So do the Sixers still want Dame?

[KSF-ERIC]

I’ll throw in RoCo.

Let’s roll with Simons/CJ/Powell/Simmons/Nurk

 

[blazerkor]

I’ll throw in RoCo.

Let’s roll with Simons/CJ/Powell/Simmons/Nurk

You've lost it. Dame's in a slump, so now he's worth less than CJ?!? Come on man! Hold it together, Dame will see himself out of this. Talk about a fair weather fan.

 

[stampedehero]

Sure they do. They chanted for him while Dame was shooting free throws.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

I’ll throw in RoCo.

Let’s roll with Simons/CJ/Powell/Simmons/Nurk

This post should be put on a billboard in downtown Portland and the posters name and address should be added so everyone knows exactly who posted this!
Is there any poster on this board that is quite this pathetic with the exception of Aldo?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

This post should be put on a billboard in downtown Portland and the posters name and address should be added so everyone knows exactly who posted this!
Is there any poster on this board that is quite this pathetic with the exception of Aldo?

Think of Eric as the voice of your id. He says the wild thoughts that you try to repress. Everybody has them, he's just more honest about it. He's like a Lucky Strike: no filter.

 

[Chris Craig]

Of course they do. Who wouldn't?

He's in a slump, trying to figure out playing without the ball in his hands. Billups might have to go back to just letting him control the ball.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Billups might have to go back to just letting him control the ball.

 

[RonBrewer]

I’ll throw in RoCo.

Let’s roll with Simons/CJ/Powell/Simmons/Nurk

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[Strenuus]

I’ll throw in RoCo.

Let’s roll with Simons/CJ/Powell/Simmons/Nurk

Troll thread will troll.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Sure they do. They chanted for him while Dame was shooting free throws.

 

[handiman]

He's in a slump, trying to figure out playing without the ball in his hands. Billups might have to go back to just letting him control the ball.

I've said for quite a while, Dame is better than CJ but CJ might be the easier player to build around. CJ can play the lead or secondary role, although to be fair, he plays like a ball-dominant lead in that secondary role. Dame's apparent inability to adjust is why we've been so predictable against trapping teams. He has very few weaknesses, but that one is a killer.

We'll see how long-term this adjustment period is for Dame. I hope I'm wrong and Dame's fit under Billups doesn't become a point of concern.

 

[julius]

I've said for quite a while, Dame is better than CJ but CJ might be the easier player to build around. CJ can play the lead or secondary role, although to be fair, he plays like a ball-dominant lead in that secondary role. Dame's apparent inability to adjust is why we've been so predictable against trapping teams. He has very few weaknesses, but that one is a killer.

We'll see how long-term this adjustment period is for Dame. I hope I'm wrong and Dame's fit under Billups doesn't become a point of concern.

I think the fact that dame can now be easily guarded by the other teams SF, instead of the other teams PG, has as much to do with his struggles as anything.

With 3 short players starting, and a PF that is barely 6'7", they've given the opponents an advantage defensively.

 

[Idog1976]

I think the fact that dame can now be easily guarded by the other teams SF, instead of the other teams PG, has as much to do with his struggles as anything.

With 3 short players starting, and a PF that is barely 6'7", they've given the opponents an advantage defensively.

Yep, I cringed when we ran the four(!!) guard lineup last night. Nurk was god awful, but at least have Nas and Nance both in.

 

[BonesJones]

Of course they do. Who wouldn't?

He's in a slump, trying to figure out playing without the ball in his hands. Billups might have to go back to just letting him control the ball.

He already has and it's not working.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

Think of Eric as the voice of your id. He says the wild thoughts that you try to repress. Everybody has them, he's just more honest about it. He's like a Lucky Strike: no filter.

So we just figure this is expected so you accept it? So it would be funny if it wasn't so consistent?

 

[handiman]

I think the fact that dame can now be easily guarded by the other teams SF, instead of the other teams PG, has as much to do with his struggles as anything.

With 3 short players starting, and a PF that is barely 6'7", they've given the opponents an advantage defensively.

We had one of the most statistically effective offenses last year after acquiring Powell, with that same lineup. Dame wasn't struggling with it then.

Also, putting taller players on Dame is nothing new.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I've said for quite a while, Dame is better than CJ but CJ might be the easier player to build around. CJ can play the lead or secondary role, although to be fair, he plays like a ball-dominant lead in that secondary role. Dame's apparent inability to adjust is why we've been so predictable against trapping teams. He has very few weaknesses, but that one is a killer.

We'll see how long-term this adjustment period is for Dame. I hope I'm wrong and Dame's fit under Billups doesn't become a point of concern.

Dame needs better players next to him. Players who are harder to scheme against.

You can't expect to beat teams with 3 or 4 all star level players with just Dame and CJ.

 

[handiman]

Dame needs better players next to him. Players who are harder to scheme against.

You can't expect to beat teams with 3 or 4 all star level players with just Dame and CJ.

That's been the defense for Dame's struggles all along ... place the blame elsewhere. This year is exposing that excuse for what it is. B.S.

By your reasoning, he should have been spectacular in the Olympics...

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[Phatguysrule]

That's been the defense for Dame's struggles all along ... place the blame elsewhere. This year is exposing that excuse for what it is. B.S.

By your reasoning, he should have been spectacular in the Olympics...

He wasn't bad in the Olympics until his injury. This year he still doesn't have better players than CJ. And nobody else is close. But he's running an offense that is trying to use those other players more.

All I claimed was that Dame is an All Star caliber player who needs another all star or two next to him of we want to compete.

If you don't think so that's fine.

 

[handiman]

He wasn't bad in the Olympics until his injury.

I'm unclear when the injury occurred, but he started off quite slow, as I recall.

This year he still doesn't have better players than CJ. And nobody else is close. But he's running an offense that is trying to use those other players more.

But he has the same players around him as last year when he was much more successful surrounded by that level of talent. Dame is very good at what he does, but it's a fairly rigid approach. Walk the ball up, mostly looking to run pick 'n rolls (not the most creative drive-and-dish passer), not much movement when the ball's out of his hands, etc. He has a rhythm to his game that isn't well suited to adapting to different circumstances, e.g., playoff traps. I believe that's what we're seeing this year with the new offense, and what we saw in the Olympics when he wasn't the focal point of the offense.

All I claimed was that Dame is an All Star caliber player who needs another all star or two next to him of we want to compete.

If you don't think so that's fine.

Agreed, but competing [for a championship] and being abysmal in the regular season are two very different things.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I'm unclear when the injury occurred, but he started off quite slow, as I recall.



But he has the same players around him as last year when he was much more successful surrounded by that level of talent. Dame is very good at what he does, but it's a fairly rigid approach. Walk the ball up, mostly looking to run pick 'n rolls (not the most creative drive-and-dish passer), not much movement when the ball's out of his hands, etc. He has a rhythm to his game that isn't well suited to adapting to different circumstances, e.g., playoff traps. I believe that's what we're seeing this year with the new offense, and what we saw in the Olympics when he wasn't the focal point of the offense.



Agreed, but competing [for a championship] and being abysmal in the regular season are two very different things.

Almost nobody has the same quality of offensive numbers after they've stopped being the focal point of the offense.

The problem is that the other players aren't playing much better even though they are getting more touches. But that's because they aren't good enough.

 

[AldoTrapani]

Sippin my tea reading this thread

 

[1 Eye Jack]

Dame needs better players next to him. Players who are harder to scheme against.

You can't expect to beat teams with 3 or 4 all star level players with just Dame and CJ.

i don’t think it’s fair to blame his teammates in this one. He has one of his most talented group of players he’s ever had around him. He’s simply missing shots and not doing a good job creating space. I can’t remember him ever getting so many shots blocked. His game is just off, with time it will come back around.

 

[handiman]

Almost nobody has the same quality of offensive numbers after they've stopped being the focal point of the offense.

The problem is that the other players aren't playing much better even though they are getting more touches. But that's because they aren't good enough.

Nice theory if it were true... Look up the season vs career stats for CJ, Nurk, Powell, RoCo, Ant, and Nas ... all the returning players. They're all at or above career levels in most categories, with the exception of RoCo. Although, even he's not that far off, 34.4% vs 40.5% FG and 34.5% vs 35.8% 3PT, with the real issue being that he's been vastly overrated as a shooter. (His PPG is way down, but that's not as much due to shooting woes as the general narrative would have you believe.)

 

[wizenheimer]

Nice theory if it were true... Look up the season vs career stats for CJ, Nurk, Powell, RoCo, Ant, and Nas ... all the returning players. They're all at or above career levels in most categories, with the exception of RoCo. Although, even he's not that far off, 34.4% vs 40.5% FG and 34.5% vs 35.8% 3PT, with the real issue being that he's been vastly overrated as a shooter. (His PPG is way down, but that's not as much due to shooting woes as the general narrative would have you believe.)

that's all true

but it is also true that as good (or as bad) as Dame's teammates perform, they appear to not have enough talent (& production) to offset bad games from Dame and get wins. The Blazers are too dependent on Dame's elite talent and need A games from him otherwise they pretty consistently struggle, especially on the road

 

[Phatguysrule]

i don’t think it’s fair to blame his teammates in this one. He has one of his most talented group of players he’s ever had around him. He’s simply missing shots and not doing a good job creating space. I can’t remember him ever getting so many shots blocked. His game is just off, with time it will come back around.

Oh, for sure. He's adjusting to a new style as well. But he also can't create as much if he's expected to pass the ball in a set offense.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Nice theory if it were true... Look up the season vs career stats for CJ, Nurk, Powell, RoCo, Ant, and Nas ... all the returning players. They're all at or above career levels in most categories, with the exception of RoCo. Although, even he's not that far off, 34.4% vs 40.5% FG and 34.5% vs 35.8% 3PT, with the real issue being that he's been vastly overrated as a shooter. (His PPG is way down, but that's not as much due to shooting woes as the general narrative would have you believe.)

Not well enough yet to make up for taking the ball out of Dame's hands.

 

[1 Eye Jack]

Oh, for sure. He's adjusting to a new style as well. But he also can't create as much if he's expected to pass the ball in a set offense.

I thought the first couple of games he tried to do it Billups way I feel like lately Billups has gone away from the offense he wants to run in order to get Dame comfortable. Bad part is Dame is just struggling to hit shots he normally hits. It’s long season so I think it will eventually right itself. All it’s going to take is Dame to have one or two big games anf he’ll get his confidence back. Honestly think the Olympics kind of messed with his game.

 

[1 Eye Jack]

i don’t think it’s fair to blame his teammates in this one. He has one of his most talented group of players he’s ever had around him. He’s simply missing shots and not doing a good job creating space. I can’t remember him ever getting so many shots blocked. His game is just off, with time it will come back around.

this has me thinking guys like Dame and Harden relied heavily on defenses fearing dame or harden drawing fouls so that created more space and now that they are calling game differently it’s allowing defense to crowd their space on shots thus the increased amount of times Dame has had his shot blocked…..well that’s my wild theory