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We have a friend from France visiting with us right now. She swears that only 10% of the French people pay income taxes . . . If true, that country is going down the tubes faster than you can say the name of their new president.
 
We have a friend from France visiting with us right now. She swears that only 10% of the French people pay income taxes . . . If true, that country is going down the tubes faster than you can say the name of their new president.

the french president wants to increase taxes (i don't remember if it was rate or participation)
 
he's going to totally fuck up the eurozone debt deal, which IMO isn't a bad thing.
 
Our president was officially in the socialist party?

There is a lot of information out there regarding Obama's membership in the New Party during his Chicago days. Being a socialist isn't a bad thing, I just disagree with it, especially when the guy pretends to be some sort of free market leader.

http://www.chicagodsa.org/ngarchive/ng42.html#anchor792932

About 50 activists attended the Chicago New Party membership meeting in July. The purpose of the meeting was to update members on local activities and to hear appeals for NP support from four potential political candidates. The NP is being very active in organization building and politics. There are 300 members in Chicago. In order to build an organizational and financial base the NP is sponsoring house parties. Locally it has been successful both fiscally and in building a grassroots base. Nationwide it has resulted in 1000 people committed to monthly contributions. The NP's political strategy is to support progressive candidates in elections only if they have a concrete chance to "win". This has resulted in a winning ratio of 77 of 110 elections. Candidates must be approved via a NP political committee. Once approved, candidates must sign a contract with the NP. The contract mandates that they must have a visible and active relationship with the NP.

The political entourage included Alderman Michael Chandler, William Delgado, chief of staff for State Rep Miguel del Valle, and spokespersons for State Sen. Alice Palmer, Sonya Sanchez, chief of staff for State Sen. Jesse Garcia, who is running for State Rep in Garcia's District; and Barack Obama, chief of staff for State Sen. Alice Palmer. Obama is running for Palmer's vacant seat.

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americas to the point where fuck it, socialism, just be a lazy ass, collect free money from the government and scam the system is the way to go.
 
New Party information...

http://archive.redstate.com/stories...nt_knowing_it_was_a_radical_left_organization

Last week we documented Obama’s 1996 endorsement by the New Party: which raises the question: what is the New Party? It’s easy to allege that this group is closely tied to former communists, but digging in to the New Party and Obama’s involvement, a very dirty picture presents itself. In fact, it is abundantly apparent that Barack Obama not only knew what the New Party was when he sought its endorsement, but through his ties with ACORN, the radical left activist organization, Obama used his radical left connections to get elected to the Illinois State Senate.

Most of the New Party’s history has been lost in the digital age. It was established in 1992 and started to die out in 1998, well before Google and the modern web were established. But through lengthy searches of the Nexis archive and microfilm at the local university library, I’ve been able to piece this together.
The New Party was established in 1992 “by union activist Sandy Pope and University of Wisconsin professor Joel Rogers,” USA Today reported on November 16, 1992. The paper wrote that the new party was “self-described [as] ‘socialist democratic.’”

Throughout its creation and rise, the New Party sought to unite alienated leftists who had grown disgusted by Bill Clinton’s embrace of the center-left Democratic Leadership Council. The Wisconsin State Journal summed up where the Left was in February of 1992. “Angry Americans,” Jesse Waldman wrote, “particularly left-wing Democrats, are tired of choosing between the lesser of two evils when they go to the ballot now.” A July 4, 1996, column in the Los Angeles Times by Todd Gitlin, which championed the New Party as “both old-fashioned and elegant” proclaimed the New Party as a path to victory for leftists alienated by the Democrats and Republicans. Capturing the mood of the left in a May 31, 1998 article for the leftist magazine In These Times, Doug Ireland wrote, “As Bob Master of the Communication Workers of America — the point-man for the new labor ballot line — puts it: ‘The political perspective of labor and working people has no voice in state politics, especially since the Democratic Party has moved to the right.”

The seeds, however, had been sown all the way back in 1988. Quoting John Nichols in the March 22, 1998 issue of In These Times, “The roots of the New Party go back to the aftermath of Jesse Jackson’s run for president in 1988. At that time, Dan Cantor, who had served as labor coordinator for the Jackson campaign, and University of Wisconsin sociology professor Joel Rogers began talking about how to formulate an alternative between the increasingly indistinguishable Democratic-Republican monolith.”

It is no great leap to say, as a result, that Barack Obama’s rise to the Democratic nomination is the child of Jesse Jackson’s defeat.

Read on . . .
 
americas to the point where fuck it, socialism, just be a lazy ass, collect free money from the government and scam the system is the way to go.

We don't have the money to pay out those on the public teat, though.
 
We don't have the money to pay out those on the public teat, though.

THAT IS NOT OUR CONCERN. just smoke weed, have sex orgies and blog about some sick champagne sunday brunches.
 
Uh, kind of a big detail to forget.

Hollande is going to impose a 75% income tax on the "rich" (those making over $1m in Euros) in France to pay for the socialist welfare state. Next to come will be a law that says you can't leave the country with more than $15k Euros, or so. All fascist/socialistic states have to impose that, because if not, the "rich" just flee the country.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204520204577251051439665674.html

Good luck with that, Frenchy. Can't wait to see the chaos that ensues.
 
He is going to impose a 75% income tax on the "rich" (those making over $1m in Euros) in France to pay for the socialist welfare state. Next to come will be a law that says you can't leave the country with more than $15k Euros, or so. All fascist/socialistic states have to impose that, because if not, the "rich" just flee the country.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204520204577251051439665674.html

Good luck with that, Frenchy. Can't wait to see the chaos that ensues.

Yeah, but can you imagine all the street art and sick food blogging that will result with all that free time with people not working anymore? linen pants for all! :MARIS61:
 
Good luck with that, Frenchy. Can't wait to see the chaos that ensues.

I don't think there will be chaos... there might be continued bleeding of the French economy, there might be another step taken towards political extremism... but rich folks won't march in the streets over it. They'll change their habits, up to and including leaving the country (as you know).

I heard something on NPR this AM (I rarely hear it, but my gf had it going) about how "immigrants build the country" of France. I let out a very hardy guffaw. That sort of thing holds some water in the US, but unless you're going back to the times of the Romans, I think it's hard to really believe immigrants built France. :)

Ed O.
 
Our president was officially in the socialist party?

I don't know about officially, but he appointed a self-avowed Marxist (Van Jones) to one of his top cabinet posts early in his term. The president unappointed him within a couple of days, after he was outed by talk radio.

Go Blazers
 
I don't know about officially, but he appointed a self-avowed Marxist (Van Jones) to one of his top cabinet posts early in his term. The president unappointed him within a couple of days, after he was outed by talk radio.

Go Blazers

So what you're saying is, no he's not.
 
Look it up yourself, slacker!

You brought it up, as if it were relevant... and couldn't remember the most important details. (Weren't we just discussing how you seem to ignore context in so many of your posts/threads?)
 
You brought it up, as if it were relevant... and couldn't remember the most important details. (Weren't we just discussing how you seem to ignore context in so many of your posts/threads?)

Yes we were, but I wasn't try to make a point about how he was going to raise them, just that he was going to raise them.
 
Yes we were, but I wasn't try to make a point about how he was going to raise them, just that he was going to raise them.

Saying taxes are going up without considering the distribution is useless.
 
Did you completely skip over my posts about Obama's membership in the New Party in the 1990s?

completely, no. I didn't see them directly called socialists. As far as I know, socialism is when government sponsors financial programs. I do believe nobody doubts the USA has aspects of socialism (post office). So, what is your point? Obama has ties to a party that seems socialist? The French President is a member of the socialist party and calls himself a socialist.
 
completely, no. I didn't see them directly called socialists. As far as I know, socialism is when government sponsors financial programs. I do believe nobody doubts the USA has aspects of socialism (post office). So, what is your point? Obama has ties to a party that seems socialist? The French President is a member of the socialist party and calls himself a socialist.

Um, the point was that Obama was a part of a socialist movement. You asked the question, and I answered it, yet you continue to ask the question of other posters?

Did you want an answer, or were you being rhetorical?
 
Because........socialists don't appoint, and un-appoint, Marxists?

Go Blazers

so working with people of different view points means you have their viewpoints?
 
Um, the point was that Obama was a part of a socialist movement. You asked the question, and I answered it, yet you continue to ask the question of other posters?

Did you want an answer, or were you being rhetorical?

it was partially a joke, partially just sharing the news about the french.
 
it was partially a joke, partially just sharing the news about the french.

Oh, got it. Clearly Obama has socialistic roots, at least in terms of his political career. Nothing wrong with that, just not my thing.
 
He's barely paying attention to you because the thread is about France and Europe, not you and Obama.
 

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