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Rastapopoulos

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Rastapopoulos said:
Congratulations to the Denver Nuggets! They won, and they should've won, given that they were tied for the best record in the league in the second half of the season. And congratulations to their MVP: Flint's own Monte' Morris!

Getting all mad at Stotts or some of the players because we lost to a better team is your prerogative, but you look kind of silly. I'm telling you this because I love you.
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Weird. Were kind of right.

Stotts is gone. Celebrations should ensue.
 
It is what it is. Even if we won this was clearly not a championship team. Would have lost to almost any of the other playoff teams in the west, not to mention the top teams in the east.

Like I said, blessing in disguise to bow early. Dame is not the type to ask out (and even if he did, he has 4 years left on his deal).

Rebuild the roster and basketball decision making team from the ground up only keeping Dame.
 
Think about how good Denver would have been at full strength.

We have to know even with Dame, with the rest of the talent on this squad even traded for optimal pieces, we are no better than 3rd best in the NW Division. In the Western Conferece? Fifth to Ninth.

It brings up a hard reality about whether or not we keep #0.
 
The better team did win and that's on Olshey. So let's get his ass fired and then let the new guy they put in charge change all of the obvious things that need to be changed so we are a contending team.
 
Remember how pissed you all were when the Nuggets got Aaron Gordon at the trade deadline? Well, that's part of why they were the better team. Did you all forget that?
 
maxiep said:
Think about how good Denver would have been at full strength.

We have to know even with Dame, with the rest of the talent on this squad even traded for optimal pieces, we are no better than 3rd best in the NW Division. In the Western Conferece? Fifth to Ninth.

It brings up a hard reality about whether or not we keep #0.
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Truth. It takes a very special GM to build a winner in a market like Portland.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
So, winnable, but not by us? Winnable for the Nets or Bucks maybe?
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We should have won, we have way more weapons than them right now. We just don't have an actual gameplan or the ability to make any meaningful adjustments.
 
B-Roy said:
It is what it is. Even if we won this was clearly not a championship team. Would have lost to almost any of the other playoff teams in the west, not to mention the top teams in the east.
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Very true.

B-Roy said:
Like I said, blessing in disguise to bow early. Dame is not the type to ask out (and even if he did, he has 4 years left on his deal).

Rebuild the roster and basketball decision making team from the ground up only keeping Dame.
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We've been saying this for YEARS. You think Olshey hasn't been trying to land another star? The only way to "rebuild" is to SUCK for a while, and I thought you wanted to be nice to Dame? So that means trading him.
 
MadeFromDust said:
We should have won, we have way more weapons than them right now.
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Counterpoint: no we don't. You just didn't know how good their players were because you weren't following them. You think they were winning by fluke in the regular season?
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Very true.


We've been saying this for YEARS. You think Olshey hasn't been trying to land another star? The only way to "rebuild" is to SUCK for a while, and I thought you wanted to be nice to Dame? So that means trading him.
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When you have a top 10 player, you don't rebuild unless that player asks out. Go check NBA history. It's never happened.

Because the chance you hit on another player like that is almost nil. So unless you get Zion back or something, you retool each year around Dame and hope to catch lightning in a bottle. There have been PLENTY of situations in the past to actually pair Dame with a true all-star. But our FO never pulled the trigger on moving CJ or any of the other pieces they were in love with.
 
Spare a thought for @HCP. By the end of tonight both his favorite team AND the Blazers will have been eliminated.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Counterpoint: no we don't. You just didn't know how good their players were because you weren't following them. You think they were winning by fluke in the regular season?
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That's because they had a healthy squad. Most people picked us to win this series.
 
B-Roy said:
When you have a top 10 player, you don't rebuild unless that player asks out. Go check NBA history. It's never happened.

Because the chance you hit on another player like that is almost nil. So unless you get Zion back or something, you retool each year around Dame and hope to catch lightning in a bottle.
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But here's the thing. Everyone bitching about this team thinks all our players are losers except Dame. Yet somehow they also believe we can trade them for stars and build a winner round Dame. Cognitive dissonance. Dame ain't no spring chicken, either.

And hey: Dame isn't as good a player as CP3 but he's been traded against his will. (Don't get me wrong - Dame is great, but CP3 is an all-timer.)

If you want change, you've got to start at the top. The first person to go has to be Olshey.
 
MadeFromDust said:
That's because they had a healthy squad. Most people picked us to win this series.
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Most people are idiots. Clearly most people weren't looking at the records or the advanced stats, that easily favored the Nuggets.

I wanted to be wrong, but I looked at both those and picked Nuggets in 6 before the series started. And I'm not exactly a genius - it was just obvious.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
But here's the thing. Everyone bitching about this team thinks all our players are losers except Dame. Yet somehow they also believe we can trade them for stars and build a winner round Dame. Cognitive dissonance. Dame ain't no spring chicken, either.

And hey: Dame isn't as good a player as CP3 but he's been traded against his will. (Don't get me wrong - Dame is great, but CP3 is an all-timer.)

If you want change, you've got to start at the top. The first person to go has to be Olshey.
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Nobody is saying you don't cut Olshey. But we've passed on Paul George, Jimmy Butler, James Harden and various others over and over to hold on the CJ. Thing is, there was clearly trades that were available if they were pursued. Just look at what the reports were at the time, then look at what those guys ended up getting traded for.

This offseason, I don't see that guy available at the moment, but you never know. I don't even think you need to replace him with someone better. Just change the makeup/framework of the team and see what happens.
 
It is funny, though. Everyone thought all the first round series in the West would be upsets - except maybe Clippers-Mavs. Now that's looking like the only upset. The team we tried so hard to avoid...
 
B-Roy said:
we've passed on Paul George, Jimmy Butler, James Harden and various others over and over to hold on the CJ.
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1. I'm sick of hearing things like this quoted as gospel. Give me cast iron proof of ANY of those and I'll tell you...
2. ...that Olshey is the one and only cause of all of our problems.

But I bet you if we were offered ANY of those players, the team asked for Dame.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
1. I'm sick of hearing things like this quoted as gospel. Give me cast iron proof of ANY of those and I'll tell you...
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I'm not going to argue this point. Of course there's no explicit proof because those deals never happened and no one is going to say otherwise. Just read the tea leaves and look at the trades that actually happened. If you don't agree fine, I disagree with you.
 
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