spending that much time in isolation. If you have stints of doing it with lets say two week breaks between then you would be looking at 7 months. Again, I'm pretty sure the NBA loses money every day they operate the bubble so I just don't see this working out and there would have to be bubble exchange because the top teams in the East already get off easy playing a majority of there games against the rest of the East. It's all a moot point because the reason that Silver has said he won't start games again without fans in attendance is because the NBA can't survive without that revenue stream. It will honestly cost them far far less to cancel one season than to do the bubble or multi-bubble solution. Also the CBA is getting voided so I guess none of this matters because we don't even know what the business structure of the league and it's operations will look like going forward.
 
" The NBA and NBPA both have shared goals: An 82-game season, in-market play, reduced travel and potentially a set amount of fans." this is a quote from the roberts interview. it doesn't appear a second bubble season is being considered at this point. less travel would indicate more in conference scheduling, with perhaps a second game vs, traveling team at each stop but in market play means home and away games likely in the arenas, with smaller crowds through social distancing. the individual governors in the teams' states with authority over health/business rules will have the biggest impact on crowd size restrictions and their guidance will be based on community spread of the virus going forward.

I don't think the NBA is making money off of the bubble, I'm pretty sure the expenses are way too high and the only revenues are TV revenues. Also are we talking like 4 stints in the bubbles per team because even if they just went HAM and played a whole season every other day that would put these guys in the limited freedom of a bubble environment for five and a half straight months obviously they won't be able to go every other day but lets just say if they did players aren't spending that much time in isolation. If you have stints of doing it with lets say two week breaks between then you would be looking at 7 months. Again, I'm pretty sure the NBA loses money every day they operate the bubble so I just don't see this working out and there would have to be bubble exchange because the top teams in the East already get off easy playing a majority of there games against the rest of the East. It's all a moot point because the reason that Silver has said he won't start games again without fans in attendance is because the NBA can't survive without that revenue stream. It will honestly cost them far far less to cancel one season than to do the bubble or multi-bubble solution. Also the CBA is getting voided so I guess none of this matters because we don't even know what the business structure of the league and it's operations will look like going forward.
 
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It will honestly cost them far far less to cancel one season than to do the bubble or multi-bubble solution.

I agree that it’s very unlikely the league does a bubble plan next year, but I think there’s no way that they cancel the season short of a total meltdown of the Covid situation. The operating cost losses are likely to be huge next year, but the one thing that the league absolutely cannot afford to lose is fan interest. Cancelling an entire season would cost viewership for multiple seasons.
 
" The NBA and NBPA both have shared goals: An 82-game season, in-market play, reduced travel and potentially a set amount of fans." this is a quote from the roberts interview. it doesn't appear a second bubble season is being considered at this point. less travel would indicate more in conference scheduling, with perhaps a second game vs, traveling team at each stop but in market play means home and away games likely in the arenas, with smaller crowds through social distancing. the individual governors in the teams' states with authority over health/business rules will have the biggest impact on crowd size restrictions and their guidance will be based on community spread of the virus going forward.

I can't speak for blazerkor, but my guess is that while the words of the player's union head carry weight, the much heavier weight resides in the hands of the owners as long as they hold the option to declare force majeure and cancel the current CBA. I'm not sure when the deadline is for that but I think it's still a few weeks away

now, I'm not as certain as blazerkor is that the owners will use the nuclear option of declaring force majeure. For one thing, I think there is probably accounting that still needs to be completed so there is a better handle on what to expect financially for next season. But the amount of uncertainly is not going to diminish any time soon. But I am fairly certain the owners will be using force majeure as a lever to move the union toward several concessions and changes in the CBA for next season. And the scope of those changes will very likely control the form the season takes
 
I can't speak for blazerkor, but my guess is that while the words of the player's union head carry weight, the much heavier weight resides in the hands of the owners as long as they hold the option to declare force majeure and cancel the current CBA. I'm not sure when the deadline is for that but I think it's still a few weeks away

now, I'm not as certain as blazerkor is that the owners will use the nuclear option of declaring force majeure. For one thing, I think there is probably accounting that still needs to be completed so there is a better handle on what to expect financially for next season. But the amount of uncertainly is not going to diminish any time soon. But I am fairly certain the owners will be using force majeure as a lever to move the union toward several concessions and changes in the CBA for next season. And the scope of those changes will very likely control the form the season takes

i can certainly understand the leverage side from both perspectives. IMHO, blowing up the golden goose negatively affects all stake holders, but the valuations of the individual franchises would take the greatest hits if play stops for an extended period lasting months or years. many entertainment industry stocks have taken huge hits during the current pandemic. the newest arenas, some privately held by the franchises increases those teams needs in coming to the table and finding common ground to a mutually acceptable agreement concerning the financial sides of a labor agreement. this said, again only my opinion, but there is/or appears to be, understanding on the part of the players association that they will have to bear a significant part of the shortfalls that will be incurred by the league in whatever form the season takes. i didn't copy and paste the entirety of the interview, but she speaks to the need for this on the part of both parties and that she has already begun the messaging to both the league and her employers. she indicated that silvers had done the same. some of the numbers included were a $2 billion shortfall in revenues likely this season and next. this only leaves the leagues owners around $1 billion left from revenues after subtracting the $5 billion in salaries to cover all of their other expenses. the 51/49% split will have to be adjusted to compensate. the players also surrendered 25% of their salaries to engage in the bubble in order for the league to finish the current season so the precedent is established and good will already shown in negotiations. compare that to the baseball contract discussions and i see a lot more compromise and good faith on the part of both sides.
with the draft date of november 18 already set, it would indicate that there will be about 6 weeks window to come to a short term solution as the financials will need to be settled before then.
 
i can certainly understand the leverage side from both perspectives. IMHO, blowing up the golden goose negatively affects all stake holders, but the valuations of the individual franchises would take the greatest hits if play stops for an extended period lasting months or years. many entertainment industry stocks have taken huge hits during the current pandemic. the newest arenas, some privately held by the franchises increases those teams needs in coming to the table and finding common ground to a mutually acceptable agreement concerning the financial sides of a labor agreement. this said, again only my opinion, but there is/or appears to be, understanding on the part of the players association that they will have to bear a significant part of the shortfalls that will be incurred by the league in whatever form the season takes. i didn't copy and paste the entirety of the interview, but she speaks to the need for this on the part of both parties and that she has already begun the messaging to both the league and her employers. she indicated that silvers had done the same. some of the numbers included were a $2 billion shortfall in revenues likely this season and next. this only leaves the leagues owners around $1 billion left from revenues after subtracting the $5 billion in salaries to cover all of their other expenses. the 51/49% split will have to be adjusted to compensate. the players also surrendered 25% of their salaries to engage in the bubble in order for the league to finish the current season so the precedent is established and good will already shown in negotiations. compare that to the baseball contract discussions and i see a lot more compromise and good faith on the part of both sides.
with the draft date of november 18 already set, it would indicate that there will be about 6 weeks window to come to a short term solution as the financials will need to be settled before then.
In order to alter the fundamental properties of the CBA (especially the revenue split but in reality anything) the current CBA has to be voided so that's why I think the owners will do that. The CBA isn't a living document that can be amended it's a cast iron agreement, if it needs altering it has to be terminated first. I don't necessarily think either side will view that as a "nuclear option", I just think it's pretty much guaranteed to happen. Now if the owners try to push the new terms out for several years and get a favorable situation post pandemic implications, taking advantage of their strong position to tip the revenue split towards them or the players don't want to give up money already guaranteed to them and/or their slightly bigger piece of the revenue pie temporarily... that's where this might get tricky. If two decades ago during a time of financial gain in the league the owners locked the players out for 6 months and lost 32 games and then again in another time of growth just one decade ago they locked the players out for 8 months and lost 16 games (all of those games being lost because they just didn't care not because of some global catastrophe) I don't know if everybody coming together and agreeing on just how big each side's pay cut should be is realistic. I also don't know how urgent the most central factor in this equation is. Adam Silver said he doesn't want to start playing until fans can be safely in the stands, I think he realizes the league can't function in any form without 40% of their revenue and the additional interest in watching televised games that live attendance generates.
 
I can't speak for blazerkor, but my guess is that while the words of the player's union head carry weight, the much heavier weight resides in the hands of the owners as long as they hold the option to declare force majeure and cancel the current CBA. I'm not sure when the deadline is for that but I think it's still a few weeks away

now, I'm not as certain as blazerkor is that the owners will use the nuclear option of declaring force majeure. For one thing, I think there is probably accounting that still needs to be completed so there is a better handle on what to expect financially for next season. But the amount of uncertainly is not going to diminish any time soon. But I am fairly certain the owners will be using force majeure as a lever to move the union toward several concessions and changes in the CBA for next season. And the scope of those changes will very likely control the form the season takes
Force majeure has already been declared and as far as I understand it the owners option under force majeure to terminate the current CBA has been left on the table (the window to use it being extended three or four times) at least until this season wraps up and that's the NBAPA that has allowed that. All of that tells me that both sides know this CBA is another thing lost due to the pandemic. Like I said, not a nuclear option just recognition by both sides that the current CBA which can not be amended without termination is not going to be functional next season and may even be ineffective for a little while after that.
 
In order to alter the fundamental properties of the CBA (especially the revenue split but in reality anything) the current CBA has to be voided so that's why I think the owners will do that. The CBA isn't a living document that can be amended it's a cast iron agreement, if it needs altering it has to be terminated first. I don't necessarily think either side will view that as a "nuclear option", I just think it's pretty much guaranteed to happen. Now if the owners try to push the new terms out for several years and get a favorable situation post pandemic implications, taking advantage of their strong position to tip the revenue split towards them or the players don't want to give up money already guaranteed to them and/or their slightly bigger piece of the revenue pie temporarily... that's where this might get tricky. If two decades ago during a time of financial gain in the league the owners locked the players out for 6 months and lost 32 games and then again in another time of growth just one decade ago they locked the players out for 8 months and lost 16 games (all of those games being lost because they just didn't care not because of some global catastrophe) I don't know if everybody coming together and agreeing on just how big each side's pay cut should be is realistic. I also don't know how urgent the most central factor in this equation is. Adam Silver said he doesn't want to start playing until fans can be safely in the stands, I think he realizes the league can't function in any form without 40% of their revenue and the additional interest in watching televised games that live attendance generates.
i completely understand that the cba is gone but was pointing out what the model was and how it is likely to change and the reasons for compromise.

edit IMHO, ownerships willingness/need for compromise is also enhanced by the covid related negatively impacted nature concerning finances and of non league revenue streams. the unknowable nature of those revenues returning to normal when and if ever, were not present during the previous lock out.
 
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https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id...ad-draft-free-agency-start-2020-21-nba-season

Short summary and answer to the titular question: Nothing

It's still worth a read because it defines just how far that nothing goes. All of the things we have no idea about that will effect the NBA and obviously our Blazers going forward and then there is some conjecture based on Brian Windhorst's insider info and experience.
 
I DO NOT like that i'm being charged for next seasons tickets when there is not a plan in place. I'm losing interest on the money they are taking from me. But if I cancel my payments, I lose my seats and the rights to them.

I really don't think its fair what the Blazers are doing to us season ticket holders. I wonder how other teams are treating season ticket holders? They should provide an option for me to hold payments until a plan is in place and then if I want my seats pay up to be current.
 
I DO NOT like that i'm being charged for next seasons tickets when there is not a plan in place. I'm losing interest on the money they are taking from me. But if I cancel my payments, I lose my seats and the rights to them.

I really don't think its fair what the Blazers are doing to us season ticket holders. I wonder how other teams are treating season ticket holders? They should provide an option for me to hold payments until a plan is in place and then if I want my seats pay up to be current.
You have a very good argument there. As I remember they never sold tickets until the season schedule was announced. At this point you don’t even know how many games will be played.
How can they reasonably charge you for tickets yet?
 
I DO NOT like that i'm being charged for next seasons tickets when there is not a plan in place. I'm losing interest on the money they are taking from me. But if I cancel my payments, I lose my seats and the rights to them.

I really don't think its fair what the Blazers are doing to us season ticket holders. I wonder how other teams are treating season ticket holders? They should provide an option for me to hold payments until a plan is in place and then if I want my seats pay up to be current.
and trust me Blazers, you DON'T want to make this man unhappy:
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Still too many unknowns to make that decision.

But sure, if the vaccine is completely effective I don't see anyone but the anti-vaccers having a problem with it.

My son has all his shots and is a risk due to being asthmatic and I'm not accepting ANY vaccine that was produced (in record time) by this administration. Fuck that.
 
You have a very good argument there. As I remember they never sold tickets until the season schedule was announced. At this point you don’t even know how many games will be played.
How can they reasonably charge you for tickets yet?
Season tickets they start collecting money around the all star game, and try to get a big lump by the playoffs. I understand they're offering accommodations, but don't like that they have to be specifically requested. At this point, if games are cancelled, I'm not sure if I'm going to roll the money into 21-22, or just ask for a refund and get out of my seats.
 
Would you be willing to go after Harrell if we let Whiteside walk. He's an unrestricted free agent.
 
Would you be willing to go after Harrell if we let Whiteside walk. He's an unrestricted free agent.
If he would take the MLE, that wouldn't necessarily be a bad move. He can play PF because he can play both the post and perimeter on D and he is good in pick and roll situations. He's really high energy and ultra athletic. If we did take him I'd likely start him over Zach but they'd likely play about equal minutes in a three man rotation with them and Nurk in the front court. The one problem is that Harrell doesn't stretch the defense because he doesn't shoot well at all... that's the one thing that would give me pause about dedicating our entire MLE to him and I think he'll actually draw more than 9+ mil per season.
 

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