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How soon will you get a Covid-19 vaccine once it's (they) are available?

  • As soon as possible.

    Votes: 5 20.8%

  • Not until enough other "guinea pigs" have had it and shown it's safe.

    Votes: 11 45.8%

  • At least not until the Biden Administration takes over and the Trumpies are gone.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • NEVER! VACCINES! NEEDLES! OMG!!

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • When my doctor says it's safe for me.

    Votes: 8 33.3%
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So, what are you thinking about the vaccine?
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I added a response to the poll.

I have a very good doctor and I trust him. I will wait until he says it's safe and appropriate for me.
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That will play a part too
 
I have a feeling the mRNA vaccines will end up causing cancer. Haven't looked into it much, but the gut feeling is that the real effects will take years to surface (which is why drug development takes years instead of "fast tracked" in 9 months).

This isn't simply a weakened virus. It changes your cells and how they work I believe.

I do a semi regular zoom call with friends and none of the docs that were on the call have any intention of taking the vaccine for a long time, and they deal with COVID patients (GP and Cardiologist).
 
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As soon as possible, but I assume that I will be eligible for it down the road. It will not be available before the Biden administration - and I trust that administration to prioritize it properly - which means that first responders, people at higher risk categories etc... will get it well before I do - so my guess is that as soon as possible for me will be well down the line - and in the unlikely event of undetected side-effects from the trials - it will already be known and found.
 
what could be wild is if we have 2, 3, or 4 competing vaccines. I doubt you could triple up
 
Still waiting for Pfizer's "90%" claim to be verified by others.
...like I mentioned earlier it would be great if it is in fact 90% effective but to me it seems a bit optimistic considering that flu shots are considered good if they are 50-60% effective...just saying.
 
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EL PRESIDENTE said:
I have a feeling the mRNA vaccines will end up causing cancer. Haven't looked into it much, but the gut feeling is that the real effects will take years to surface (which is why drug development takes years instead of "fast tracked" in 9 months).

This isn't simply a weakened virus. It changes your cells and how they work I believe.

I do a semi regular zoom call with friends and none of the docs that were on the call have any intention of taking the vaccine for a long time, and they deal with COVID patients (GP and Cardiologist).
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It doesn't change your cells, but it does cause them to produce a protein that then stimulates the immune system to produce antibodies against the virus. The virus itself invades your cells and forces them to create replicas of the virus.

"To produce an mRNA vaccine, scientists produce a synthetic version of the mRNA that a virus uses to build its infectious proteins. This mRNA is delivered into the human body, whose cells read it as instructions to build that viral protein, and therefore create some of the virus’s molecules themselves. These proteins are solitary, so they do not assemble to form a virus. The immune system then detects these viral proteins and starts to produce a defensive response to them."

https://horizon-magazine.eu/article/five-things-you-need-know-about-mrna-vaccines.html
 
wizenheimer said:
what could be wild is if we have 2, 3, or 4 competing vaccines. I doubt you could triple up
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That's another consideration...I mean, how do we know that there won't be adverse reactions by taking different vaccines?
 
yankeesince59 said:
Still waiting for Pfizer's "90%" claim to be verified by otherspfizer stock
...like I mentioned earlier it would be great if it is in fact 90% effective but to me it seems a bit optimistic considering that flu shots are considered good if they are 50-60% effective...just saying.
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I might be able to help clarify the pfizer results for those who don't understand, since i work in the industry.

44000 people were selected (volunteers).

about half were given the placebo. the others were given the vaccine.

94 people in the entire study tested positive.

~85 of those people who tested positive were from the placebo group. ~9 were from the vaccine group.

The trial will be over when the number of people testing positive reaches 162, so about 68 more people. This is enough for them to claim statistical significance that the vaccine is effective (or not). So if a bunch of people from the vaccine cohort test positive, it reduces the effectiveness. I think the current threshold for approval from the FDA is about 50%.

The reasons to trust it:
- As part of a double blind, no one knows who is part of each group (vaccine vs placebo); only an independent third party. Even the people who volunteered don't know what cohort they are part of.
- The timeline for release of these results is entirely dependent on when people start testing positive. So there's not political motivators or incentives.
- ANY adverse effects have to be revealed (again, by the independent third party). And the safety part of these clinical trials have already been conducted. This massive phase 3 sample size also helps inform that.
 
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I have a gut feeling that using your gut feelings to decide whether to take a vaccine will cause your testicles to fall off. So I'm not going to do that.

barfo
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
I have a feeling the mRNA vaccines will end up causing cancer. Haven't looked into it much, but the gut feeling is that the real effects will take years to surface (which is why drug development takes years instead of "fast tracked" in 9 months).

This isn't simply a weakened virus. It changes your cells and how they work I believe.

I do a semi regular zoom call with friends and none of the docs that were on the call have any intention of taking the vaccine for a long time, and they deal with COVID patients (GP and Cardiologist).
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Any of the guys on your Zoom call the mayor of Nashville? #BAM
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
YOU AIN'T DOWN UNTIL U BUY SOME OF THIS TO ROCK AROUND TOWN. I MEAN IF YOU'RE GOING TO SUCK UP TO BLACK PEOPLE, MAY AS WELL LOOK FLY AS FUCK DOING SO
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ARE BLACK PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF THE VACCINE?

BARFO
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
I have a feeling the mRNA vaccines will end up causing cancer. Haven't looked into it much, but the gut feeling is that the real effects will take years to surface (which is why drug development takes years instead of "fast tracked" in 9 months).

This isn't simply a weakened virus. It changes your cells and how they work I believe.

I do a semi regular zoom call with friends and none of the docs that were on the call have any intention of taking the vaccine for a long time, and they deal with COVID patients (GP and Cardiologist).
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smh.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I added a response to the poll.

I have a very good doctor and I trust him. I will wait until he says it's safe and appropriate for me.
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While I certainly don't disagree with you adding this option, it does surprise me. While I do discuss vaccinations with my doctor at my annual physical, in the middle of this pandemic it wouldn't have occurred to me to consult him about whether I should get vaccinated ASAP. The risk to my 68 year-old body of actually getting the virus far outweighs whatever miniscule chance there is that an FDA-approved vaccine might have some side effects.
 
First it needs to be shown safe and effective.
Priority is health care workers and high risk people. I am neither so if need be I can wait my turn. It's better for me to not go to dinner so a nurse or postal worker or grocery clerk can be protected.
 
I'm perfectly willing to be one of the guinea pigs. If there's a vaccine made available, I'm happy to be one of the first in line, but also happy to wait my turn if others want it.
 
crandc said:
First it needs to be shown safe and effective.
Priority is health care workers and high risk people. I am neither so if need be I can wait my turn. It's better for me to not go to dinner so a nurse or postal worker or grocery clerk can be protected.
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While those are good points, they aren't really what I'm asking. The vaccines aren't going to be made available unless the science demonstrates to the FDA that they are safe and effective. I'm also not asking whether you want to jump the line. The question is, once an FDA approved vaccine(s) become available, and you fit in the cohort that is now eligible to receive a vaccination, how soon will you be going to get it?
 
e_blazer said:
While those are good points, they aren't really what I'm asking. The vaccines aren't going to be made available unless the science demonstrates to the FDA that they are safe and effective. I'm also not asking whether you want to jump the line. The question is, once an FDA approved vaccine(s) become available, and you fit in the cohort that is now eligible to receive a vaccination, how soon will you be going to get it?
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Just because something is FDA approved doesn't mean its going to be safe. I mean watch the informercials on daytime TV about all the lawsuits about the drugs that were previously deemed FDA safe and are recalled or causing people to get all fucked up.

I wouldn't be upset that I'm way down the list to get this vaccine.

Also, this is something one will need to take regularly I believe, like a flu shot.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Just because something is FDA approved doesn't mean its going to be safe. I mean watch the informercials on daytime TV about all the lawsuits about the drugs that were previously deemed FDA safe and are recalled or causing people to get all fucked up.
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FDA approval means that the vaccine data doesn't show signs of significant dangerous side effects. Sure, something could crop up later as has happened with other drugs. I would say that there's a significant difference between a vaccine, which is an injection done once or twice to stimulate an immune response, and a drug that is taken repeatedly to treat a medical condition. While all kinds of claims are made against the safety of vaccines, most have been proven to be wrong when studied by researchers.

Also, this is something one will need to take regularly I believe, like a flu shot.
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Likely that will be the case, but the length that a immune response will last is unknown at this time.
 
e_blazer said:
FDA approval means that the vaccine data doesn't show signs of significant dangerous side effects. Sure, something could crop up later as has happened with other drugs. I would say that there's a significant difference between a vaccine, which is an injection done once or twice to stimulate an immune response, and a drug that is taken repeatedly to treat a medical condition. While all kinds of claims are made against the safety of vaccines, most have been proven to be wrong when studied by researchers.
Likely that will be the case, but the length that a immune response will last is unknown at this time.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this the first widespread use of an mRNA vaccine? And it was developed on a fast track in a matter of months?

This isn't like other vaccines, it has a whole different mechanism. One that has never been administered on a wide-spread basis.

But stab away!
 
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