The 2010 Draft was really crappy!

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With Armon being waived, I wanted to check to see if there was an obviously better player we should've taken instead. And while a couple of names suggest themselves (Jeremy Evans, for example) it just became obvious that that whole draft was really sucky. Here it is:
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1 	Washington Wizards  	John Wall PG, 6-4, 195 Kentucky 
2 	Philadelphia 76ers  	Evan Turner SG, 6-7, 214 Ohio State 
3 	New Jersey Nets  	Derrick Favors F, 6-10, 246 Georgia Tech 
4 	Minnesota Timberwolves  Wesley Johnson F, 6-7, 195 Syracuse 
5 	Sacramento Kings  	DeMarcus Cousins C, 6-11, 290 Kentucky 
6 	Golden State Warriors  	Ekpe Udoh F, 6-10, 240 Baylor 
7 	Detroit Pistons  	Greg Monroe F, 6-11, 240 Georgetown 
8 	Los Angeles Clippers  	Al-Farouq Aminu F, 6-8, 210 Wake Forest 
9 	Utah Jazz 		Gordon Hayward F, 6-8, 200 Butler 
10 	Indiana Pacers  	Paul George F, 6-9, 185 Fresno State 
11 	New Orleans Hornets  	Cole Aldrich C, 6-11, 245 Kansas 
12 	Memphis Grizzlies  	Xavier Henry G, 6-6, 210 Kansas 
13 	Toronto Raptors  	Ed Davis F, 6-9, 215 North Carolina 
14 	Houston Rockets  	Patrick Patterson F, 6-8, 223 Kentucky 
15 	Milwaukee Bucks 	Larry Sanders F, 6-9, 205 Virginia Commonwealth 
16 	Minnesota Timberwolves 	[B]Luke Babbitt[/B] (traded to Portland) F, 6-7, 215 Nevada 
17 	Chicago Bulls 		Kevin Seraphin F, 6-9, 265 France 
18 	Oklahoma City Thunder 	Eric Bledsoe G, 6-1, 190 Kentucky 
19 	Boston Celtics  	Avery Bradley G, 6-3, 180 Texas 
20 	San Antonio Spurs  	James Anderson G, 6-6, 195 Oklahoma State 
21 	Oklahoma City Thunder  	Craig Brackens F, 6-10, 230 Iowa State 
22 	Portland Trail Blazers  [B]Elliot Williams[/B] G, 6-5, 180 Memphis 
23 	Minnesota Timberwolves 	Trevor Booker F, 6-7, 240 Clemson 
24 	Atlanta Hawks  		Damion James (traded to New Jersey) F, 6-7, 225 Texas 
25 	Memphis Grizzlies 	Dominique Jones (Traded to Dallas) G, 6-4, 215 South Florida 
26 	Oklahoma City Thunder 	Quincy Pondexter F, 6-6, 225 Washington 
27 	New Jersey Nets 	Jordan Crawford (Traded to Atlanta) G, 6-4, 195 Xavier 
28 	Memphis Grizzlies 	Greivis Vasquez G, 6-6, 210 Maryland 
29 	Orlando Magic  		Daniel Orton C, 6-10, 260 Kentucky 
30 	Washington Wizards 	Lazar Hayward F, 6-5, 225 Marquette 

31 	New Jersey Nets  	Tibor Pleiss (Traded to Atlanta, then Oklahoma City) C, 7-1, 220 Germany
32 	Oklahoma City Thunder 	Dexter Pittman C, 6-11, 303 Texas 
33 	Sacramento Kings  	Hassan Whiteside C, 7-0, 235 Marshall 
34 	Portland Trail Blazers 	[B]Armon Johnson[/B] G, 6-3, 195 Nevada 
35 	Washington Wizards  	Nemanja Bjelica F, 6-10, 223 Serbia (Red Star Serbia) 
36 	Detroit Pistons  	Terrico White G, 6-5, 200 Mississippi 
37 	Milwaukee Bucks 	Darington Hobson F, 6-6, 205 New Mexico 
38 	New York Knicks  	Andy Rautins G, 6-5, 190 Syracuse 
39 	New York Knicks 	Landry Fields F, 6-7, 210 Stanford 
40 	Indiana Pacers  	Lance Stephenson G, 6-5, 225 Cincinnati 
41 	Miami Heat 		Jarvis Varnado F, 6-10, 210 Mississippi State 
42 	Miami Heat 		Butler F, 6-7, 225 West Virginia 
43 	Los Angeles 		Lakers Devin Ebanks F, 6-8, 210 West Virginia 
44 	Milwaukee Bucks 	Jerome Jordan C, 7-0, 235 Tulsa 
45 	Minnesota Timberwolves 	Paulao Prestes C, 6-10, 275 Brazil 
46 	Phoenix Suns 		Gani Lawal F, 6-9, 230 Georgia Tech 
47 	Milwaukee Bucks  	Tiny Gallon F, 6-10, 302 Oklahoma 
48 	Miami Heat  		Latavious Williams F, 6-8, 205 Tulsa 66ers (NBDL) 
49 	San Antonio Spurs  	Ryan Richards F, 6-11, 230 England 
50 	Dallas Mavericks 	Solomon Alabi (traded to Toronto) C, 7-1, 240 Florida State 
51 	Oklahoma City Thunder 	Magnum Rolle C, 6-11, 225 Louisiana Tech 
52 	Boston Celtics  	Luke Harangody F, 6-7, 240 Notre Dame 
53 	Atlanta Hawks  		Pape Sy F, 6-7, 225 Senegal 
54 	Los Angeles Clippers 	Willie Warren G, 6-4, 200 Oklahoma 
55 	Utah Jazz  		Jeremy Evans F, 6-9, 190 Western Kentucky 
56 	Minnesota Timberwolves 	Hamady Ndiaye C, 6-11, 235 Rutgers 
57 	Dallas Mavericks  	Ryan Reid F, 6-8, 235 Florida State 
58 	Los Angeles Lakers  	Derrick Caracter F, 6-9, 280 Texas-El Paso 
59 	Orlando Magic  		Stanley Robinson F, 6-7, 210 Connecticut 
60 	Phoenix Suns 		Dwayne Collins F, 6-8, 238 Miami (Fla.)

Seriously, there might not be an all-star in the entire draft (I don't think much of John Wall). Greg Monroe might end up being the best player! I guess Monroe, Wall, Cousins, Paul George and Gordon Hayward are half-decent, although each is seriously flawed.
I struggle to find a better draft we could have had. Here's my best shot:
Instead of Babbitt: Seraphin (not exactly lighting it up for the Wiz, but at least has size, and could chat with Batum)
Instead of Williams: maybe nobody. Jordan Crawford?
Instead of Armon: Landry Fields (not a PG, but then neither is Armon)
 
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Landry Fields or Ebanks would have been better too, but yes overall that was a terrible draft.
 
E-WILL! Damn I cant wait to see him play more.
 
I remember a lot of people wanted us to take Varnado at the time. I'm not even sure he ever played a game in the NBA.

1-10 of that draft isn't awful.

This coming draft is going to blast the last two drafts out of the water easily.
 
I think its too early to grade that draft yet. Most the players taken in the lottery aren't even 21 yet.
 
1-10 of that draft isn't awful.

Depends if Favors, Evan Turner, Johnson and Aminu can turn it around (seems most likely for Turner, but he better given that he was supposed to be "can't miss"). But that's about as strong praise you can offer. And the drop off after that one is amazing.
 
This coming draft is going to blast the last two drafts out of the water easily.

This year will be better, but I think the 2012 draft has now become really over rated.
 
Depends if Favors, Evan Turner, Johnson and Aminu can turn it around (seems most likely for Turner, but he better given that he was supposed to be "can't miss"). But that's about as strong praise you can offer. And the drop off after that one is amazing.

Monroe's a borderline All-Star. Would have been an AS if he had anybody worth a damn around him. George is going to be real good. Super young.

I'll predict Wall, Cousins, Favors, Monroe and George will all be All-Stars at some point. The rest of the batch outside Udoh will all be solid contributors. He's your typical shot swatting lottery bust. Hayward is underrated.
 
This year will be better, but I think the 2012 draft has now become really over rated.

Explain. There's guys predicted to go in the late teens-early 20's in this coming draft that would have been lottery picks in the past couple drafts.
 
I think it's just been hyped as a great draft that people start to think of it along the lines of 2003, with multiple FRANCHISE players. #1 options on teams. I like a lot of guys in the draft, I think a lot will be good players in the league, but I think the upside on a lot of guys has been overblown.
Don't get me wrong, again, I think guys will play, and do well. And am happy to get extra picks in this draft. Just seems like it got more hyped at last year's draft, when Jones, Sullinger and Barnes all elected to stay in school. Jones still looks like a guy who will frustrate in the pros. Tons of talent. Motor? And not a franchise guy. Barnes coudl be very well him playing alongside Marshall, but seems more and mroe questions come out about being a true #1. And seems to be compared more to a Danny Granger type. A guy who will score, but not be a playmaker and true franchise player. Drummond, who knows? But he might go #2 because of his size. Davis will be a stud in the league. On defense. For sure. Will his offense be there? Is he more Camby than garnett?
Again, there's guys who can play, and will stick in the league. I just think it's possible that there's more 2, 3, 4th guys than there are #1s in this draft, but the hype it has gotten would make you think there's 3-4 franchise #1 guys.
 
Monroe's a borderline All-Star.

That you can say that just shows how incredibly thin the ranks of half-decent centers are these days.

George is going to be real good. Super young.

He's certainly surprised me. He might be the best. But then again, I don't know about his D. He might be Ricky Davis II.

I'll predict Wall, Cousins, Favors, Monroe and George will all be All-Stars at some point. The rest of the batch outside Udoh will all be solid contributors. He's your typical shot swatting lottery bust. Hayward is underrated.

Wall might get there just because everyone feels sorry for the Wiz. And, after all, Steve Francis made an all-star game. Cousins has the talent, sure, but he's got a terrible TERRIBLE attitude and I doubt any coach would vote him on. Favors runs hot and cold. He could be good or he could be Stromile Swift/Amir Johnson.

Actually, I think Udoh will be a "solid contributor". In fact, he already is! The Warriors are much better with him on the floor. He could turn out to be a poor man's Joakim Noah.
 
I think it's just been hyped as a great draft that people start to think of it along the lines of 2003, with multiple FRANCHISE players. #1 options on teams. I like a lot of guys in the draft, I think a lot will be good players in the league, but I think the upside on a lot of guys has been overblown.
Don't get me wrong, again, I think guys will play, and do well. And am happy to get extra picks in this draft. Just seems like it got more hyped at last year's draft, when Jones, Sullinger and Barnes all elected to stay in school. Jones still looks like a guy who will frustrate in the pros. Tons of talent. Motor? And not a franchise guy. Barnes coudl be very well him playing alongside Marshall, but seems more and mroe questions come out about being a true #1. And seems to be compared more to a Danny Granger type. A guy who will score, but not be a playmaker and true franchise player. Drummond, who knows? But he might go #2 because of his size. Davis will be a stud in the league. On defense. For sure. Will his offense be there? Is he more Camby than garnett?
Again, there's guys who can play, and will stick in the league. I just think it's possible that there's more 2, 3, 4th guys than there are #1s in this draft, but the hype it has gotten would make you think there's 3-4 franchise #1 guys.

It doesn't have as much talent at the top as the '03 draft, sure. But, its deeper than that draft. Drummond will go #1 when all is said and done. You can get a guy like Patric Young, Teague or Wroten in the 20's who would have been mid-lottery picks in the last several drafts. There's legit 7-footers, there's pure shooters like Beal, Lamb and Jenkins. The only real knock on this draft is that its light on PG's.
 
That you can say that just shows how incredibly thin the ranks of half-decent centers are these days.



He's certainly surprised me. He might be the best. But then again, I don't know about his D. He might be Ricky Davis II.



Wall might get there just because everyone feels sorry for the Wiz. And, after all, Steve Francis made an all-star game. Cousins has the talent, sure, but he's got a terrible TERRIBLE attitude and I doubt any coach would vote him on. Favors runs hot and cold. He could be good or he could be Stromile Swift/Amir Johnson.

Actually, I think Udoh will be a "solid contributor". In fact, he already is! The Warriors are much better with him on the floor. He could turn out to be a poor man's Joakim Noah.

Haha, Ricky Davis in his prime couldnt sniff George's jock as a 20 year old.

Udoh's a solid contributor? He blocks shots in like 20 minutes a game. He's no threat whatsoever to score. I scratched my head at that pick when it happened, I still do. Dude is a 10 PER player who can barely shoot 40% from the floor despite most his attempts coming from put backs and gimme's. Solid contributor he is not.
 
I really wanted this team to trade up for either Paul George or DeMarcus Cousins.

I still have hope for E-Will.
 
Wall is a player! Stuck on a shitty team with no talent around him, but he will be one of the better PGs in the league for awhile.
 
Wall is a player! Stuck on a shitty team with no talent around him, but he will be one of the better PGs in the league for awhile.

Unless you care about, y'know, actually winning and stuff.

I can see why you wouldn't want to watch that stupid drafting thing that TNT did with Shaq and Barkley, picking their teams for what used to be the Rookie/Sophomore game, but it was pretty damn revealing that he was picked TWELFTH. Barkley jumped all over Kyrie Irving with his first pick (showing that Barkley is shrewder than he lets on), and Rubio and Lin (and even Norris Cole, I think) went before Wall.
 
Udoh's a solid contributor? He blocks shots in like 20 minutes a game. He's no threat whatsoever to score. I scratched my head at that pick when it happened, I still do. Dude is a 10 PER player who can barely shoot 40% from the floor despite most his attempts coming from put backs and gimme's. Solid contributor he is not.

Despite his god awful statistics, hes absolutely a contributor right now and it would be hard for me to imagine him not having a pretty lengthy NBA career. Rasta posted the Warriors +/- numbers, which he is far and away the leader in. Plus/minus ought to be taken with a grain of salt, but the guy leads the team every single game in +/- and hes also got the highest +/- of any player not on the Heat, Bulls, Clippers, Blazers, 76ers, Thunder, Mavs, Spurs, Grizz, Magic. Not bad for a guy playing on a shitty team, and there's certainly a trend there.

His offensive game isn't as bad as his numbers suggest, actually. Hes really not a good athlete so he struggles finishing right under the rim but hes been scoring in post up situations where matchups are in his favor and the last month or so hes been hitting a 17 foot J with regularity. Defensive rebounding is god awful, though I've read the team actually rebounds better when hes in.

The misconception about him is that people think hes like a mini-DeAndre Jordan in that hes a high flyer who just blocks shots. Hes really not all that athletic but records insane block numbers based on tremendous length and timing. Although hes a great shotblocking/altering presence, his rotations and positional defense are even more impactful. Hes always in the right place, positioned correctly, and this is even as hes gotta cover for his own man in addition to Curry/Monta/David Lee/NAte Robinson as they are fugging awful defensive players.

Hes likely a career reserve, which sounds disappointing for a 6th overall pick, but hes the kind of first big man off the bench that a championship team would have. Hes basically the second coming of Theo Ratliff, probably about 10 lbs heavier though. Unfortunately hes forced to play C again this season when hes really a PF because Kwame got injured.

I can't say GS fans are overjoyed with that pick, but hes one of the most impactful players on the W's roster. You can't look at PER with him because hes such an incredible defensive player and his offensive numbers are awful. GS is in need of core pieces whereas Udoh is a luxury or a finishing touch on a contending team. As I said, I think coaches like Doc Rivers, Popovic, Carlisle, Thibs, etc. would love to give him 20 mpg as their backup 4/5. Hes not flashy in the least but hes a winning player. Unfortunately in our situation a guy like Monroe, who is a beast numbers-wise but hollow as far as producing wins, would have been the better pick.
 
Despite his god awful statistics, hes absolutely a contributor right now and it would be hard for me to imagine him not having a pretty lengthy NBA career. Rasta posted the Warriors +/- numbers, which he is far and away the leader in. Plus/minus ought to be taken with a grain of salt, but the guy leads the team every single game in +/- and hes also got the highest +/- of any player not on the Heat, Bulls, Clippers, Blazers, 76ers, Thunder, Mavs, Spurs, Grizz, Magic. Not bad for a guy playing on a shitty team, and there's certainly a trend there.

His offensive game isn't as bad as his numbers suggest, actually. Hes really not a good athlete so he struggles finishing right under the rim but hes been scoring in post up situations where matchups are in his favor and the last month or so hes been hitting a 17 foot J with regularity. Defensive rebounding is god awful, though I've read the team actually rebounds better when hes in.

The misconception about him is that people think hes like a mini-DeAndre Jordan in that hes a high flyer who just blocks shots. Hes really not all that athletic but records insane block numbers based on tremendous length and timing. Although hes a great shotblocking/altering presence, his rotations and positional defense are even more impactful. Hes always in the right place, positioned correctly, and this is even as hes gotta cover for his own man in addition to Curry/Monta/David Lee/NAte Robinson as they are fugging awful defensive players.

Hes likely a career reserve, which sounds disappointing for a 6th overall pick, but hes the kind of first big man off the bench that a championship team would have. Hes basically the second coming of Theo Ratliff, probably about 10 lbs heavier though. Unfortunately hes forced to play C again this season when hes really a PF because Kwame got injured.

I can't say GS fans are overjoyed with that pick, but hes one of the most impactful players on the W's roster. You can't look at PER with him because hes such an incredible defensive player and his offensive numbers are awful. GS is in need of core pieces whereas Udoh is a luxury or a finishing touch on a contending team. As I said, I think coaches like Doc Rivers, Popovic, Carlisle, Thibs, etc. would love to give him 20 mpg as their backup 4/5. Hes not flashy in the least but hes a winning player. Unfortunately in our situation a guy like Monroe, who is a beast numbers-wise but hollow as far as producing wins, would have been the better pick.

I appreciate your input, but fans of teams love overvalueing young prospects. Myself included. Solid contributors should get more minute than 20 a night on a losing team that lacks big men. It could be that Mark Jackson is just a lousy coach and Udoh is a lot better than he's being allowed. But, a big man who is barely shooting 40% despite a majority of shots coming in the paint isn't a solid contributor in my book.
 

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