The Batum/Starter Experiment Needs to End

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andalusian said:
I actually love Batum - but I think that Nate is really being pressed to play Sergio to let him "prove himself" or "help Rudy" - but the truth of the matter is that I am not sure Rudy really needs help anymore. He can already talk the language - and he needs to handle the ball more - so putting him next to Bayless and make him take some of the offense creation duties is not bad. If we must have Sergio to help Rudy there - let's try Bayless - we can not ride Roy all night every night to be the only one that can attack the rim from the dribble. He will fall over exhausted sooner or later.
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i agree on roy, he's going to wear down eventually. i guess i just don't see it out of bayless. i watched the kid play alot last season and he doesn't have the PG mentallity. i'm afraid if he were to take over on the second unit that it'd be more of the stand around iso game that the first unit plays alot of. the beauty to me of our two units is that the second comes in and with the SC they move the ball and we get some open looks at the basket. sergio, and to an extent rudy, play a high risk, high reward style and when it's working it's great. when that style isn't working everyone is ready to jump off a bridge and kill sergio. i just don't think you can have it both ways.
 
PapaG said:
Outlaw didn't get to play with Oden.
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Just off the top of my head, at the start of the 2nd half he did.
I almost wonder if Batum's lack of offense is hindering Oden at this point.
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Fortunately you don't actually wonder that, because if you did, I'd worry about your ability to analyze a game. I really don't see the relationship, Greg has his own problems unrelated to anyone elses. Batum's biggest problem is that, despite getting himself in a decent position to grab a rebound, get a steal, make a shot in the paint, etc., he isn't aggressive enough and ends up losing out. Also, he's in a bad shooting slump, and he's a 19 year old rookie.
 
PapaG said:
One less player to account for on the offensive end. I guess we'll see the end of Batum starting soon enough.

I like his future, but I don't like him being a starter right now.
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If Martell was healthy, who would you propose to start at SF?
 
number 10 said:
Just off the top of my head, at the start of the 2nd half he did.

Fortunately you don't actually wonder that, because if you did, I'd worry about your ability to analyze a game. I really don't see the relationship, Greg has his own problems unrelated to anyone elses. Batum's biggest problem is that, despite getting himself in a decent position to grab a rebound, get a steal, make a shot in the paint, etc., he isn't aggressive enough and ends up losing out. Also, he's in a bad shooting slump, and he's a 19 year old rookie.
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Subjective on both counts.
 
"Subjective."

new worst catch phrase of the board. congrats you've already beaten out kingspeed/addy's "checkmate"
 
B-Roy said:
If Martell was healthy, who would you propose to start at SF?
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Martell, of course. I've said that many times before. I don't think he's an All-Star, but he is the best option at this point and can be a very productive threat on offense.
 
PapaG said:
I guess perhaps Rudy needs to start at the 3, or even bring Outlaw back, but Batum is lost right now.
He's a role player at this point and is a net negative on the floor.

He has 5 points and 8 rebound TOTAL over the last 6 games.

Why is he still starting?
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Those numbers are startling.
 
PapaG said:
Subjective on both counts.
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NO FUCKING SHIT, IT'S MY OWN FUCKING OPINION. Would it kill you to respond to my points, instead of ingeniously pointing out that my post contains my opinion?
 
bigbailes said:
i agree on roy, he's going to wear down eventually. i guess i just don't see it out of bayless. i watched the kid play alot last season and he doesn't have the PG mentallity. i'm afraid if he were to take over on the second unit that it'd be more of the stand around iso game that the first unit plays alot of. the beauty to me of our two units is that the second comes in and with the SC they move the ball and we get some open looks at the basket. sergio, and to an extent rudy, play a high risk, high reward style and when it's working it's great. when that style isn't working everyone is ready to jump off a bridge and kill sergio. i just don't think you can have it both ways.
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Well, I think that with Rudy's ability to create for others - we are marginalizing him because he plays next to Sergio who dominates the ball. That's why I think that Bayless is a perfect 3rd guard in the rotation next to Roy and Rudy. We do not need him to be Steve Nash. We need him to guard the opposing PG (something he will do better than Sergio), play a little bit of PG and a little bit of SG with either Roy or Rudy initiating the offense on some possesions.

The reason Sergio is not effective next to Roy (he needs to take the ball away from Roy) - is also the reason we use Rudy only as a 3 pt. specialist - and that's a crime - because he (Rudy) can do so much more.
 
lol, andalusian. I love Bayless as much as the next guy, but you bring up JayBay in every post!
 
MrJayremmie said:
lol, andalusian. I love Bayless as much as the next guy, but you bring up JayBay in every post!
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What can I do? When I made jokes about other things people got all upset at me and told me to be shut up...
 
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