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The first thing we should say is: not much, it's only one series against ONE team that we've struggled against for a while. Just as we shouldn't've concluded much from the win against the Rockets or the loss against the Spurs last year.
BUT, here goes:
  • Mike Conley is very underrated. Right now he's better than Lillard simply on his defense.
  • Wesley is very important to this team
  • The Afflalo trade was a mistake. Not just because he got injured - he wasn't doing jack before that. We would've got more CJ after Wes went down without that trade. And maybe some more Will, for good or ill.
  • Meyers Leonard would win a three point contest amongst 7-footers
  • Meyers Leonard does not wilt in the playoffs
  • Meyers Leonard isn't a complete disaster defending Marc Gasol (the most surprising thing of all)
  • Batum is our non-scoring point guard (see thread on: the death of)
  • Lillard's defensive flaws can be brutally exposed by anybody who can shoot. He needs to find out what Curry did to move from disastrous to mediocre and get on that.
  • After all the years of calling players "the next Vinnie Johnson" "Microwave II" - CJ is the real deal!
  • Steve Blake's time as a semi-useful NBA player has come to an end
  • We may have seen the last of Joel Freeland
  • LaMarcus is an underrated defender - just ask Zach Randolph
 
I agree on all your takes. I would like to add that our star players weren't even close to 100%, Matthews was more important to our success than many believe, maybe we should have kept T.Rob?
 
Chris Kaman plays like his nickname
Defensive minded teams win playoff series
Rolo was never the same after his injury
 
Couple things.

Firstly, I think people are way too hard on Afflalo. He never got to really integrate into our system before his injury and a shoulder injury could really hamper his ability to score. He was never supposed to be the starter. He was supposed to provide scoring off the bench. He was thrust into a role that wasn't intended and then he was hurt very quickly after that.

Secondly, there is something going on with Dame's shot, and I don't know what it is. Whether it's an injury, overall fatigue, or just a confidence issue, his shot is completely off right now and that played a large role in our demise. If Dame is hitting his threes, he's better than Conley. I don't think there's any question that he's better than Conley when he's firing on all cylinders.

Lastly, what happened to Robin Lopez? It doesn't look like he can jump at all. Most of those silly slap outs that he was doing were because he couldn't get any elevation to grab a rebound. Is he hurt? He just doesn't look like the same guy at all.
 
Dame is a god-awful defender, I could hardly believe what I was seeing.

When Lillard, LA, and Batum are all shooting poorly, we have no chance.

Batum really needs to be traded, he is such a disappointment.

Leonard is our best Center (wow, did I just say that?) And that's a great thing moving forward.

All said and done, if LA and Lillard at LEAST play average, we would most likely be up 3-2 right now. Very frustrating playoffs to witness.
 
DAll said and done, if LA and Lillard at LEAST play average, we would most likely be up 3-2 right now. Very frustrating playoffs to witness.

That's the fucking truth. If Lillard and Aldridge play like they did against Houston last year, we win.
 
Couple things.

Firstly, I think people are way too hard on Afflalo. He never got to really integrate into our system before his injury and a shoulder injury could really hamper his ability to score. He was never supposed to be the starter. He was supposed to provide scoring off the bench. He was thrust into a role that wasn't intended and then he was hurt very quickly after that. Agreed. At first glance, it appears to have been a mistake of a trade. What people don't realize is that we were clicking almost immediately after getting Afflalo but then Matthews went down and roles were changed in the bat of an eye. Arron probably isn't the best starting shooting guard in the league, but he's exactly what you want off the bench. Also, his shoulder wasn't right and really shouldn't have been playing. He's a must better player than he showed in the postseason. The big question remains: Is there enough room for McCollum, Afflalo, and Matthews?

Secondly, there is something going on with Dame's shot, and I don't know what it is. Whether it's an injury, overall fatigue, or just a confidence issue, his shot is completely off right now and that played a large role in our demise. If Dame is hitting his threes, he's better than Conley. I don't think there's any question that he's better than Conley when he's firing on all cylinders. Yes, there's definitely something up with Dame that he doesn't want the media to know. It's pretty obvious he is not at 100%. We all saw him land on his fingers awkwardly at the end of the Indiana game and we all saw the spill he took against the Heat near mid-court. The dude's a flat-out warrior and he gave it his all this season. It's very apparent to me that the Dame we saw in Game 4 was the real Damian Lillard and the Dame we saw down the stretch of the season was a bi-product of fatigue and banged up body parts.

Does he need to improve defensively? Yes. Again, I think this will come in time. He can't be expected to shoulder such a heavy offensive load and be expected to lock down elite point guards on a nightly basis. Really, I think he was fatigued from the season, especially when you consider so many other key guys missed time. He will get better, but he needs better defenders around him. Only Wesley Matthews was an above-average defender amongst our starters.


Lastly, what happened to Robin Lopez? It doesn't look like he can jump at all. Most of those silly slap outs that he was doing were because he couldn't get any elevation to grab a rebound. Is he hurt? He just doesn't look like the same guy at all. To me, this is the most baffling of them all. He definitely wasn't the same since the hand injury ... but it's not his hand that causing other deficiencies in his game. Like you mentioned, he looks slow - much slower than usual. No one will ever mistake RoLo for being agile on the basketball court, but I really noticed his lack of mobility early on in the series when he just couldn't go out for rebounds. Is his back bothering him? We all know he rests on his back while being substituted and during flights to and from games. Whatever is going on with RoLo, it vastly impacted his performance on the court. He's always been a fiery player, but he was losing his cool much too often during the playoffs. Maybe it was a bi-product of all of the frustrations going on with his game? The slaps, like you mentioned, were a prime example of Robin losing focus. I want RoLo to return but the cost must be at the right price.

Answers in bold.
 
Rasta, that was a good list, but it missed one significant item, IMO: Wes Matthews is critical to this team's success. He helps space the floor offensively with his threes and he makes up for Dame's defensive deficiencies.
 
Leonard is our best Center (wow, did I just say that?) And that's a great thing moving forward.

That's just not true. Leonard isn't even a center.

I'm beginning to think we should quickly package Leonard and CJ while their stock is artificially inflated.
 
Answers in bold.

You said that Afflalo is "exactly what you want coming off the bench"
Um, no. That's CJ. Afflalo is a decent-ish (a bit foul-y) defender who can score a bit (but needs plays run for him) but does NOTHING else. Check out his PER. And I don't mean even for Portland, look it up for this season with Denver. Check his assist numbers and rebounds. They're pitiful.
He's turned out to be one of those players who puts up big scoring numbers on shitty teams. Maybe if we get shittier he'll be more valuable to us.
 
All said and done, if LA and Lillard at LEAST play average, we would most likely be up 3-2 right now. Very frustrating playoffs to witness.

Memphis had a bit to do with how LA and Damian played. I'm going to give LA a pass, though, because he suffocated Zach for the most part, and he put off surgery for us.

This is also why I'm not going to get too high on CJ and Leonard. They were given a lot of room because of the same defensive schemes that were built round stopping LA and Damian. They're Harrison-Barnes-against-San-Antonio-when-they-hid-Tony-Parker-on-him.
 
Leonard can defend traditional centers. We saw that this series. "Not a total disaster" to one person actually works out to "best DRtg on the team" in real world numbers. He's also the best all-around shooter we have. Regular season number put him Top 3 on the team in all ranges (0-3, 3-10, 10-16, 16-21, 3pt ranges). He achieves this by not jacking up bad shots or even okay shots, but waiting until he has The Right Shot. That doesn't jive with the Stotts method always, but it does mean he's a lock for a good shift when he's out there.

We learned that Leonard gets under the opponent's skin like Joel Przybilla used to. He annoyed the fuck out of Marc Gasol, which gave me the giggles it was so enjoyable.

As much praise as Leonard has been given, I think he's still underrated. He shot 77% from three in a 5 game series. FFS that's enough to make Kyle Korver blush.
 
Leonard had a great series against one team with a center who needed to be sagging off in the paint. Let's trade away the player who turned us from a laughingstock into a top Western team to make way for him! Yeah, that's TACTICS, that is!
 
OK we all know Leonard did well on shooting... He also rebounded very well, and was our most efficient defender, and he was guarding Gasol most his time on the floor. I think a players position is more defined by what position they guard on Defense, by that definition Meyers was our center most the time he was in, because he played with LA, and guarded/was guarded by Gasol.
 
I don't think you go all in on Meyers or CJ at this point, mostly because if we are able to keep Robin and Afflalo and Wes recovers our bench just got very very deep and potent. Let's not forget that most analysts say , and I agree, that our starters can play with anyone, our deficiency has been our bench. What we need is a big PG off the bench.
 
That's just not true. Leonard isn't even a center.

I'm beginning to think we should quickly package Leonard and CJ while their stock is artificially inflated.

Leonard had a great series against one team with a center who needed to be sagging off in the paint. Let's trade away the player who turned us from a laughingstock into a top Western team to make way for him! Yeah, that's TACTICS, that is!

I think people were/are talking about his defense. Rightfully so. He did a good job guarding one the best centers in the league. That deserves some praise.
 
That Blazer fans can be easily and viciously manipulated by Jason Quick.
 
1. Wes is critical to the success of the team
2. Damian should be called Amian, there is no D.
3. Playing injured, whilst admirable and gives glimpses of promise is merely a band-aid solution and things break down again.
4. Batum. God.... WTF do we do with him?
5. Some of our bench guys have improved a lot.
 
OK we all know Leonard did well on shooting... He also rebounded very well, and was our most efficient defender, and he was guarding Gasol most his time on the floor. I think a players position is more defined by what position they guard on Defense, by that definition Meyers was our center most the time he was in, because he played with LA, and guarded/was guarded by Gasol.

Okay, but I've watched a lot of Blazers games and at no point before this series did I think "you know - that Meyers Leonard - he's a good defender!" So I have to think, for now, this performance is an outlier. Defensive stats are notoriously unreliable, and I can't help but think Memphis's system was not set up to exploit Meyers. He's big, which is a plus (although he seems to have a high center of gravity) so Gasol couldn't just brush him aside, and Gasol isn't going to outrun anyone, but Gasol also tends to operate as a passer in the post as much as anything.
The center's job is predominantly as a "rim protector" not simply a good one-on-one defender. And, other than Roy Hibbert, there are few better rim protectors in the league than Robin Lopez.
Think about it: we're praising Leonard in a series when we were badly beaten. When RoLo was playing well, before the All-Star Break, our defense was league leading.
If I thought RoLo had seriously regressed, and the RoLo of this series was the one we would have from here on out, then I'd look to replace him. But even then, I wouldn't replace him with Meyers. Meyers is a gimmick at this point. He's a poor rebounder and a pretty much useless shot blocker. He's a good weapon to bring off the bench if you want to shake things up a little, or in certain matchups (particularly where the opposing team has a dominant center who likes to camp out in the lane on defense). But if he's your starting center, then you're not making the playoffs.
 
seemed like a lot of guys lost heart. meyers and CJ only one who had fire. maybe the good players got sick of our shitty journalists bashing them every chance they got. i dont know. all i know is start of the year team was united and really fun to watch, then they lost that.
 
I don't think you go all in on Meyers or CJ at this point, mostly because if we are able to keep Robin and Afflalo and Wes recovers our bench just got very very deep and potent. Let's not forget that most analysts say , and I agree, that our starters can play with anyone, our deficiency has been our bench. What we need is a big PG off the bench.

Testify! Specifically a big PG who is a very good defender, and ideally can hit outside shots. Late-career Jason Kidd would be ideal. Trouble is, those are hard to find. If only [prepares to troll certain xenophobic posters] Dimitris Diamantidis got the late-career urge to try the NBA, like Prigioni did. I also really like Spencer Dinwiddie of Detroit, but sadly so do the Pistons, and he's locked into a 3 year contract.
 
That's just not true. Leonard isn't even a center.

I'm beginning to think we should quickly package Leonard and CJ while their stock is artificially inflated.
For the first time ever, I'm beginning to think we should package Lopez and Batum for Hibbert, while his stock is down.

Somebody talk me down! ;)
 
Okay, but I've watched a lot of Blazers games and at no point before this series did I think "you know - that Meyers Leonard - he's a good defender!" So I have to think, for now, this performance is an outlier. Defensive stats are notoriously unreliable, and I can't help but think Memphis's system was not set up to exploit Meyers. He's big, which is a plus (although he seems to have a high center of gravity) so Gasol couldn't just brush him aside, and Gasol isn't going to outrun anyone, but Gasol also tends to operate as a passer in the post as much as anything.

I get where you're coming from, but I saw good defense formatters after the ASG this year. What really improved between last year and this year, and then again over the course of this year is his box-out technique. He really learned from games in January where he wasn't boxing out... he's got every center and power forward on our team coaching him HARD, and he's taking it all to heart.

This series featured Leonard against Gasol, and Memphis decided to try and exploit Leonard ("He fouls a lot, and who knows how he'll defend a good post player like Gasol?") whenever he was in, but Meyers held his own well, and played Gasol a lot better than Rolo did.

This is why I think Leonard is going to end up being a center in the end, because he's going to be defending the slower players on the floor. He didn't do great guarding Jeff Green in their tiny lineup in Game 5, but he has faster footwork than traditional centers, and can stay behind them well.

Think about this scenario, which works against 80% of NBA teams:

The opposing center is a big galoot who boxes out and rebounds, but isn't exactly graceful on offense. He has a midrange jumper out to 15 feet but primarily boxes out and grabs offensive rebound garbage points. He's in the game to clog the lane and prevent guards from getting into the key. He goes up against Meyers, who promptly hits a couple of open threes. Now he has to leave the key or make the PF guard him while he guards our PF, who can drive around slow goons like him.

On the opposite end, he's got this buff kid pounding him on defense, and boxing out like it's his job on the line. The kid is roughing him up a bit, getting into his head. He's getting angry and starts thinking more about pulping this Adonis rather than boxing out. He starts calling for the ball to show this kid some manners, but because he's not really a post player, he's outmatched and can't move the kid. He hooks a couple of bricks and is successfully boxed out by good one-on-one defense.

Meyers ends up with 14 points and 12 rebounds. We win the game by 8.
 
I learned that next season our starters won't have to play huge minutes to win games and also learned to stop hesitating or over thinking the ignore button function here as well as a few new cuss words in Mandarin
 
I learned that next season our starters won't have to play huge minutes to win games and also learned to stop hesitating or over thinking the ignore button function here as well as a few new cuss words in Mandarin
It would nice to see LA only having to play ~32 a night instead of like 38-40.
 
For the first time ever, I'm beginning to think we should package Lopez and Batum for Hibbert, while his stock is down.

Somebody talk me down! ;)
Seems like a deal that makes sense for both sides. Can we get a 3 or a pick back in that deal? I'd like a 2nd rounder or two.
 

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