Stein: Nets are pushing trade for Carter

[GMJ]

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Nets’ Slide Pushes Trade Rumors…Again
January 26, 2008, 9:45 am ESPN’s Marc Stein writes the Nets are pushing Vince Carter in trade talks rather than Jason Kidd. Still, he notes, if a good deal for Kidd comes along, that could push things there as well... And Al Iannazzone writes there’s plenty of trade talks.

Weekend Dime: Eastern Conference - Marc Stein - ESPN

Catching Up with Kenyon - Al Iannazzone - In the 'Zzone</div>

 

[Netsfan318]

 

[BasX]

blow it up, start over, build for the future... the 3 have brought them as fas as they can

 

[Netsfan318]

my 4 keepers

Josh Boone
Sean Williams
Richard Jefferson
Marcus Williams

everyone else put a for sale sign on them, I'd try to resign Antoine Wright and then start building it up again.

 

[GMJ]

I still maintain that we're not forced to blow it up if we trade Vince. If we trade Kidd however, its a different story. In that situation I would keep

Marcus
Antoine resigned to somewhere in the area of 1.2 million a year
Jefferson
Sean
Boone
Krstic

+ players we get back in trade deals.

 

[User01]

I don't get it. Vince is better, younger and cheaper than Kidd. If people are offering the same or more for Kidd, why the hell aren't we going in that direction?

Thorniki sucks...

 

[GMJ]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vuchato @ Jan 26 2008, 05:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't get it. Vince is better, younger and cheaper than Kidd. If people are offering the same or more for Kidd, why the hell aren't we going in that direction?

Thorniki sucks...</div>

Vince isn't really playing better than Kidd, and I believe is owed more money (Kidd makes more per season but that becomes a moot point with guaranteed contracts). I don't think that any player is meeting their expecations save the rookie or Boone, but Kidd's increased TO's are being overshadowed by Vince's lack of scoring+defense. That's the way I see it at least.

 

[Universe]

Trading Vince does not mean blow it up, it means we have more options. Five years is a long time especailly when we might blow it up so trading him would be a good move.

Getting a guy like Jamaal Crawford or someone putting up atleast 15 PPG still makes us compete, just in other ways.

 

[killa kadafi191]

 

[User01]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 26 2008, 05:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vuchato @ Jan 26 2008, 05:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't get it. Vince is better, younger and cheaper than Kidd. If people are offering the same or more for Kidd, why the hell aren't we going in that direction?

Thorniki sucks...</div>

Vince isn't really playing better than Kidd, and I believe is owed more money (Kidd makes more per season but that becomes a moot point with guaranteed contracts). I don't think that any player is meeting their expecations save the rookie or Boone, but Kidd's increased TO's are being overshadowed by Vince's lack of scoring+defense. That's the way I see it at least.
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no one on our team is playing defense this year. Kidds turning the ball over way too much though, and shooting a terrible percentage as usual. possessions and pps are the two most important aspects of basketball, and Kidd isn't great at either of them. Vince doesn't get as many rebounds as Kidd, but he is much more efficient on offense.

 

[GMJ]

Oh yeah. I mean you won't have to convince me that there are consistent problems amongst everyone on the team, thats why I'd prefer a coaching change before we get rid of a scapegoat

 

[NOMAM]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Jan 26 2008, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>

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Wait, you actually took the time take a screen shot from that piece of trash commentary and posted it?

Meaning, you're actually agreeing with that stupidity?

 

[Jizzy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netsfan318 @ Jan 26 2008, 05:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>

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lmao, so true

 

[ToddMacCulloch11]

What team is going to want to trade for him at this point?

There wasn't much attention for him when he hit the market, and now that he's come out and played how he has this season...who is going to want to take that on for another 5 years?

 

[Jizzy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ToddMacCulloch11 @ Jan 26 2008, 06:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What team is going to want to trade for him at this point?

There wasn't much attention for him when he hit the market, and now that he's come out and played how he has this season...who is going to want to take that on for another 5 years?</div>
trade him to the knicks for whatever you can get. what i worry about is thorn getting picky and wanting more, just get rid of carter and his contract

 

[GMJ]

One option would be giving up on getting comparable young players back, and shooting for picks and contracts from a team on the bubble in the western conference. With the log jam of good teams through the 8 seeds, an "underdog" such as Utah or NO might be interested in taking Vince on if all they have to give up are draft picks.

I mean hell....we were

We got Vince for chump change, but if blowing the team up is something that the team really wants to do, then we may be forced into that situation on the other side, what with the market for him fairly low.

(hides behind couch from raptor fans)

 

[King John da FiF]

Sounds like bullsh!t to me.

 

[Denny Crane]

Any GM who'd give a 30+ year old player a 4 year $60M contract should be fired.

Hey, sounds like Ben Wallace to me.

 

[Black Republican]

Vince this,Vince that.These writers need to get off his dick.Damn

 

[Lavalamp]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jan 26 2008, 08:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Any GM who'd give a 30+ year old player a 4 year $60M contract should be fired.

Hey, sounds like Ben Wallace to me.</div>
Whoever gave Tim Duncan and KG their contracts? Those GMs gave 30+ year old players 3 year $60M contracts.

 

[killa kadafi191]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jan 26 2008, 08:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Any GM who'd give a 30+ year old player a 4 year $60M contract should be fired.

Hey, sounds like Ben Wallace to me.</div>


Joe Dumars is some where laughing his ass off but not too much because they have not been in the Finals in two years. Still they are a constant presence in the ECF

 

[Kiddisanet]

I would find it hard to believe that there are no teams out there that need a good SG and could offer us something respectable. Yeah, he makes $60 mil, but there are a lot of guys out there making a lot more money than they should be.

 

[Joey FistPump]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kiddisanet @ Jan 28 2008, 05:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I would find it hard to believe that there are no teams out there that need a good SG and could offer us something respectable. Yeah, he makes $60 mil, but there are a lot of guys out there making a lot more money than they should be.</div>
It doesn't make sense for any team that's not making the playoffs to make a trade for Carter...the only teams which would be likely trade destinations are teams with playoff hopes trying to get to the next level.

Looking at the Eastern Conference Playoff picture...
1) Boston...no need for VC
2) Detriot...no need for VC
3) Orlando...minor interest tough financial matchup
4) Cleveland...whould be interested but a package of Larry Hughers, Shannon Brown and a first isn't really that appealing
5) Toronto...no interest whatsoever
6) Washington...not a likely trade partner
7) Atlanta...no interest
8) Indiana...not likely...would possible swap involving O'neal but that might be a step backwards

9) New Jersey...8 games below 500. and we are only a 1/2 game out of the playoffs.
10) Milwaulkee...no need for VC
11) Chicago...MAYBE...but they seem to be ignoring possible playoff run

Everyone else is probably out of playoffs

Western Conforence

1) New Orleans
2) Phoenix
3) Dallas
4) Denver
5) San Antonio
6) LA Lakers
7) Golden State
8) Portland

All no need for VC.

9) Utah...maybe also but is there anybody on the team we'd even want?
10) Houston...not likely
11) Sacremento...no interest

Everyone else is out of the playoff picture.

So out of all the teams in the Playoff hunt only 3-4 might have interest and remember that's still a strong might.

VC is a Net until at least next season...just my opinion.
Unless of course we just give him away...but that would be stupid. We would be better served trading Kidd and RJ now than throwing Carter away for table scraps.