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beast blazer

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It's been demonstrated many times under controlled conditions, under many different experiments, for decades yet mainstream academia scoffs at it. It undermines their mechanistic view of consciousness, as being simply the result of neural firings. How could those firings every extend beyond the brain?

This shows your foundational assumptions are incorrect.

This is a more recent study of autistic children, who are demonstrating their abilities in controlled scientific experiments.
 
beast blazer said:
It's been demonstrated many times under controlled conditions, under many different experiments, for decades yet mainstream academia scoffs at it. It undermines their mechanistic view of consciousness, as being simply the result of neural firings. How could those firings every extend beyond the brain?

This shows your foundational assumptions are incorrect.

This is a more recent study of autistic children, who are demonstrating their abilities in controlled scientific experiments.
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You're obviously not married or you would have known this a long time ago. My wife seems to ALWAYS know what I'm thinking. But then, being a guy, it's pretty safe to assume I'm gonna be thinking about sex, food or food with sex. So that improves her odds tremendously.....but seriously, my wife and I scare each other sometimes with regular examples of us knowing what the other is thinking. And it almost always comes down to us thinking the same thing at the same time with no prior communication of any kind. I'm gonna assume that it has to do with proximity and the duration of same. But whatever, it's real and pretty damn trippy.
 
I saw that documentary

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Telepathy has been recognized for a long, long time. Magicians, Tarot readers, Card players, Chess players and as UCD said, most married couples who actually listen to each other. My wife and I can finish each other's sentences or will come up with the same shopping list at the same moment...Don't forget to pick up laundry soap...just put it on my list. I guess it's one of those things that if you don't use it, you lose it. I'm pretty sure hearing impaired and probably visually impaired people have highly sensitive telepathic instincts.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
You're obviously not married or you would have known this a long time ago. My wife seems to ALWAYS know what I'm thinking. But then, being a guy, it's pretty safe to assume I'm gonna be thinking about sex, food or food with sex. So that improves her odds tremendously.....but seriously, my wife and I scare each other sometimes with regular examples of us knowing what the other is thinking. And it almost always comes down to us thinking the same thing at the same time with no prior communication of any kind. I'm gonna assume that it has to do with proximity and the duration of same. But whatever, it's real and pretty damn trippy.
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There have been many experiments trying to prove with any validity that telepathy or other classifications of ESP exist and have any efficacy.

We had the government attempt this with MK ultra, Men who stare at goats and such. They tried to have Soldiers use mind control to take over others and kill. They tried to have subjects use telepathy and astral projection to view secret enemy sites.

We have had universities and other scientific organizations test subjects using any number of methods including Zener cards, drawings, blindfolds, attempts to communicate with others in different rooms, etc etc.

Though there have been some seeming successes there have been issues with controls and repeatability. Telepathy has not been proven and yes continues to be labeled as pseudoscience.

Magicians who claim telepathy are actually employing methods that are quite straightforward such as using listening devices or a confederate who listens in a reports back.

On those talk to the dead shows where they seem to pick random people and pretend to talk to someone from beyond related to them, often they listened to you while you were in line, researched you online, etc etc.

Now, actually telepathy or other forms of ESP may indeed exist. It is certainly an interesting phenomenon to study. But, it has not been proven to be real at this point.
 
I don't need no science. I've experienced it many times, as has my ex-wife. Often when I think of her, she soon calls. A couple of years ago, I was on a streak. Every time I'd wonder how an old celebrity was doing, he'd die in a few months.
 
jlprk said:
I don't need no science. I've experienced it many times, as has my ex-wife. Often when I think of her, she soon calls. A couple of years ago, I was on a streak. Every time I'd wonder how an old celebrity was doing, he'd die in a few months.
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Those kind of things certainly happen. I know there are times when I have the feeling something is going to happen and it does.
 
Most of you are saying it exists due to mind reading of loved ones. Are those more about getting to know one another through time shared though?
What about with strangers?

This topic has fascinated me since I was a child.

I think there is a difference between my wife knowing what I want for dinner without asking vs knowing what the person across from me on the subway is thinking.
 
Chris Craig said:
There have been many experiments trying to prove with any validity that telepathy or other classifications of ESP exist and have any efficacy.

We had the government attempt this with MK ultra, Men who stare at goats and such. They tried to have Soldiers use mind control to take over others and kill. They tried to have subjects use telepathy and astral projection to view secret enemy sites.

We have had universities and other scientific organizations test subjects using any number of methods including Zener cards, drawings, blindfolds, attempts to communicate with others in different rooms, etc etc.

Though there have been some seeming successes there have been issues with controls and repeatability. Telepathy has not been proven and yes continues to be labeled as pseudoscience.

Magicians who claim telepathy are actually employing methods that are quite straightforward such as using listening devices or a confederate who listens in a reports back.

On those talk to the dead shows where they seem to pick random people and pretend to talk to someone from beyond related to them, often they listened to you while you were in line, researched you online, etc etc.

Now, actually telepathy or other forms of ESP may indeed exist. It is certainly an interesting phenomenon to study. But, it has not been proven to be real at this point.
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You don't seem to be familiar with the ganzfeld experiments. The effect has been repeated many times over decades, and that is just one example of a type of experiment that has proven this effect.

There are magician tricks, yes. But there have also been a lot of well controlled scientific experiments. The results of which are not acknowledged because we our models can't account for them. That's how scientists usually roll, but it's not science.

 
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beast blazer said:
You don't seem to be familiar with the ganzfeld experiments. The effect has been repeated many times over decades, and that is just one example of a type of experiment that has proven this effect.

There are magician tricks, yes. But there have also been a lot of well controlled scientific experiments. The results of which are not acknowledged because we our models can't account for them. That's how scientists usually roll, but it's not science.

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I am familiar with these experiments. There are fundamental flaws in the methods in which they were carried out. Though they achieved results, those results remain questionable.

The method involved putting one person in a room and depriving them of senses by covering their eyes and putting white noise head phones on. They would speak out saying what they saw. Another person in another room looks at an image and sends out a "telepathic" thought of a certain image.


Then after some time the person being deprived of their senses would have those apparatus removed and look at a series of pictures and try to choose the right one. This was where most of the results came from and a lot of it was purely chance.

There were many issues with proper control
  • There was an inherent bias in how they chose subjects. They only chose subjects who believed in ESP among other things.
  • The rooms rooms and apparatus made have not provided for a completely sound proof experiment
  • There may have been cues given during the picture phase and the pictures may have not been randomized
  • They failed to document large parts of the experiment and made assumptions in their statistical gathering (they assumed in any successful result the existence of esp leaving out the probability of chance)
There was fundamentally so many issues with the experiments, that they cannot be seen as sound. When you do these kind of experiments or any experiment for that matter you have to remove all possible external factors. You have to account for all the variables. They simply didn't here.

It's an intriguing experiment, but like others there are holes. I would love for telepathy and other forms of ESP to exist. One wants to think that we have these super abilities hidden away that we can somehow access. It just hasn't been concretely proven yet.
 
TradeNurkicNow said:
You're telling me the guy who sees conspiracy theories everywhere ALSO is convinced telepathy is real after watching 2 youtube videos? SHOCKED
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It's possible, it's just not proven.
 
If telepathy is real, then why aren’t there more very rich telepathists cashing in on their powers?
 
e_blazer said:
If telepathy is real, then why aren’t there more very rich telepathists cashing in on their powers?
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Oh, but maybe there are. Maybe every billionaire is a telepathist. Maybe that's the only way to succeed in business/investing.

Elon is the greatest mind reader in human history. That's why he seems so empathetic.

barfo
 
e_blazer said:
If telepathy is real, then why aren’t there more very rich telepathists cashing in on their powers?
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There are certainly people cashing in on the idea of telepathy. But, they aren't really using telepathy.
 
bulls_with_booz said:
just want to say it's nice that you guys weren't assholes about beast having an interest in telepathy. deceptively cute thread :smiley-mazi:
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I am interested in it to. I have taken classes on the subject and studied it. It's fun to think about and to talk about. Glad to have the conversation.
 
Seems to me anyone who believes in prayer must believe in telepathy. Millions of people claim to talk to god everyday. Cloistered Monks and Nuns would take vows of silence and only talk through prayer. Taoist Monks chant and meditate and use prayer wheels to talk to god. Pretty old belief systems. I don't think any of them require proof or scientific validation and pretty much practice based purely on blind faith.
 
Chris Craig said:
I am familiar with these experiments. There are fundamental flaws in the methods in which they were carried out. Though they achieved results, those results remain questionable.

The method involved putting one person in a room and depriving them of senses by covering their eyes and putting white noise head phones on. They would speak out saying what they saw. Another person in another room looks at an image and sends out a "telepathic" thought of a certain image.


Then after some time the person being deprived of their senses would have those apparatus removed and look at a series of pictures and try to choose the right one. This was where most of the results came from and a lot of it was purely chance.

There were many issues with proper control
  • There was an inherent bias in how they chose subjects. They only chose subjects who believed in ESP among other things.
  • The rooms rooms and apparatus made have not provided for a completely sound proof experiment
  • There may have been cues given during the picture phase and the pictures may have not been randomized
  • They failed to document large parts of the experiment and made assumptions in their statistical gathering (they assumed in any successful result the existence of esp leaving out the probability of chance)
There was fundamentally so many issues with the experiments, that they cannot be seen as sound. When you do these kind of experiments or any experiment for that matter you have to remove all possible external factors. You have to account for all the variables. They simply didn't here.

It's an intriguing experiment, but like others there are holes. I would love for telepathy and other forms of ESP to exist. One wants to think that we have these super abilities hidden away that we can somehow access. It just hasn't been concretely proven yet.
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You might say the students who signed up to be in the study had interest in ESP, but what on earth would that matter? The effect is not supposed to be possible. But they have found that when the pairs have a personal connection, or have a long history of a meditation practice, or claim to experience form of extra sensory preception, the success rate is much higher.

Your other bullet points are simply not true. The experiments have accounted for those things. The target pictures randomly chosen by a computer, the order presented randomly displayed, double blind. Did you get this list from an AI source or something? Look into the actual research and evidence.

The last bullet point makes no sense. It's the statistical evaluation which reveals if something is due to chance or if there is another affect. That's how literally every scientific study works.
 
beast blazer said:
You might say the students who signed up to be in the study had interest in ESP, but what on earth would that matter? The effect is not supposed to be possible. But they have found that when the pairs have a personal connection, or have a long history of a meditation practice, or claim to experience form of extra sensory preception, the success rate is much higher.

Your other bullet points are simply not true. The experiments have accounted for those things. The target pictures randomly chosen by a computer, the order presented randomly displayed, double blind. Did you get this list from an AI source or something? Look into the actual research and evidence.

The last bullet point makes no sense. It's the statistical evaluation which reveals if something is due to chance or if there is another affect. That's how literally every scientific study works.
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It matters because that brings bias into the experiment and shows a lack of proper controls.

They are true. Computers were used later after all the mistakes of the original experiments were brought into question.

Though the computer version of the experiment also had issues. The more a target picture was shown, the higher percentage it was guessed. Target pictures shown once were guessed within the probability of chance. This suggests issues with randomness and the use of patterns as visual cues.

I studied this in college and on my own time as it's a subject that greatly interests me.

The last bullet point makes perfect sense. For the experiment to be accurate, you must account for every factor, including chance. There must be an expectation of chance. A percentage of right guesses would have to be just that guesses, chance. Someone with true ESP would be expected to be able to choose the right target above that modicum of chance.

While the computer version of the experiment fixed many issues from the earlier version, including the expectation of chance, it still had issues. Like I said, those who saw the target picture on the computer once guessed within the percentage of chance. Those who saw it multiple times guessed right at a higher percentage...but it left questions of whether the subjects were actually using telepathy or just recognizing patterns.

Again, I find the subject intriguing and would like nothing more for telepathy to be a proven ability, but it just hasn't yet. Maybe that will change.
 
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