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In this thread, I want to collect all evidence against the Memphis Grizzlies which proves that they are signing Miles in bad faith to cripple Portland's cap room situation this summer. I'll put this on a blog eventually maybe...send it around Blazers nation or whatever and beyond.

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June 18, 2007 Chris Wallace becomes General Manager and VP of the NBA Team The Grizzlies.
Before joining the Grizzlies Wallace spent 10 seasons as General Manager for the Boston Celtics and was responsible for all basket ball related decisions, including free agent signings, trades and draft preparations.
He has worked in the NBS since 1986
http://www.nba.com/grizzlies/news/wallace_named_vp_gm-070618.html

Wallace talks about the deals made for Eric Williams, Aaron Williams, Alonzo Mourning, Kwame Brown, Javaris Crittendon, Pau Gasols, Aron McKie. Also talks about who might be on the roster for the next season.
Jan 17,2008
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&id=3226776

Griz Gm sees “big bang” in future
July 11, 2008
Wallace discusses his plans for the team in the future and how he expects to move forward. Q & A interview with Ronald Tillery 529-2353
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/jul/11/griz-gm-sees-big-bang-in-future/

Posts from fans on Pau Gasol trade. http://ballhype.com/story/pau_gasol_trade_chris_wallace_grizzlies_gm/

Wikipedia profile on Chris Wallace http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Wallace_(NBA_General_Manager)

List of NBA transactions
Season 2007 – 08 and 2008 – 09 See table below http://hoopshype.com/general_managers/chris_wallace.htm

Article about the hiring of Chris Wallace to replace Jerry West
June 18, 2007 http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/grizzlies/2007-06-18-wallace-hired_N.htm

TRANSACTIONS:

SEASON 2008-09

January 10 2009 Signed forward Darius Miles to a 10-day contract.

January 7 2009 Traded a conditional second-round pick in 2012 to the Miami Heat for guard Shaun Livingston and cash; waived guard Shaun Livingston.

January 6 2009 Waived forward Darius Miles.

December 24 2008 Traded a conditional 2011 second-round pick to the Houston Rockets for guard Steve Francis, a 2009 second-round pick and cash.

December 18 2008 Waived forward Antoine Walker.

December 13 2008 Signed forward Darius Miles.

December 10 2008 Traded guard Javaris Crittenton to the Washington Wizards and a conditional second-round pick to the New Orleans Hornets for a conditional first-round pick.

October 31 2008 Exercised the contract options on guards Kyle Lowry, Mike Conley and Javaris Crittenton and on forward Rudy Gay through 2009-10.

October 20 2008
Waived forward Brent Petway.

October 11 2008 Waived forward Malick Badiane.

September 30 2008 Signed forward Malick Badiane.

September 29 2008 Signed forward Brent Petway.

September 26 2008 Signed guard Quinton Ross.

August 28 2008 Signed center Hamed Haddadi.

August 8 2008 Signed forward Josh Smith to an offer sheet.

July 9 2008
Signed center Marc Gasol.

July 8 2008 Signed guard OJ Mayo and forward Darrell Arthur.

June 30 2008 Tendered a qualifying offer to guard Juan Carlos
Navarro.

Draft 2008 Selected forwards Kevin Love (5th overall pick) and Donte Greene (28th overall pick).
Traded forwards Mike Miller and Brian Cardinal, center Jason Collins and the draft rights to center Kevin Love to the Minnesota Timberwolves for guards Marko Jaric and Greg Buckner, forward Antoine Walker and the draft rights to guard OJ Mayo; Acquired the draft rights to forward Darrell Arthur and traded the draft rights to forward Donte Greene a second-round pick in 2009 to the Houston Rockets.

June 17 2008 Named Kevin O'Neill assistant coach.

May 9 2008 Waived guard Aaron McKie.


SEASON 2007-08

February 23 2008 Waived forward Marcus Vinicius.

February 21 2008
Traded the draft rights to forward Sergei Lishouk to the Houston Rockets for forward Marcus Vinicius and the draft rights to forward Malick Badiane.

February 4 2008 Traded forward Stromile Swift to the New Jersey Nets for center Jason Collins.

February 1 2008 Traded forward Pau Gasol to the Los Angeles Lakers for guards Aaron McKie and Javaris Crittenton, forward Kwame Brown, the draft rights to center Marc Gasol, first-round picks in 2008 and 2010 and cash to the Memphis Grizzlies for forward Pau Gasol.

January 28 2008 Waived guard Damon Stoudamire.

January 20 2008
Signed forward Bobby Jones to a second 10-day contract.
January 10 2008 Signed forward Bobby Jones to a 10-day contract.

January 7 2008 Waived forward Jeremy Richardson.

December 20 2007 Signed forward Jeremy Richardson.

December 18 2007
Waived guard Tarence Kinsey.
October 25 2007 Exercised the contract options on guard Kyle Lowry and forwards Rudy Gay and Hakim Warrick; waived guard Dontell Jefferson.

October 1 2007 Waived forward Kasib Powell.

September 28 2007 Signed guard Dontell Jefferson and forward Kasib Powell; named Kenny Williamson assistant general manager; named Mark Price shooting coach.

August 16 2007 Traded a future first-round pick to the Washington Wizards for the draft rights to guard Juan Carlos Navarro.

July 30 2007 Signed guard Mike Conley.

July 24 2007 Signed guard Casey Jacobsen.

July 20 2007 Signed forward Andre Brown.

July 13 2007 Signed forward Darko Milicic and waived forward Alexander Johnson.

July 12 2007 Named Ron DuBois assistant coach.

July 2 2007 Named Andy Greer assistant coach.

June 18 2007 Chris Wallace named GM of Memphis Grizzlies
 
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There's actually no evidence (yet) just speculation
 
well, pull together our resources. I am having someone do their research on Wallace, his transactions, etc.
Please put requests for her research here. thanks!

If this goes further with Memphis, I'll compile this as a PDF/booklet...maybe someone can hand them out at the RG! hah.
 
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April 14, 2008: Blazers request waivers on Miles.

August 22, 2008, the Celtics signed Miles to a non-guaranteed contract,[6] and expected him to fight for a roster spot at training camp. He worked out twice with the team and impressed with his health and attitude,[7] but was waived on October 20, 2008.

December 13, 2008, Miles signed with the Memphis Grizzlies. However, he sat out his first ten games of the regular season for violating the league's substance abuse policy.

January 4, 2009, Miles made his season debut with the Grizzlies, playing the last 1:46 in a 102-82 win against the Dallas Mavericks.

January 7, 2009 after only collecting 2 rebounds and 2 blocks in 9 minutes over two games, Miles was waived by the Grizzlies.

January 9th, 2009: Miles resigned by Memphis Grizzlies.
 
Well, I'll start with the opposite I suppose. Not that they have a good use for him, but I have already seen some people say, well, why cut him. Please. You're smarter than that. You cut him to make sure he is non-guaranteed. No worries there. Give him 2 10-days, see how he does, and go from there. Then go the rest of the season. Happens ALL the time.

That being said, I'm already hoping we sue the shit out of them somehow and win. I hope we have some secret email knowing they were being underhanded about it. I hope we already showed it to Stern, too. Better yet, I hope we go all 1960's USA on them, and pull the Cuban Missile Crisis evidence shit on them. AHA! We have correspondence explicitly showing all you wanted to do was make a mockery of our team, the system, the league, te CBA, and poor, poor Darius, who is only trying to feed his family. I dunno why. I almost want to relish people not liking us. Other fans, etc. Fuck 'em. Nobody cares anyways, in the end. I don't want to be everyone's "darling", hey, yay for them team. I want us to pull of a big trade with RLEC, and go on to fuck the league, and team's in their collective asses for the next 10 years. I want to make them bleed like it's their first time. Extreme? Fuck 'em. All's fair in love and basketball? Good. Maybe not today. Maybe not tomorrow. But soon. And for the rest of their lives!! Nobody likes a winner. Well good. Hate us. And Fuck You. Our owner is richer than you. Our GM is smarter than you. Our better is better than you. Fuck you. Game. Blouses. I'm done. I'm going to go down to Larry Miller tomorrow and shake his hand, and say as a season ticket holder, I love, LOVE what he has done, am behind him 100%, and support him fully. Hopefully he is at the game. Usually is. A lot of times down shaking hands with people outside his entrance, so will hopefully get to see him and say good job. Fuck the NBA. BRING IT ON. PDX just threw it down, and I dunno why, but I'm giddy over it. You think a player is going to seriously consider that when signing here? No. He'll think about 2 things. Money and titles. Al Davis is a piece of shit. How many people don't sign there. Nobody likes Steinbrenner. Doesn't seem to hurt him. Fuck this shit. Everything's coming up Portland Bitches!!
 
I feel like this is going to be hard to prove either way. The Grizzlies only saw 9 minutes of him- not exactly the amount you'd want a guaranteed contract for. The release/re-sign makes sense from that perspective. At the same time, if they really are doing it to hurt the Blazers, it would make sense. I guess it just depends on how he plays with them and how many games he sees action in. If he plays 20-25 games at 6-10 mpg, I don't think our argument holds any water.
 
RR7 said:
Well, I'll start with the opposite I suppose. Not that they have a good use for him, but I have already seen some people say, well, why cut him. Please. You're smarter than that. You cut him to make sure he is non-guaranteed. No worries there. Give him 2 10-days, see how he does, and go from there. Then go the rest of the season. Happens ALL the time.

That being said, I'm already hoping we sue the shit out of them somehow and win. I hope we have some secret email knowing they were being underhanded about it. I hope we already showed it to Stern, too. Better yet, I hope we go all 1960's USA on them, and pull the Cuban Missile Crisis evidence shit on them. AHA! We have correspondence explicitly showing all you wanted to do was make a mockery of our team, the system, the league, te CBA, and poor, poor Darius, who is only trying to feed his family. I dunno why. I almost want to relish people not liking us. Other fans, etc. Fuck 'em. Nobody cares anyways, in the end. I don't want to be everyone's "darling", hey, yay for them team. I want us to pull of a big trade with RLEC, and go on to fuck the league, and team's in their collective asses for the next 10 years. I want to make them bleed like it's their first time. Extreme? Fuck 'em. All's fair in love and basketball? Good. Maybe not today. Maybe not tomorrow. But soon. And for the rest of their lives!! Nobody likes a winner. Well good. Hate us. And Fuck You. Our owner is richer than you. Our GM is smarter than you. Our better is better than you. Fuck you. Game. Blouses. I'm done. I'm going to go down to Larry Miller tomorrow and shake his hand, and say as a season ticket holder, I love, LOVE what he has done, am behind him 100%, and support him fully. Hopefully he is at the game. Usually is. A lot of times down shaking hands with people outside his entrance, so will hopefully get to see him and say good job. Fuck the NBA. BRING IT ON. PDX just threw it down, and I dunno why, but I'm giddy over it. You think a player is going to seriously consider that when signing here? No. He'll think about 2 things. Money and titles. Al Davis is a piece of shit. How many people don't sign there. Nobody likes Steinbrenner. Doesn't seem to hurt him. Fuck this shit. Everything's coming up Portland Bitches!!
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I found it very weird when Memphis signed Miles a day after Darius worked out for the Clippers.

Maybe KP rejected a trade from Memphis and Chris Wallace has some sort of grudge?

Either way, the bridge between Memphis and Portland is now burned.
 
LameR said:
I feel like this is going to be hard to prove either way. The Grizzlies only saw 9 minutes of him- not exactly the amount you'd want a guaranteed contract for. The release/re-sign makes sense from that perspective. At the same time, if they really are doing it to hurt the Blazers, it would make sense. I guess it just depends on how he plays with them and how many games he sees action in. If he plays 20-25 games at 6-10 mpg, I don't think our argument holds any water.
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doesn't hurt to do some due dillegence in case the grizz do cut him after 2 games.
 
maybe nothing...but once we do reach that game #10 and it looks like Memphis is just screwing with Portland, the flood gates will open. Hopefully we can collect enough to put up a nice blog post somewhere...article submission, etc.
 
First Memphis gives Gasol to LA for a box of CrackerJacks. Then, they screw Portland out of cap room. It's quite obvious that Memphis is acting in accordance with the Lakers.
 
I've always maintained Portland was stupid to extend Miles, dumber to waive him, that of course he can still play and they were idiots to think he wouldn't, and they should nut up and honor his contract.

I hate parasites like Paul "Bankruptcy" Allen who use technicalities to avoid honoring their word.

Gives Portland a bad rep.
 
Fez said:
I found it very weird when Memphis signed Miles a day after Darius worked out for the Clippers.

Maybe KP rejected a trade from Memphis and Chris Wallace has some sort of grudge?

Either way, the bridge between Memphis and Portland is now burned.
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I knew they wanted Travis badly in the summer, and we wouldn't give him to them. It was like Travis and our first-rounder for Mike Miller.

Chris Wallace also has a tie to Boston, in that he was a former GM. Don't know what the link is to Miles in Boston though, but it's something.
 
Nikolokolus said:
There's actually no evidence (yet) just speculation
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True. It will depend on what happens after the 10-day contracts expire. If Memphis wants to play him, it's their decision.

I will say that there is no way Miles is in Memphis next year on a guaranteed contract. I'll take bets on that right now.
 
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LameR said:
I feel like this is going to be hard to prove either way. The Grizzlies only saw 9 minutes of him- not exactly the amount you'd want a guaranteed contract for. The release/re-sign makes sense from that perspective. At the same time, if they really are doing it to hurt the Blazers, it would make sense. I guess it just depends on how he plays with them and how many games he sees action in. If he plays 20-25 games at 6-10 mpg, I don't think our argument holds any water.
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They had him for a month of practice and deemed him worthy of garbage time after his suspension.

This was a calculated move by Memphis. I can't wait for the lawsuit, and KP is "dejected" because he isn't involved in the business aspect of the team and knows that this may affect his ability to improve the roster.
 
RR7 said:
That being said, I'm already hoping we sue the shit out of them somehow and win. I hope we have some secret email knowing they were being underhanded about it. I hope we already showed it to Stern, too. Better yet, I hope we go all 1960's USA on them, and pull the Cuban Missile Crisis evidence shit on them. AHA! We have correspondence explicitly showing all you wanted to do was make a mockery of our team, the system, the league, te CBA, and poor, poor Darius, who is only trying to feed his family...

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I hope the same thing, but after watching and listening to Pritchard today, I really don't think we have an ace up our sleeve. But it'll sure be fun suing those bitches! Really, fuck Jerry West, and fuck Memphis. I wish only misery, failure and heartache on their franchise from here to eternity. But I'm not bitter or anything.
 
Maris, you usually make good points. Sometimes extreme, but I often agree. Here, though, you fail. Why should Portland honor its contract when Miles neglected to do the same? Here's a guy who could have owned the city. Everyone loved him after his first half-season here. Yet, he was often aloof off the floor, lazy on it, and bitched and moaned here, there, and everywhere after he collected his contract. If he couldn't "dance" for a contract he never deserved, why should Portland management honor it?

Paul Allen may give Portland a bad name. But guys like Wallace, Wells, Rider, and Miles give it a far worse name.
 
MARIS61 said:
I've always maintained Portland was stupid to extend Miles, dumber to waive him, that of course he can still play and they were idiots to think he wouldn't, and they should nut up and honor his contract.

I hate parasites like Paul "Bankruptcy" Allen who use technicalities to avoid honoring their word.

Gives Portland a bad rep.
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Miles gets paid his 18 million regardless.
 
noknobs said:
I hope the same thing, but after watching and listening to Pritchard today, I really don't think we have an ace up our sleeve. But it'll sure be fun suing those bitches! Really, fuck Jerry West, and fuck Memphis. I wish only misery, ache and heartfailure on their franchise from here to eternity. But I'm not bitter or anything.
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Can somebody explain to me why everybody is so angry? What exactly did the Grizzlies do wrong? The whole point of the medical retirement was because they thought Darius Miles couldn't play anymore. He obviously can. How can you disprove that? Blazers are one of my favorite teams, and I don't like the Grizzlies (who does?) but this is ridiculous. The man can play. That's it.
 
adisodes said:
Can somebody explain to me why everybody is so angry? What exactly did the Grizzlies do wrong? The whole point of the medical retirement was because they thought Darius Miles couldn't play anymore. He obviously can. How can you disprove that? Blazers are one of my favorite teams, and I don't like the Grizzlies (who does?) but this is ridiculous. The man can play. That's it.
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Actually I don't think most of the hate is directed toward Miles at all, but rather there is a perception that Wallace is only using Miles as a pawn to fuck the Blazers.

If Miles really can play and be productive then more power to him I say. Likewise, if the Grizz really are signing him in good faith and keep him around for the rest of the season then I've got no beef with that either.

I guess we'll find out in ten days what the real story is.
 
adisodes said:
Can somebody explain to me why everybody is so angry? What exactly did the Grizzlies do wrong? The whole point of the medical retirement was because they thought Darius Miles couldn't play anymore. He obviously can. How can you disprove that? Blazers are one of my favorite teams, and I don't like the Grizzlies (who does?) but this is ridiculous. The man can play. That's it.
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The rule was created because of the Knicks and Allen Houston. The Blazers would have never waived Miles IMO had the league and the players' union not signed off on it.

It is a very unique situation, and in this economy, $9 million means that jobs are lost in the organization.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Actually I don't think most of the hate is directed toward Miles at all, but rather there is a perception that Wallace is only using Miles as a pawn to fuck the Blazers.

If Miles really can play and be productive then more power to him I say. Likewise, if the Grizz really are signing him in good faith and keep him around for the rest of the season then I've got no beef with that either.

I guess we'll find out in ten days what the real story is.
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I understand that but I feel like everybody would be up in arms even if it were another team that decided to sign Miles. The doctors were wrong in saying that Miles couldn't play, so regardless of whether or not he is back for just a couple of ten day contracts garnering five minutes per game...as long as he is running up and down the court and playing basketball there is no way the Blazers can get out of it...even if they threaten the rest of the league. Poor move on the organization's part I feel. If I owned the Nets and I woke up this morning and saw that in my mailbox, first thing I'd do is waive Mo Ager and sign Darius Miles for two games. That's just uncalled for, what the Blazers did this morning.
 
adisodes said:
I understand that but I feel like everybody would be up in arms even if it were another team that decided to sign Miles. The doctors were wrong in saying that Miles couldn't play, so regardless of whether or not he is back for just a couple of ten day contracts garnering five minutes per game...as long as he is running up and down the court and playing basketball there is no way the Blazers can get out of it...even if they threaten the rest of the league. Poor move on the organization's part I feel. If I owned the Nets and I woke up this morning and saw that in my mailbox, first thing I'd do is waive Mo Ager and sign Darius Miles for two games. That's just uncalled for, what the Blazers did this morning.
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That's an understandable reaction ... and I don't defend what the Blazers management decided to do; I thought it was definitely in poor form and clumsily executed.
 
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