'Stay' or 'Go' - You be the GM

[Blazer4ever]

I voted 'go' on Davis, Vonleh and Aminu.
The other players I still have faith in or don't mind staying because they're not impact players anyway

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Surprisingly to me, the same two (Meyers and Crabbe) are being voted off the island here as on O-Live. I thought more players would get the boot. Granted, some have more 'Go' votes here percentage wise than on the O-Live polls. I'm still surprised that so far, posters want all but 2 players back off a team that was headed for the mid-Lottery before Nurkic saved the season.

Perhaps it says more about the way the question is phrased than anything else. Minstrel's got it pretty well pegged regarding asking how are we making these players "go".

Furthermore, there are several players (Aminu, Davis, Layman, Connaughton) about whom I'm basically indifferent. I could easily have voted for all of them as well, but I don't feel strongly enough about them to do so.

 

[TBpup]

@PtldPlatypus ...there can always be endless 'Why' or 'How' issues with moving a player. Fans can justify or rationalize almost anything. But when put to having to decide, given their contract/health/production.....do want them here or want them gone?

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Also, Aminu and Turner are pretty close to a go percentage-wise.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

@PtldPlatypus ...there can always be endless 'Why' or 'How' issues with moving a player. Fans can justify or rationalize almost anything. But when put to having to decide, given their contract/health/production.....do want them here or want them gone?

And using that binary mode of thinking, I voted for Leonard, Crabbe, and Turner to go. However, as stated, I don't think it's necessarily that simple for all the players.

To put it another way, if the question were rephrased as to "Who should stay?" rather than "Who should go?" using this same group of 10 players, I'd be surprised if more than 3 players get 50% or higher. Most of the guys exist in a gray area.

 

[TBpup]

@PtldPlatypus ....I agree with the "gray area" which is where Portland was for the majority of the season. Gray area / basketball purgatory.

 

[oldfisherman]

For me, it is more about which players will be traded that will both IMPROVE the team, AND, keep the team out of luxury tax hell as much as possible. Not about whom the fans want to stay or go.

If both conditions are met, every player on that list is tradable; while the remaining players can sit on the end of the bench if they get beat out at their position by a new player.

If Olshey can make trades that both improve the team while staying out of LT hell, it does not matter how much any of those players on this list make, or how well they play, and which ones stay or go.


I want Olshey to improve the Blazer’s team, end of story.

 

[Dougnsalem]

Sure there are some but I think that most are more informed and more objective than most of the people who vote in the O-Live poll.

True. Plus here, you can't stuff the ballot box, like you can there.....

 

[Mediocre Man]

Surprisingly to me, the same two (Meyers and Crabbe) are being voted off the island here as on O-Live. I thought more players would get the boot. Granted, some have more 'Go' votes here percentage wise than on the O-Live polls. I'm still surprised that so far, posters want all but 2 players back off a team that was headed for the mid-Lottery before Nurkic saved the season.

Because, homers

 

[Minstrel]

@PtldPlatypus ...there can always be endless 'Why' or 'How' issues with moving a player. Fans can justify or rationalize almost anything. But when put to having to decide, given their contract/health/production.....do want them here or want them gone?

It's not a matter of rationalization. Suppose you're broke--looking at your life, you have a crappy apartment, crappy car, crappy job and a crappy computer. So, which of those things do you want to "go?" What does that even mean? You could scrap your car, quit your job, abandon your apartment--and then what? You're broke, you can't get better things--you had those things because they were the best you could afford. You also can't trade them for better things because why would anyone give you better things than what you're trading away?

The point is, your locked into those things until your situation changes. Asking, "Which of these crappy assets do I want gone?" is relatively meaningless. Similarly, asking "Which of our bad players do we want gone?" is relatively meaningless. All of them? Except then we don't have a roster, so none of them? We can't trade them for superior players and waiving them doesn't help in any way.

I get that it's satisfying to say, "Let's get rid of Leonard, Crabbe, Turner, Layman, etc." But without a mechanism for turning them into better players, all it is is yelling into the wind.

 

[TBpup]

@Minstrel I guess if you compare life decisions to armchair basketball GM'ing, then.....yeah.

 

[Minstrel]

@Minstrel I guess if you compare life decisions to armchair basketball GM'ing, then.....yeah.

I wouldn't call those real "life decisions." It was an analogy--there's not much meaning in asking what you want to get rid of unless there's some way to get rid of them that improves the situation.

If you want to put it in "armchair GM" terms--waiving them accomplishes nothing and other teams aren't going to want the players for the same reason we don't want them. So in what way can the Trail Blazers make them "gone?"

 

[PDXFonz]

Why does Shabazz need to go? Dude did great this year, best 3rd string point guard we've had in years. Quite frankly I think in due time he will find a bigger role on another team.

I voted for Leonard and Crabbe to go.

 

[dviss1]

I am as far off the Harkless bandwagon as you can get! He's a CTC player and we can do better. And yes, I voted GO!

All of us, including you, would've done what Hark did. I would've taken my half a mil with me to Dubai in the off season. What would you have done with yours?

 

[riverman]

Okay, who voted to keep Meyers. Please identify yourself.

I know a swish3 when I see one!

 

[riverman]

Who do you want to keep is a much easier list....for me...Dame, CJ, Nurk, Turner, Vonleh, Chief, Shabazz, Ed Davis..

 

[PDXFonz]

All of us, including you, would've done what Hark did. I would've taken my half a mil with me to Dubai in the off season. What would you have done with yours?

My guess is give it to the Nigerian King who emailed him.

 

[tester551]

My votes:
The overpaid: Crabbe, Meyers, & Turner (trade if you can -> in this order)
Duplication of talents: Napier (too similar to Dame & CJ. We need a big defensive minded distributing PG)
Non-talented: Layman & Meyers (I'll give Layman one more year, but I don't think he is quite talented enough for the NBA)

 

[Orion Bailey]

You don't think this place is full of homers?

You dont think Homers can be rational?

I'M a homer. We don't need to get rid of anyone, they are young and will improve!!!!


ON the serious, Go can also mean to the bench right?

I mean, I think Leonard and Crabbe have to go, one for salary cap reason, the other because he sucks. But I also don't think Aminu should be starting. If he wants to start, he needs to go, but off the bench, I think he fits a perfect role here. A lock down defender who can guard 3-4 spots. Make him our defensive stopper off the bench and get more scorers around him off he bench and he is a keeper.