Something people don't usually know.

[BrewCityBuck]

Re: Something people don't usually know.

Black people were enslaving eachother in Africa long before Europeans got there. African tribes would kidnap other people and force them to work and when Europeans got there they had Africans go out and capture other Africans for us to take. I know slavery is wrong and blah blah blah blah blah but it's a little hypocritical to just blame Europeans and Americans.

 

[nba dogmatist]

Re: Something people don't usually know.

What alot of people don't know is that race had absolutely NOTHING to do with slavery. Blacks were the most available, and probably the cheapest. Also, africans were primative, so Europeans thought of them as less than human. I don't think it was just because they were black.

 

[BALLAHOLLIC]

Re: Something people don't usually know.

Africans were slaves because they were harder workers than white people. They can endure more on the field. They were typically stronger.White slaves would die much faster than black slaves.

 

[BrewCityBuck]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC @ Jun 6 2006, 05:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Africans were slaves because they were harder workers than white people. They can endure more on the field. They were typically stronger.White slaves would die much faster than black slaves.</div> Your right Ballah, they sure are good at football.

 

[yankshater213]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC @ Jun 6 2006, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Africans were slaves because they were harder workers than white people. They can endure more on the field. They were typically stronger.White slaves would die much faster than black slaves.</div>Wow, what the F*ck? Because you have one skin color determines how hard you can work and for how long?

Unnecessary comment. Sounds a little racist to me.

 

[SirLaker]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yankshater213 @ Jun 8 2006, 01:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wow, what the F*ck? Because you have one skin color determines how hard you can work and for how long?

Unnecessary comment. Sounds a little racist to me.</div>wow dude relax hes not being racist hes saying that because africans were bigger and stronger not because they were black skinned like BCB said just look at the NFL,also if you want to see how africans slaves were first captured by other africans watch the movie "Amistad",btw its a good movie as well.

 

[Justice]

Re: Something people don't usually know.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yankshater213 @ Jun 8 2006, 03:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wow, what the F*ck? Because you have one skin color determines how hard you can work and for how long?

Unnecessary comment. Sounds a little racist to me.</div>I think it's more of a cultural thing than a color thing. He's saying that the slaves brought over were used to working longer, harder hours and were used to surviving with little food. With white people, not only are they not used to working in those environments, but it would probably also be looked down upon by the community. The same thing is happening with illegal Mexican immigrants today. They can pay them less because those people are used to needing less... even though the companies are paying them less than minimum wage, it's still more than they made at home. It is indeed racist and unfair, but it is a reality.

 

[yankshater213]

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No. That happens with illegal immigrants because theyll do anything in this country to gain a living, even if that means doing hard work for less money. It has nothing to do what what theyre used to or need, its what they can get.

 

[BigMo763]

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That's what Justice said... but he elaborated it by explaining why that happens. It happens because even though they are being paid less than minimum wage in the US as illegal immigrants, that is still more than they would make back home, thus the reason why they come to the US. That is what allows companies to continue to pay them such low wages, and is huge leverage for these companies.

 

[primetime]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Jun 6 2006, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What alot of people don't know is that race had absolutely NOTHING to do with slavery. Blacks were the most available, and probably the cheapest. Also, africans were primative, so Europeans thought of them as less than human. I don't think it was just because they were black.</div>If it had nothing to do with race how come no indians or mexicans were on the field picking cotton? And of course it had nothing to do with being black.....

If you knew your history, you would find it actually goes back to the bible, where black is considered ''evil'', and it was around that time where the catholic church began ''converting''(genociding) and of course the word nigga and them raping our women in front of their children,lynching our free men, and denying us rights to vote had nothing to do with being black?That's one of the honkeyist statements i've ever read.

 

[LBJ]

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Africans were not the primitive ones, the only reason that the europeans were able to do so much damage to the continent was that they introduced guns. Btw black on black slavery still goes on today.

 

[Justice]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yankshater213 @ Jun 8 2006, 04:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No. That happens with illegal immigrants because theyll do anything in this country to gain a living, even if that means doing hard work for less money. It has nothing to do what what theyre used to or need, its what they can get.</div>You don't seem to understand economics very well. Your post doesn't refute what I said at all, really. Of course they want to get whatever they can, but if they were used to working less and/or getting more salary, they wouldn't work at Walmart or whatever other place that pays <$5 and hour. When all those tech people got laid off in 2001/2002, why do you think they were unemployed? There weren't jobs available? No, it's that they couldn't make nearly as much as what they were making before... aside from that, it won't support their families. They're used to making more money and therefore need a higher income. Mexican families don't need that much money, so they work for whatever they can get.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jun 8 2006, 05:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If you knew your history, you would find it actually goes back to the bible, where black is considered ''evil''</div>What verse in the Bible says black people are "evil"?

 

[primetime]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jun 9 2006, 12:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What verse in the Bible says black people are "evil"?</div>It does not say that exactly, but it is implied, just like ''follow us or you will burn in hell'' is applied, which was the foundation of the roman catholic ''conversion'' of other cultures I.E. Indians,Aztects,Africans,etc.Many of the white people when they 1st saw colored men called them the devils people. Read up on your history.

 

[Justice]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jun 9 2006, 12:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It does not say that exactly, but it is implied, just like ''follow us or you will burn in hell'' is applied, which was the foundation of the roman catholic ''conversion'' of other cultures I.E. Indians,Aztects,Africans,etc.Many of the white people when they 1st saw colored men called them the devils people. Read up on your history.</div>Okay then, where in the Bible is it implied that black people are evil? Just because people interpret things a certain way doesn't mean it's true or accurate. Hitler told the German people that Jews were evil, sometimes using their influence on Jesus' death as an example. Does that mean the Bible implied that Jews were evil?

 

[Blaze]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Jun 6 2006, 10:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Black people were enslaving eachother in Africa long before Europeans got there. African tribes would kidnap other people and force them to work and when Europeans got there they had Africans go out and capture other Africans for us to take. I know slavery is wrong and blah blah blah blah blah but it's a little hypocritical to just blame Europeans and Americans.</div>Yeah, I knew this. My S.S. history was a civil war fanatic, and he knows all this crazy stuff about slavery, etc..

 

[coyn3burglar]

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Yea i learned this from watching "Amistad". It's actualy a really good movie.

 

[Fabolous]

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They blame Europeans and Americans because they are the more powerful nations. the other countries are just jealous b/c slavery didnt work for them. Im not saying slavery is the only factor that made nation became powerful there where others as well.

 

[primetime]

Re: Something people don't usually know.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jun 9 2006, 01:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Okay then, where in the Bible is it implied that black people are evil? Just because people interpret things a certain way doesn't mean it's true or accurate. Hitler told the German people that Jews were evil, sometimes using their influence on Jesus' death as an example. Does that mean the Bible implied that Jews were evil?</div>Im not here to debate what the bible stands for, the fact is the foundation of racism was built on the bible, whether it be wrongly interpreted or not, thats fact.

 

[Justice]

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I only asked because you didn't say that the first time. First you said the Bible says black people are evil, then you said it implies that they are evil. If you don't want to debate something, then don't make false/unbacked claims.Also, the foundation of racism was not built on the Bible. Racism existed long before the Bible. So no, it's not fact.

 

[primetime]

Re: Something people don't usually know.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jun 10 2006, 10:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also, the foundation of racism was not built on the Bible. Racism existed long before the Bible. So no, it's not fact.</div>Racism did not exist before the bible. Slavery did exist though. I believe the other continents werent even explored until the Roman conquests of the world.

 

[Justice]

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Hahahaha. What do you call the Assyrians splitting up the Hebrews and sending them all over the place? I guess that's not racism, they just didn't like them much.What "other continents" are you talking about? If you're talking about Africa, people have been there since practically the beginning of time (Egypt). And yes, dark people did live there at the time. If you're talking about Asia, the term "Asia" derives itself from Akkadian and Phoenician words, so yeah, people have known about it for a long time to some extent.The Bible wasn't even completely formed until the 4th century AD, well into the Roman Empire's existance, so... I don't know what you're talking about.

 

[primetime]

Re: Something people don't usually know.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jun 11 2006, 05:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hahahaha. What do you call the Assyrians splitting up the Hebrews and sending them all over the place? I guess that's not racism, they just didn't like them much.What "other continents" are you talking about? If you're talking about Africa, people have been there since practically the beginning of time (Egypt). And yes, dark people did live there at the time. If you're talking about Asia, the term "Asia" derives itself from Akkadian and Phoenician words, so yeah, people have known about it for a long time to some extent.The Bible wasn't even completely formed until the 4th century AD, well into the Roman Empire's existance, so... I don't know what you're talking about.</div>Ok ill start with your first point, That was not racism. It was religous persucution. It's the same that goes on between the muslims and islam to this day. They may be different races, but that is not the issue and never was.Also if we're talking about Africa, I believe some explorer originally opened the spice routes around the early 1200s, so trade there was pretty much inexcessible, meaning if there were people there other then african decent, it was a very few number. I believe the same was with Asia, and as late as maybe the 1600s, you see a ship back then couldnt travel around the world.

Also we are talking about the old testament, which has been around since around 1500-3000 B.C. which would have been around the time of your ancient egyptians. Remember early bible followers burned down one of the greek temples( I forgot the name, took world history way back) which is one of the ancient wonders of the world.Exploration of the world didnt begin until some time in the ADs and really didnt begin expanding until the 1400s, so really man had no knowledge for the most part of these places, and with how underdeveloped the world was, it was really no concern.

 

[Justice]

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It's obvious you really don't have any clue what you're talking about. Okay, yeah, there wasn't exploration before a certain point in history. BUT ALL THE PEOPLE ORIGINATED IN THE SAME PLACE. Black people, yellow people, red people... Biblically, scientifically, and historically, people believe that human life originated in the Middle East. I know you're talking about Old Testament scriptures, but I highly doubt you have any evidence that racism was first originated in a certain time or that people weren't racist before the Old Testament. The fact that the Old Testament seems to suggest that racism (hint: look up the story of the good Samaritan) was occurring in that time tells me that it wasn't something that was started by the Bible.It's really nothing like what is happening with Muslims today. The Shi'ites and Sunnis share many similarities (same god, very few differences between them, mostly just hatred for each other). The Assyrians and Hebrews had very little to do with each other (different race, different religion, different ancestors). Religion was an identification for Hebrews, therefore part of their race. Hebrews were indeed persecuted for their religion, but that in itself is not mutually exclusive from racism. What you're suggesting is another fairly unbacked claim and a bit absurd. But whatever, believe what you want.

 

[Waqas]

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Slavery wasn't always a bad thing. Islam allowed slavery, but it was very good to slaves. Lemme find some verses... (and make sure it is correct with my Quran translation book)90:11-1511. But he has made no effort to pass on the path that is steep.12. And what will make you know the path that is steep?13. (It is) Freeing a neck (slave, etc.)14. Or giving food in a day of hunger (famine),15. To an orphan near of kin. 4:3232. And marry those among you who are single (i.e. a man who has no wife and the woman who has no husband) and (also marry) the S?lih?n (pious, fit and capable ones) of your (male) slaves and maid-servants (female slaves). If they be poor, All?h will enrich them out of His Bounty. And All?h is All-Sufficent for His creatures' needs, All-Knowing (about the state of the people). <span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%">Free a Slave When You Break an Oath!</span>2:221All?h will not punish you for what is uninentional in your oaths, but He will punish you for your deliberate oaths; for its expiation (a deliberate oath) feed ten Mas?kin (poor persons), on a scale of the average of that with which you feed your own families; or clothe them; or manumit a slave. But whosoever cannot afford (that), then he should fast for three days. That is the expiation for the oaths when you have sworn. And protect your oaths (i.e. do not swear much). Thus All?h make clear to you His Ay?t (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) that you may be grateful.<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%">Quran Supports Kidness to Slaves</span>54:41Malik related to me that he heard that Umar ibn al-Khattab went to the villages every Saturday. If he found a slave doing work which he was not capable of doing, he lightened it for him. Annemarie Schimmel in "Islam: An Introduction", p. 67Slavery was not abolished by the Koran, but believers are constantly admonished to treat their slaves well. In case of illness a slave has to be looked after and well cared for. To manumit [free] a slave is highly meritorious; the slave can ransom himself by paying some of the money he has earned while conducting his own business. Only children of slaves or non-Muslim prisoners of war can become slaves, never a freeborn Muslim; therefore slavery is theoretically doomed to disappear with the expansion of Islam. The entire history of Islam proves that slaves could occupy any office, and many former military slaves, usually recruited from among the Central Asian Turks, became military leaders and often even rulers as in eastern Iran, India (the Slave Dynasty of Delhi), and medieval Egypt (the Mamluks). Eunuchs too served in important capacities, not only as the guardians of the women's quarters, but also in high administrative and military positions.