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The Supreme Court has ruled that transgender athletes in West Virginia can compete on female school sports teams in response to a challenge by the state to allow it to enforce a law that prohibits such athletes from doing so.

In a brief, unsigned order, the justices denied the state’s emergency request to lift an appeals court’s injunction, which enabled a transgender girl to compete on her middle school’s female teams until the three-judge panel reaches a final decision.

Samuel Alito in a statement joined by Justice Clarence Thomas dissenting from the decision said the case “concerns an important issue that this Court is likely to be required to address in the near future.”

West Virginia in 2021 became the seventh state in the nation – and the sixth that year – to enact a law prohibiting transgender women and girls from competing on female sports teams. The measure, officially titled the “Save Women’s Sports Act,” bars transgender female athletes from participating in sports consistent with their gender identity in public elementary schools, high schools and universities.

West Virginia Gov. Jim Justice (R) could not cite a specific example of a transgender athlete with an unfair competitive advantage in his state when asked during an interview following his approval of the bill, but said his experience as a girls’ basketball coach led him to believe the legislation is fair.

A lawsuit filed the following month by civil rights organizations including the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and Lambda Legal on behalf of Becky Pepper-Jackson, a now-12-year-old transgender girl, alleges the law is unconstitutional because it discriminates based on sex and transgenderstatus.

Becky, who entered middle school in the fall of 2021, had been planning to try out for her school’s cross country team when the law took effect.

A federal district judge had handed Becky a preliminary victory — allowing her for months to compete on her school’s female sports teams — before reversing course in his final ruling in January.

Becky appealed, and a divided, three-judge panel on the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in a February ruling blocked the ban’s enforcement until the panel could consider the dispute in full.

Patrick Morrisey (R) then filed an emergency appeal with the Supreme Court, asking the justices to take the unusual step of intervening in the case immediately without oral argument or extensive briefing. Twenty-one Republican attorneys general backed Morrisey before the high court.

“I would grant the State’s application. Among other things, enforcement of the law at issue should not be forbidden by the federal courts without any explanation,” Alito wrote, taking aim at the lower court for ordering the injunction in a brief decision.

Morrisey called the high court’s decision a “procedural setback.”


“This is a procedural setback, but we remain confident that when this case is ultimately determined on the merits, we will prevail,” Morrisey said in a statement. “We maintain our stance that this is a common sense law—we have a very strong case. It’s just basic fairness and common sense to not have biological males play in women’s sports.”

Becky has asserted the West Virginia law violates the 14th Amendment’s Equal Protection Clause and Title IX, the federal civil rights law that prohibits sex-based discrimination in schools. As a minor, Becky is formally represented by her mother, Heather Jackson, and is identified by her initials in court filings.

“Applicants’ emergency motion fails at every requisite step, including by failing to identify any harm that warrants this Court’s intervention to block B.P.J. from continuing what she has been doing for more than a year and a half. This Court’s intervention should be reserved for true emergencies. This is not one,” attorneys for Becky wrote in their brief.


West Virginia contended the injunction lacked any reasoning and would upset the status quo. The law “easily” meets the Supreme Court’s standard for allowing sex-based distinctions, Morrisey’s office wrote in their brief.

“Biological differences between males and females matter in sports. Both Title IX and the Fourteenth Amendment allow that judgment,” the state wrote.

At least 20 states since 2020 have enacted laws that bar transgender athletes from competing on sports teams consistent with their gender identity.

https://thehill.com/homenews/393789...-athletes-can-compete-on-female-sports-teams/
 
I'll merge this into the trans thread later.
 
Huge setback for feminism. After all these years of fighting for women’s rights, women are now being forced to compete against men, and are losing competitions that they should be winning.
 
Huge setback for feminism. After all these years of fighting for women’s rights, women are now being forced to compete against men, and are losing competitions that they should be winning.

Oooh, it's one of those "tell me you don't have a clue what feminists stand for, without telling me you don't know what feminists stand for" moments!
 
Not quite. They didn't take the case. Could still take a case in future. Not so much an affirmation as doing nothing.

A gay hating anti women's rights Trump supporter knows best what is a setback for feminism?
 
Huge setback for feminism. After all these years of fighting for women’s rights, women are now being forced to compete against men, and are losing competitions that they should be winning.

I won't speak for feminism. But, yes, men shouldn't ever compete against women in sporting competitions. It is obviously unfair as the women will lose most every competition against the men.
 
Trans girls and women have not, in fact, dominated in sports. The cis swimmer campaigning against trans athletes who said she was beaten in a meet by a trans woman didn't come in second. She was tied for fifth place. The presence of a trans woman had nothing to do with it.
 
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A lot of people who ostensibly are against the racial segregation of sports are definitely happy to be able to segregate this way instead. If trans kids were allowed to take the puberty blockers they want in the first place when they should get them, the dubious physical superiority of trans girls disappears. This isn’t about protecting anything except cis supremacy. This is about making life for trans kids so miserable and so worthless that they either kill themselves or detransition. You don’t care which, and don’t you fucking attempt to argue otherwise.
 
I honestly am a bit torn on this. My daughter is heading off to be a D1 soccer player this summer. I’m not sure I want her in this situation. The only reason is that chance of injury. Of course she could get injured at anytime, but I believe this increases the chances. I hope this opinion does not offend.
 
I honestly am a bit torn on this. My daughter is heading off to be a D1 soccer player this summer. I’m not sure I want her in this situation. The only reason is that chance of injury. Of course she could get injured at anytime, but I believe this increases the chances. I hope this opinion does not offend.

Wait… do you believe that trans women will magically start taking over D1 soccer and then injure your daughter?
 
I hope this opinion does not offend.
Good luck, getting offended is a full-time job for some know-it-all's on here. Not only are they expert physiologists and doctors, they'll be able to read your mind and tell you just how evil you are for disagreeing with them.
 
Good luck, getting offended is a full-time job for some know-it-all's on here. Not only are they expert physiologists and doctors, they'll be able to read your mind and tell you just how evil you are for disagreeing with them.

I'm offended by this post.

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Why would you think that? I didn’t say that.

What did you say then? You worry for your daughter getting injured in a thread about trans athletes. Please explain it to me like I’m five what you meant. I’m not offended (parental fear is understandable) but I am confused.
 
Let the women of this country decide for themselves what they would like for including trans women in HS, College, pro sports.
They earned title 9, themselves, they sure can address this issue in a fair inclusive way.
 
What did you say then? You worry for your daughter getting injured in a thread about trans athletes. Please explain it to me like I’m five what you meant. I’m not offended (parental fear is understandable) but I am confused.
You must be very new here to believe I am one to discriminate towards anybody of a different color/religion or belief different than myself. I don’t know how you could claim I said what you typed. I don’t interact with those who claim I said something I didn’t. I think you should go back to what I typed and do some thinking.
 
You must be very new here to believe I am one to discriminate towards anybody of a different color/religion or belief different than myself. I don’t know how you could claim I said what you typed. I don’t interact with those who claim I said something I didn’t. I think you should go back to what I typed and do some thinking.

I’m BlazerCaravan. We met in person years ago, before I transitioned. I respect you a lot. Which is why I’m not offended, just confused.
 
I'm not sure what the right answer is, but there has to be a line of some kind.

https://nypost.com/2023/03/30/male-powerlifter-enters-womens-event-breaks-record/

The guy who did this is trying to get trans people banned from competition. It’s really disheartening to see, because the argument stops being about trans people and starts being about Shitty Cis Males who will do harm to women’s sports. I wonder if he wants to go into a women’s bathroom to make our lives worse there too.

This isn’t even about trans athletes; it’s using the threat of cis men to do nothing except hurt trans people.
 
Well it’s great to have you back FAMS. But you should know better than to think I wouldn’t want my daughter to play against another athlete simply because they are transgender. She has and had teammates that were gay and that was no blip on our radar of course.
I simply am concerned if my daughter went up against a person with the strength of a D1 male soccer player in a competitive competition. If you take 18 year old HS men and compare their style of play against my daughter and her 18 year old female teammates….there is NO match on strength, speed and POWER! She plays on a co-ed Futsal team and it freaks me out. The refs have to stop the game every now and then to remind the guys to chill.
I’m concerned that my daughter would get injured playing against an opponent with the strength of a grown man is all.
 
The guy who did this is trying to get trans people banned from competition. It’s really disheartening to see, because the argument stops being about trans people and starts being about Shitty Cis Males who will do harm to women’s sports. I wonder if he wants to go into a women’s bathroom to make our lives worse there too.

This isn’t even about trans athletes; it’s using the threat of cis men to do nothing except hurt trans people.
I don't disagree with you at all. But the fact that they are shitty people doesn't change the fact that they exist.

Shitty people will use this to ruin women's sports for one reason or another.

In Canada the conversation isn't how strong or talented that woman is. How much devotion and commitment she has had. Or even if the record holder was born a woman. The conversation is to what degree have they completed their transition and how much of an advantage that gave them.

I don't see how that could be good for the sport. But maybe it is.
 
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Let the women of this country decide for themselves what they would like for including trans women in HS, College, pro sports.
They earned title 9, themselves, they sure can address this issue in a fair inclusive way.
When you say women decide does that include trans women?
 
Realizing this might come off different than I intended, what is the % of transgender athletes out there?

And how many of the transgender females have the "strength" of a D1 male? I'm not asking to imply anything about transgender athletes, just curious as to how many of the transgender athletes are larger in size than their opponents/teammates.
 
Just read that in the US there are supposedly 1.6 Million people over the age of 13 who identify as trans....it was a university study I think from UCLA. Thought it was interesting as I had no idea how large the community is here.
 
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Just read that in the US there are supposedly 1.6 Million people over the age of 13 who identify as trans....it was a university study I think from UCLA. Thought it was interesting as I had no idea how large the community is here.

the trans community is typically thought to be about 0.5% of the population globally, with about a 60/40 split between trans fem and trans masc. however I bet that’ll normalize to 50/50 as being trans is normalized.

0.5% of 8 billion is 40 million globally.

To put it in perspective, it’s only a little less than the number of people with Celiac disease.
 
Realizing this might come off different than I intended, what is the % of transgender athletes out there?

And how many of the transgender females have the "strength" of a D1 male? I'm not asking to imply anything about transgender athletes, just curious as to how many of the transgender athletes are larger in size than their opponents/teammates.

This is an interesting question, and it makes me sad that folks assume a trans woman is just a man in women’s clothes. The effects of chemically transitioning are all-encompassing. That there are any trans women who are still built like men is a symptom of a health care system actively trying to keep us from getting the hormones we wanted when we wanted them.

Most trans women didn’t want their male puberty. If I had unlimited access to a Time Machine and hormones, I’d never have experienced the bone and muscle growth of a male puberty. I would have instead had the female puberty I wanted.

I didn’t want to be six feet tall. I didn’t want the muscles I got. I felt like a gorilla out there every day, covered in hair I didn’t want, feet the size of fucking aircraft carriers, gross in every way. Being so uncomfortable with locker rooms meant that I didn’t try out for sports after 9th grade.

If trans kids could just get access to the medicine they need, then the trans women athletes wouldn’t be “women with the bodies of grown men” in the first place. But instead of working for the betterment of all, the cis decide to deny us health care, then deny us participation BECAUSE they denied us health care. We get punished over and over and over because of fear.
 
I have a trans nephew who didn't begin transition until his 20s. Always been tall but frankly does not and probably never will look like a man. But at least he is happy, living and working in England and has a cute girlfriend.
 

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