Something that just came to mind

[zєяσ]

Shouldnt it be considered as rape when a sober guy gets a girl drunk at a party or whatever and has sex with her even though her mind isn't thinking clearly? Maybe. Yes, she may have accepted the offer to have sex but she was not in clear state of mind, and the guy is fully aware of what he is doing-he is not drunk.

This is scenario that occurs more often in college than anyone else(from my observation) yet it is acceptable.

What are your thoughts on this?

 

[JE]

Rape due to 'not thinking clearly'?


No.

 

[zєяσ]

The woman gives consent in a drunken state. The guy's goal from the beginning is to take advantage of her by getting her drunk in this scenario.

I'm not saying it is rape like the way we normally think of it, I just want to see other opinions.

 

[drexlersdad]

if the guy is sober, and gets her drunk with the sole purpose of taking advantage of her, thats pretty scummy. thats why i always get drunk too.

 

[GMJ]

you mean date rape? yeah man that's against the rules, cut it out.

 

[zєяσ]

The point Im trying to make: date rape seems to be more acceptable. A lot of times, when people see their friends are about to do this, they dont do anything to stop yet they know their friend is about to "rape" someone.

However, if it was a different scenario for rape, they would most likely do something about it.
Seems hypocritical to me.

 

[GMJ]

Date rape is definitely not acceptable. I hope you change your panty-raiding ways when you go to college.

 

[zєяσ]

Date rape is definitely not acceptable. I hope you change your panty-raiding ways when you go to college.

Oh c'mon GMJ, i dont date rape. I'm just pointing out how ridiculous it is that how some people wont do anything to stop date rape yet they'll do something in another scenario.

 

[Really Lost One]

I think if you go to a party or somewhere with intent to get somebody drunk and have sex with them, it is rape.

But sometimes shit just happens. If you're drinking, and a girl is drinking, and somehow you guys end up doing it I don't really think it's anyone's fault really...

I dunno know though. Good topic.

 

[GMJ]

Actually date rape is something people keep an eye out for in my frat. Beating back stereotypes ftw

 

[zєяσ]

Actually date rape is something people keep an eye out for in my frat. Beating back stereotypes ftw

Im not just referring to frats. Date rape occurs outside of them too.

 

[Денг Гордон]

It's not rape, because the girl consents. Most girls get drunk as a slut defense, so they have an excuse for having sex, but they really want it anyway.

Not the case in all circumstances, but most of the time.

 

[Mamba]

It's not rape, because the girl consents. Most girls get drunk as a slut defense, so they have an excuse for having sex, but they really want it anyway.

Not the case in all circumstances, but most of the time.

That is one of the stupidest comments I have ever heard.

Most girls get drunk because they're at a party and want to have fun; just like most guys @ parties. If a guy goes to a party with the intentions of getting someone drunk to have sex with them, it is rape.

 

[GMJ]

Right, this all within the context of a sober male, and a drunk female.

 

[Денг Гордон]

If she consents, it shouldn't be considered rape. If she cannot say, "no" when she is drunk, she should consider not drinking.

 

[bbwMax]

you mean date rape? yeah man that's against the rules, cut it out.

I thought Date Rape was when you use Drugs, E.g. Spiking her drink with Tranqs or some shit like that?

 

[JE]

If she consents, it shouldn't be considered rape. If she cannot say, "no" when she is drunk, she should consider not drinking.

Basically.

 

[GMJ]

I thought Date Rape was when you use Drugs, E.g. Spiking her drink with Tranqs or some shit like that?

alcohol?

 

[bbwMax]

alcohol?

I thought it was only Illegal Drugs.

I'm A Wikipediaing it

In some cases, "date rape drugs" such as GHB[2], flunitrazepam[3], temazepam[4], midazolam[5], and ketamine[6] may be used to neutralize resistance or render the victim unconscious. Such drugs will usually also affect memory of the event. Alcohol remains the drug most frequently implicated in substance-assisted sexual assault. Memory loss of the event can lead to an inability to later prosecute as the victim will not remember the exact circumstances of the attack. As such, date rape is difficult to prove in most judicial systems. Amnesia can be a side-effect of benzodiazepines and can be utilized in a therapeutic setting to reduce unpleasant memories from investigatory medical procedures, e.g., endoscopies. All benzodiazepines can be used as date-rape drugs, but flunitrazepam (Rohypnol), clonazepam (Klonopin), midazolam (Versed), and temazepam (Restoril) are the most commonly used.

Oh OK Fair enough

 

[Sasha]

My stance on it is if you get the girl trashed, and basically whisk her off to do the deed, then it's very close to rape. However, if the girl is drunk but can still tell what she's going to do, then I'm all for it. Actually, I love it.

Drink up!

 

[Mamba]

If she consents, it shouldn't be considered rape. If she cannot say, "no" when she is drunk, she should consider not drinking.

Taking advantage of a drunken female is wrong, especially if you're sober. It's also fucking disgusting, you (not you in particular, people in general) don't have enough game to get some pussy on an equal playing field? It's morally wrong, and should be considered raped. Alcohol impairs ones decision making abilities, and taking advantage of that is wrong.

 

[Mamba]

My stance on it is if you get the girl trashed, and basically whisk her off to do the deed, then it's very close to rape. However, if the girl is drunk but can still tell what she's going to do, then I'm all for it. Actually, I love it.

Drink up!

I agree with you if she is like tipsy or something, but if she is full blown gone and someone takes advantage of that, it's wrong.

 

[Денг Гордон]

Taking advantage of a drunken female is wrong, especially if you're sober. It's also fucking disgusting, you (not you in particular, people in general) don't have enough game to get some pussy on an equal playing field? It's morally wrong, and should be considered raped. Alcohol impairs ones decision making abilities, and taking advantage of that is wrong.

I'm a big believer in freedom. The girl has the choice whether to say yes or no. If she says yes, than the guy can go ahead. If she says no, or no response, then the guy can't go ahead. If a person doesn't have the power to not say yes when drunk, then they have the freedom to change their habits, and stop drinking, so they will regain their ability to not say yes.

If someone wants to get drunk and agree to have sex, they should have to take responsibility for their actions. Someone else shouldn't be punished (in this case the man) for the irresponsibility of the female.

 

[JE]

Taking advantage of a drunken female is wrong, especially if you're sober. It's also fucking disgusting, you (not you in particular, people in general) don't have enough game to get some pussy on an equal playing field? It's morally wrong, and should be considered raped. Alcohol impairs ones decision making abilities, and taking advantage of that is wrong.

Ah, he plays the game card!



Here's the wikipedia definition of rape:

Though definitions vary, rape is defined in most jurisdictions as sexual intercourse, or other forms of sexual penetration, by one person ("the accused" or "the perpetrator") with or against another person ("the victim") without the consent of the victim.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape


If the woman consents, its not rape. End of story. If people are going to whine about 'clouded judgment', maybe consider that the woman shouldn't be drinking if she wants to make smart decisions. A sober man taking advantage of a drunk/mentally impaired (temporarily or permanently) woman isn't an honorable act, but its not rape. No consent = rape. Consent = no rape. That's it, that's all.

 

[zєяσ]

Ah, he plays the game card!



Here's the wikipedia definition of rape:




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape


If the woman consents, its not rape. End of story. If people are going to whine about 'clouded judgment', maybe consider that the woman shouldn't be drinking if she wants to make smart decisions. A sober man taking advantage of a drunk/mentally impaired (temporarily or permanently) woman isn't an honorable act, but its not rape. No consent = rape. Consent = no rape. That's it, that's all.

"In any allegation of rape, the absence of consent to sexual intercourse on the part of the victim is critical. Consent need not be express, and may be implied from the context and from the relationship of the parties, but the absence of objection does not of itself constitute consent."-wikipedia

In a nutshell, the absence of objection does not mean it is consensual. There would not be a point to getting the girl drunk then. The guy is getting away with rape. It is called date rape is it not?

 

[JE]

"In any allegation of rape, the absence of consent to sexual intercourse on the part of the victim is critical. Consent need not be express, and may be implied from the context and from the relationship of the parties, but the absence of objection does not of itself constitute consent."-wikipedia

In a nutshell, the absence of objection does not mean it is consensual. There would not be a point to getting the girl drunk then. The guy is getting away with rape. It is called date rape is it not?

I didn't come up with the term date rape. And I don't think its accurate.


Once again its not honorable, but its also not rape.

 

[GMJ]

Taking advantage of a drunken female is wrong, especially if you're sober. It's also fucking disgusting, you (not you in particular, people in general) don't have enough game to get some pussy on an equal playing field? It's morally wrong, and should be considered raped. Alcohol impairs ones decision making abilities, and taking advantage of that is wrong.

Playing devil's advocate, I've had a couple er, "undesirable interactions" due to alcohol and my feeling the next morning was never more than that of simple regret, but surely nothing close to "OMG I got raped"

 

[#1_War_Poet_ForLife]

Playing devil's advocate, I've had a couple er, "undesirable interactions" due to alcohol and my feeling the next morning was never more than that of simple regret, but surely nothing close to "OMG I got raped"

Kid Chocolate says sorry via IM.

 

[GMJ]

Kid Chocolate says sorry via IM.

 

[bbwMax]

Playing devil's advocate, I've had a couple er, "undesirable interactions" due to alcohol and my feeling the next morning was never more than that of simple regret, but surely nothing close to "OMG I got raped"

Yeh thats how Shakes Mom Pulled me too