Statement from extremity specialist - LMJ

[Targus]

Adam Mirarchi, orthopedic surgeon and upper extremity specialist at Oregon Health Sciences University, said he would be surprised to see James return for Arizona State next Saturday. But Mirarchi said that unless James suffered ligament damage or a fracture, he should return this season.

Mirarchi is not James' doctors and is not privy to his exact diagnosis but said that in his experience, an elbow dislocation shouldn't end James' season. But he might need an elbow brace.

"Returning in a couple of weeks, maybe three, is not unreasonable," Mirarchi said.

http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/index.ssf/2011/10/lamichael_james_has_been_down.html

 

[Ghost Pepper]

This kid has 200+ yards in a game that's a blowout and their running LMJ like the ducks are trailing by 14. This was not smart!!! Luckily it was just a dislocation, could have been much worse on a blowout no one will remember in 3 weeks. Chip is not thinking allowing his star to be in the game when game is clearly over!

Stats or not, use your head Chip!!

 

[Da_O]

This kid has 200+ yards in a game that's a blowout and their running LMJ like the ducks are trailing by 14. This was not smart!!! Luckily it was just a dislocation, could have been much worse on a blowout no one will remember in 3 weeks. Chip is not thinking allowing his star to be in the game when game is clearly over!

Stats or not, use your head Chip!!

Players want to play, this was just a freak accident. I'm positive James doesn't blame Kelly for this and neither should you.

James had a huge run to get the ball onto the three yard line. Most coaches usually try to reward their player for a great play by giving him a chance on the goal line for a touchdown. Just a freak accident, nothing more, and no blame should be put on anybody.

I can tell you this, no coach calls their plays on the oft chance that their player might get hurt.

 

[Ghost Pepper]

No, but a wise coach that has Stanford and USC coming up sits their star with a 21 point cushion, 2 td's and over 200 yards rushing! LMJ had nothing else to prove that evening!

 

[Wheels]

No, but a wise coach that has Stanford and USC coming up sits their star with a 21 point cushion, 2 td's and over 200 yards rushing! LMJ had nothing else to prove that evening!

there was like 14 minutes left in the game. 21 points isnt exactly insurmountable in that time.

 

[THE HCP]

Had he just scored that TD right before, he would have been done for the night.

 

[Natebishop3]

Had he just scored that TD right before, he would have been done for the night.

Exactly.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

It seems to me that Chip keeps both Thomas & LMJ in too long- well after games have been decided. We can speculate as to the reasons, but I hope he has learned his lesson.

 

[Da_O]

People can't be serious. Learned his lesson? You can't coach Football thinking that your players could get hurt during every play. It's just the risk the players take playing this game.

It's sad that James got hurt, but I'm sure if he could do it all over again, he'd still want the ball on the three yard line to put the dagger in.

 

[Ghost Pepper]

Da_O,

I'm making a different point, if the game was close no problem playing LMJ it's football! 21 point cushion and weapons like the Mamba and Colt to go to.... Ya sit your 200 yard rusher. His stats needed no more cushion that night. Further guys like Colt are not being developed and our TE game needs to be worked on. 3 extra yards for LMJ mean very little at that point.

 

[Wheels]

agree to disagree I guess. 21 points in 14 minutes is not impossible. Kickoff returned for a TD PIck 6. Fumble recovery. Those are all about 10 second plays that could get it within 2 TD's. If the game is out of reach then yes absolutely you sit your best players. But this game wasnt out of reach. And I know we spanked them, but I think you are SEVERELY underrating the athletes programs like Cal has vs programs like Nevada or Missouri St has.

 

[Da_O]

Da_O,

I'm making a different point, if the game was close no problem playing LMJ it's football! 21 point cushion and weapons like the Mamba and Colt to go to.... Ya sit your 200 yard rusher. His stats needed no more cushion that night. Further guys like Colt are not being developed and our TE game needs to be worked on. 3 extra yards for LMJ mean very little at that point.

Your point is irrelevant. You can get hurt at anytime and during any play. Did not matter how much they were up and how much time was left. Coaches never call plays based on fear of injury. The sooner you get that through your head the better. And like Wheels already pointed out 21 point lead is by no way a done deal.

How could anyone see anything wrong with letting James try to finish off that drive, which by the way he had a big run to get them on the goal line.

People always try to place blame on somebody, why should there be blame? It's nobodies fault, just a freak accident.

Furthermore, I guarantee coaches also could care less about what stats players have during a game. They care about winning.

 

[tlongII]

http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/2011/10/08/1769737/stephanie-pedersen-commentary.html

Hopefully, many coaches around the country were watching. It should be a lesson learned. Was padding James’ stats for a possible Heisman (which he now will probably have no part in) worth throwing the season down the toilet? I’m guessing not.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

dat will step in and the machine will keep on rolling

 

[Natebishop3]

http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/2011/10/08/1769737/stephanie-pedersen-commentary.html

James will have no part in the Heisman discussion? Wrong.

Season is thrown down the toilet? Wrong.

James' stats being padded? Wrong.

 

[tlongII]

I dunno. I think an argument can be made for stat padding.

 

[Natebishop3]

I dunno. I think an argument can be made for stat padding.

The game still felt like it wasn't put away until that touchdown.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I dunno. I think an argument can be made for stat padding.

Clearly his stats are being padded by Chip keeping him in too long after games have been decided.

 

[Ghost Pepper]

DA_O, so you're saying the Ducks at home in Autzen with a 21 point lead on the 3 yard line about to score again would all the sudden lose "THAT GAME" because LMJ took a seat? WOW!! Lot of confidence you have in the rest of the team there!

I played college football and I know for a fact our coaches pulled our stars as to not get them hurt for upcoming games that were more important when it was a blowout. 3 touchdown lead and Cals QB hearing footsteps in the 4th is not something to fear for the Ducks or the Autzen faithful! Besides the Mamba was doing quite well that night and a simple dump pass to Colt over the top would have been a very smart play too, or even have DT run it in on simple QB keep on misdirection. It's not like we don't have any other weapons!!!

BTW- The Ducks haven't lost a home game since Sept. 2008!!!

Everyone but you seems to understand that LMJ was stat padding that game because he's competing for a Heisman this year. Well next game "IF HE PLAYS" every defensive player hence forth will me going to strip and rip the ball from his sore arm. BTW- ASU is a ranked team and one for his stats that he really did want to look good in!

To be realistic if the Ducks lose one game because LMJ is injured or not up to form you think Chip's not going to be questioned NATIONALLY for leaving him in that Cal game? "GET THIS THROUGH YOUR HEAD"..... HE WILL!!!!!

I don't mind you have a difference of opinion it's what these boards are for, but to say leaving LMJ in because we needed another score to solidify that win is ingorant and laughable and now costly with ASU and Stanford coming up!

 

[Wheels]

DA_O, so you're saying the Ducks at home in Autzen with a 21 point lead on the 3 yard line about to score again would all the sudden lose "THAT GAME" because LMJ took a seat? WOW!! Lot of confidence you have in the rest of the team there!

What happens if one of the backup's fumble it there? Why didnt Thomas get pulled in favor of Bennett? What if he makes a wrong read and throws a pick 6? Then that 21 point lead looks a lot less cushiony at 14 with 14 min to go.

Cals QB hearing footsteps in the 4th is not something to fear for the Ducks or the Autzen faithful!

Would he hear those same footsteps against the backup Defense for Oregon?

even have DT run it in on simple QB keep on misdirection. It's not like we don't have any other weapons!!!

But by your reasoning Thomas should have been out too cause it was a blowout. Him getting hurt would be costly as well.

BTW- The Ducks haven't lost a home game since Sept. 2008!!!

ok

Everyone but you seems to understand that LMJ was stat padding that game because he's competing for a Heisman this year.

Link?

To be realistic if the Ducks lose one game because LMJ is injured or not up to form you think Chip's not going to be questioned NATIONALLY for leaving him in that Cal game? "GET THIS THROUGH YOUR HEAD"..... HE WILL!!!!!

I don't mind you have a difference of opinion it's what these boards are for, but to say leaving LMJ in because we needed another score to solidify that win is ingorant and laughable and now costly with ASU and Stanford coming up!

Gotcha, so differences of opinion are ok. But ignorant if they differ from yours.

 

[Ghost Pepper]

I'm responding directly to DA_O post not yours, and I think if you read what was written to me I've answered in the same style as was addressed to me!

As for your post.... you're just trying to stir a pot to give dying aid to your ill thought out argument that our 200 yard rushing heisman RB after 3 touchdowns with ball on the three should have been kept in! Hey sport? Here's a big thought for you.... if he was pulled healthy he could have gone back in if it got close again! Logic, try and use some!

 

[Wheels]

I'm responding directly to DA_O post not yours, and I think if you read what was written to me I've answered in the same style as was addressed to me!

yet I still share a difference of opinion than you. What makes mine or anyone elses any more ignorant than yours?

As for your post.... you're just trying to stir a pot to give dying aid to your ill thought out argument that our 200 yard rushing heisman RB after 3 touchdowns with ball on the three should have been kept in! Hey sport? Here's a big thought for you.... if he was pulled healthy he could have gone back in if it got close again! Logic, try and use some!

I've been wrong before and chances are I will be wrong again at some point in my life. I'm giving you the counterpoint to your point. Has that really never happened to you before? Pulled healthy or not, a huge part of Football is momentum. There is no guarantee that he can bust another wide open run. But please please help this padawan understand since I have no logic. With your reasoning why wasnt Darron Thomas pulled? Since we were so far ahead?

 

[Da_O]

I'm responding directly to DA_O post not yours, and I think if you read what was written to me I've answered in the same style as was addressed to me!

As for your post.... you're just trying to stir a pot to give dying aid to your ill thought out argument that our 200 yard rushing heisman RB after 3 touchdowns with ball on the three should have been kept in! Hey sport? Here's a big thought for you.... if he was pulled healthy he could have gone back in if it got close again! Logic, try and use some!

I'm stirring the pot? I'm not making mythical claims like we were stat padding or think that 21 points is an insurmountable number. Notice how nobody else is agreeing with you? And I'm the one stirring the pot?

Have you ever heard analysts talk about rhythm or chemistry? That's why coaches never pull players out of games until the game is out of hand, because what if Cal were too come back after James and Thomas had to sit most of the quarter? They'd be out of sync a bit. Not only that but what if we were to fumble it on that three yard line and Cal got the ball(which they almost did) and scored. That would make it a two score game with about 11 minutes to go. I'm sure Kelly's thought process was to give the ball to his most trusted player.

I'm not exactly sure what you disagree with me here, do you disagree that coaches don't call plays based on whether or not players will get injured? Do you disagree that the injury was a freak accident? Or do you just want to keep permeating your ridiculous claims that the Ducks were stat padding?

BTW James only had 1 TD not 3.

 

[Wheels]

I'm stirring the pot?

that was in response to me I believe.

 

[Da_O]

What happens if one of the backup's fumble it there? Why didnt Thomas get pulled in favor of Bennett? What if he makes a wrong read and throws a pick 6? Then that 21 point lead looks a lot less cushiony at 14 with 14 min to go.



Would he hear those same footsteps against the backup Defense for Oregon?



But by your reasoning Thomas should have been out too cause it was a blowout. Him getting hurt would be costly as well.

ok


Link?

Gotcha, so differences of opinion are ok. But ignorant if they differ from yours.

LOL I didn't even see this post. Well done Wheels.

 

[Da_O]

Ahh yeah I didn't even see that post.

 

[Da_O]

DA_O, so you're saying the Ducks at home in Autzen with a 21 point lead on the 3 yard line about to score again would all the sudden lose "THAT GAME" because LMJ took a seat? WOW!! Lot of confidence you have in the rest of the team there!

It's not about the confidence I have in the rest in the team, it's Kelly's confidence with the rest of the team. It's about which player does Kelly trust the most to put that game away. And that most obviously would be James. Even if he were to use another player, Barner, Thomas, or Carson, they'd all have the same probability of getting hurt. You just can't prepare your gameplan on whether or not a player will get hurt or not, do you disagree?

I played college football and I know for a fact our coaches pulled our stars as to not get them hurt for upcoming games that were more important when it was a blowout.

Is this really important to you to bring up your credentials? You know your coach isn't wired the same as every coach in the NCAA, right? This just seems like a desperation attempt to make you sound more credible, but it's really just pathetic.

3 touchdown lead and Cals QB hearing footsteps in the 4th is not something to fear for the Ducks or the Autzen faithful! Besides the Mamba was doing quite well that night and a simple dump pass to Colt over the top would have been a very smart play too, or even have DT run it in on simple QB keep on misdirection. It's not like we don't have any other weapons!!!

This is completely irrelevant. Yes, we have other weapons but which weapon do you think Kelly trusted the most there....James. If another one of those players got hurt would you still be chiming this stat padding garbage.

Also, let me get this straight, are you agreeing with me that we needed a score in that situation? That a touchdown there would've completely sealed the game? If James had not gotten injured there would you still be complaining that Kelly should have taken him out by that time?

Everyone but you seems to understand that LMJ was stat padding that game because he's competing for a Heisman this year. Well next game "IF HE PLAYS" every defensive player hence forth will me going to strip and rip the ball from his sore arm. BTW- ASU is a ranked team and one for his stats that he really did want to look good in!

Yes everyone but me disagrees with me. That's why wheels and HCP both gave you valid reasons that back up my point. Are you delusional that nobody buys the stat padding nonsense?

I agree with you that next game, that if James plays, ASU will probably do everything in their power to strip him. The injury sucked, I do not disagree with you there. I just disagree with the stat padding notion and that the game was out of hand.

To be realistic if the Ducks lose one game because LMJ is injured or not up to form you think Chip's not going to be questioned NATIONALLY for leaving him in that Cal game? "GET THIS THROUGH YOUR HEAD"..... HE WILL!!!!!

I don't mind you have a difference of opinion it's what these boards are for, but to say leaving LMJ in because we needed another score to solidify that win is ingorant and laughable and now costly with ASU and Stanford coming up!

When I see one analyst or talking head outside of Oregon rip on Kelly for leaving James in, then come talk to me.

As Wheels said, it's ignorant and laughable, when it disagrees with you? If you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt to me that the Ducks were trying to stat pad then I might believe you, but is it impossible for you to think that somebody with disagree with that notion? If not you truly are delusional.

 

[Ghost Pepper]

200+ yards... 21 point lead 4th quarter in Autzen not lost since Sept of 08.... These are the facts.... the speculations are on the both you... The facts, stats and winning streak rest with me! Had he been pulled before the 3 yard attempt he'd be playing against ASU! FACT!!

"MAYBE" Cal could have scored 28 points in 13 mins and "MAYBE" our offense would have fallen asleep and not scored anything but than again LMJ would be healthy in the game for that scenario to be played out. I like my odds and still think both or your attemps at "what if's" are laughable and DEAD WRONG!!

BTW- Oregon is a second half team and I guess both of you think the ducks would just forget how to score for a whole quarter with or without James? Haven't in the last two years but for your fantasy "WHAT IF" scenerio okay! HAHAHA!

As for attacking my college background fine, I guess I'm "pathetic" for having carnal knowledge of coaches pulling players when games are over to keep them healthy for next week.... I'm sure you know more! I mean you guys are the "WHAT IF OREGON FORGOT HOW TO PLAY FOOTBALL FOR A WHOLE QUARTER AND CAL WON?" HAHAHA

BTW- how many points did Cal score in the second half? How about in the 4th with LMJ out?

 

[Wheels]

 

[Ghost Pepper]

Are you really a mod? Jesus no wonder they don't pay you guys! HAHAHA!