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I'm re-watching the game (the ESPN feed) and the Green foul probably was a good cal, imho. He ramped himself up for the foul, and it was obviously done to send a message.
 
I'm re-watching the game (the ESPN feed) and the Green foul probably was a good cal, imho. He ramped himself up for the foul, and it was obviously done to send a message.
I thought it was borderline, I didnt see any contact to the face, was there any?
 
I believe that's the requirement for flagrant 2 fouls, not flagrant 1. It wasn't a natural foul motion.
I looked it up cause I wasnt 100% sure.
http://www.nba.com/news/rulesregulations_2010_04_17.html

I agree Draymonds intent was definitely a send a message type of foul. I thought it was borderline in terms of a flagrant. Thats an odd position for a defender, you dont foul hard enough its an and one, you foul too hard and its flagrant. I thought during the game I wouldnt of called it flagrant, its close though and Kerrs fake outrage was fun to watch.
 
I looked it up cause I wasnt 100% sure.
http://www.nba.com/news/rulesregulations_2010_04_17.html

I agree Draymonds intent was definitely a send a message type of foul. I thought it was borderline in terms of a flagrant. Thats an odd position for a defender, you dont foul hard enough its an and one, you foul too hard and its flagrant. I thought during the game I wouldnt of called it flagrant, its close though and Kerrs fake outrage was fun to watch.
The fact that he didn't even jump showed me that he wasn't really making a basketball play, just looking to make a hit.
 
The fact that he didn't even jump showed me that he wasn't really making a basketball play, just looking to make a hit.
Lots of guys intentionally foul though. It was a “hard” foul definitely and hey it worked out for the Blazers so I guess its good with me.
 
IMO the NBA should have an intentional foul rule.
Like the intentional walk rule in baseball? Where you don't actually have to throw 4 balls anymore, but just say that you are intentionally walking the batter. So just yell FOUL really loud?
 
Like the intentional walk rule in baseball? Where you don't actually have to throw 4 balls anymore, but just say that you are intentionally walking the batter. So just yell FOUL really loud?

No.

Intentional foul is penalized like a flagrant 1.

It means you intended to foul. You did not intend to make a basketball play on the ball.
 
It's weird to see all those long time Laker fans acting like their lives have value because a team they like is winning.

Er, I mean Warrior fans...
 
No.

Intentional foul is penalized like a flagrant 1.

It means you intended to foul. You did not intend to make a basketball play on the ball.
Good. I wasn't sure where you were going with that.
 
No.
Intentional foul is penalized like a flagrant 1.
It means you intended to foul. You did not intend to make a basketball play on the ball.
Serious question, as a ref and player, do you think there's a place for the "I'm stopping the basket from occurring and ensuring an and-1 doesn't happen, but I don't really want to hurt the guy" foul? Or is it that dudes Draymond's size can't really make #1 happen without some chance of #2?
 
Serious question, as a ref and player, do you think there's a place for the "I'm stopping the basket from occurring and ensuring an and-1 doesn't happen, but I don't really want to hurt the guy" foul? Or is it that dudes Draymond's size can't really make #1 happen without some chance of #2?

Maybe Draymond has a kidney stone.
 
Serious question, as a ref and player, do you think there's a place for the "I'm stopping the basket from occurring and ensuring an and-1 doesn't happen, but I don't really want to hurt the guy" foul? Or is it that dudes Draymond's size can't really make #1 happen without some chance of #2?

I think the guy attempting to stop someone needs to play actual defense. Make a defensive play on the ball. I don't like unnecessary contact. I think the assessment of the types of fouls need to happen across the board. IMHO lots of flagrant 1 calls could simply be called intentional fouls and then there would be a line of demarcation between the terms flagrant and intentional.
 
Serious question, as a ref and player, do you think there's a place for the "I'm stopping the basket from occurring and ensuring an and-1 doesn't happen, but I don't really want to hurt the guy" foul? Or is it that dudes Draymond's size can't really make #1 happen without some chance of #2?
I don't have an answer to your question, but in this instance Green clearly intended to send a message with a hard foul. The Warriors lying and crying about it was pathetic.
 

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