OT The Government Has No Plan for Reuniting the Immigrant Families It Is Tearing Apart

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The planet is overcrowded. Entirely.

Ask California what happens when Lake Mead drops below the level of the last intake they have access to. We're building one for us below that level.

Won't help, you don't stand a chance when California invades.

barfo
 
Won't help, you don't stand a chance when California invades.

barfo

The Californians have damn near all left Oxnard already. It full of Mexicans and Salvadorian, close to twice the number listed in the current total census for the town.
 
See! This is what is wrong with any discussion on immigration. Your post is dripping with emotion. We are a Nation of Immigrants! Chain migration is how we all got here!
On and on no end, even though we are one largest Nations in the world now population wise. Taking in people faster than the counters can count. On track to becoming the largest population
simply because people refuse to be logical, would rather run on emotion and feel virtuous.

I assume your dad did come legally. So did mine, but dammit, we were a Nation of half the size then and you guys are still supporting more, fuck it if they do not follow the rules. Let them all come!!!

Geez that is dumb. Check out what it has done to schools over run with immigrants living in densities of 5 times the normal with no additional tax revenue base. Check out you own states funding
and where the state kicks in the most money per student because they have no where near the normal local tax base per student. But fuck it! Bring more! Let them in, we are a Nation of Immigrants! Don't prosecute the shortcut takers, be charitable, fuck the guys standing in line.

If every person in the world that wants to come and we only let in the saintly, we would be over run. Some places are right now.

I attended one of those political get together with Senator Wyden and some other Rep I cannot remember, about two years back. I asked Wyden how many people should we have in this Nation?
Like all Democrats, never an answer. He just threw it back on me. How many do you think we should have? I said stop now, you can add a few more when there are fish in the rivers again.

Later after that, I brought the MarAzul up the Columbia, with it in mind, I would stop and go fishing where the fisherman were catching fish (Spring run Salmon). I got to Portland first and the River was then shut down to allow escapement numbers over Bonneville. I did keep track of the fish I saw caught coming up the river. Fisherman zero, Sea Lions 15.

This year I intend to see how the fall run on the Columbia goes. Mid August use to be spectacular on the Columbia bar. We shall see.
 
Well. Seems Sting has weighed in. I'm sure he'll live amongst the refugees he wants and won't live in a compound of some sort.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment...-cowards-over-migration-crisis-134827897.html
When I was a kid, our church took in a Hungarian refugee family. We had two prized dinning room tables and I remember giving one to them. It was a good feeling and worth more in satisfaction than retaining the table and chairs.

Edit: Which reminds me, giving is more satisfying when it hurts than when it is easily affordable.
 
When I was a kid, our church took in a Hungarian refugee family. We had two prized dinning room tables and I remember giving one to them. It was a good feeling and worth more in satisfaction than retaining the table and chairs.
Let's see what Sting does and puts his millions where his mouth is.
 
Let's see what Sting does and puts his millions where his mouth is.
Rich give a lot of money and expect a lot of thanks for it. I guess they'll get the thanks so they'll feel encouraged to give again, but it doesn't mean much unless it hurts. That's when you know you've given enough.
 
It' s true our legal immigration system is unreasonably slow. I'm not sure of the reason for that but someone who has power should speed it up.

barfo

When you say shit like this with your Avatar Pirate hat, it gives me a chuckle.
The last Pirate I saw, Was bellicose maximum after looking in the ransom Sack. We had given him a fancy new pursers leather bag, stuffed with paper and $10 bucks on top.
The fool bellowed out, The Kaffir is worth more!

Some say, his loud mouth killed him.
I sort of think it was, dim wit and slow hand.
 
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I believe we're number three in population and number two in land mass. That's off the top of my head.
As a nation we're a few hundred years old...China...15 thousand years old...India...even older....time is catching up with the New World and it is going to age just like the rest of the planet...buckle up.....for those who want to curb the population...stop making babies! For those who want to be charitable...one could adopt a child
 
As a nation we're a few hundred years old...China...15 thousand years old...India...even older....time is catching up with the New World and it is going to age just like the rest of the planet...buckle up.....for those who want to curb the population...stop making babies! For those who want to be charitable...one could adopt a child
We tried to adopt. We even paid Holt a sizeable amount. But alas, my job had me moving around too much. Now, we give to our Church. Use to give to United Way but now it's the Church since we're both retired.
 
We tried to adopt. We even paid Holt a sizeable amount. But alas, my job had me moving around too much. Now, we give to our Church. Use to give to United Way but now it's the Church since we're both retired.
Both my parents were dust bowl orphans as well as my uncles and aunts...reunited once they were 18 and my grandparents could provide for them
 
@MarAzul I just get back from a fun weekend camping and I see you intentionally misspeak about my father again.

No I'm not emotional.

I'm going to state it to you for the last fucking time. My father came to this country legally. You seem to really go out of your way to ignore that. Please stop. It's insulting to a great man that I respect and love dearly.

Also for what I am sure will not be the last time, I AM AGAINST ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. I have stated that many times also. I have shared the story of my father coming to this country LEGALLY and serving in the US military as an example of a person immigrating in this country the correct way. It would make no sense for me to share his story if he had come to this country illegally.
 
My father came to this country legally. You seem to really go out of your way to ignore that.

>>> No, I did not ignore that. I you have clarified.

Please stop. It's insulting to a great man that I respect and love dearly.

>>>I have no need to insult the great man, nor did I intend to do so. Not long ago, I told you I would like to meet him.

I have shared the story of my father coming to this country LEGALLY and serving in the US military as an example of a person immigrating in this country the correct way.
>>> Yes you have, several times as I recall but I did not know the details. Thus my post about Hank Drews, a man I worked with where his journey here seems very much like your fathers.

Damn!
When I was a consultant working out of Palo Alto Square in Palo Alto, I worked with a guy that had immigrated from Venezuela several years before. His family including him as a boy emigrated from Hungary about 1956. He was a computer performance analyst, really swift with mathematics. I enjoyed talking with him, occasional we even teamed up for work.

I see you intentionally misspeak about my father again.

No I'm not emotional.

If you truly think, I am intentionaly being disrespectful of your Father or You. Then Bann me! Deleting my Posts are inadequate.
Yes you emotional attack me, Especially about your father, even when I speak of my own immigrant father. Damn if I know why, but I suppose immigration is and emotional issue.
 
@MarAzul I just get back from a fun weekend camping and I see you intentionally misspeak about my father again.

No I'm not emotional.

I'm going to state it to you for the last fucking time. My father came to this country legally. You seem to really go out of your way to ignore that. Please stop. It's insulting to a great man that I respect and love dearly.

Also for what I am sure will not be the last time, I AM AGAINST ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. I have stated that many times also. I have shared the story of my father coming to this country LEGALLY and serving in the US military as an example of a person immigrating in this country the correct way. It would make no sense for me to share his story if he had come to this country illegally.
That's exactly why I've got Marzy on ignore. I think he's got a good heart but he gets all twisted at times. He gets so twisted that I have to put him on Ignore.

Your story about your dad is simply awesome and uplifting. I think he provides inspiration for all of us (or should provide inspiration for all of us if all of us would open our hearts and minds).

Thanks again, Sly, for your depiction of your father. Now, I have to meet him. Let's do dinner on me. Don't forget your sweetheart and mom.
 
A few days ago, Emily Kephart, a program coördinator at an immigrant-rights group called Kids in Need of Defense, set out to try to find a six-year-old Guatemalan girl who had been separated from her father after arriving in the United States, in May. The pair had been split up as a consequence of the Trump Administration’s zero-tolerance policy at the border, which calls for the criminal prosecution of all migrants, including asylum seekers, who cross the border without turning themselves in to officials at so-called ports of entry. Now the father was in an immigration-detention facility in Arizona awaiting deportation. He had no idea where his child was. Kephart was put on the case after the father called his family back in a small town outside of Huehuetenango City, in Guatemala’s western highlands, and then his family, in turn, contacted a local nonprofit that works with Kids in Need of Defense.

Every undocumented immigrant who enters government custody is assigned what’s called an alien number. But the girl’s family didn’t know hers. Armed only with the girl’s name and birth date, Kephart dialed a 1-800 hotline set up by the Office of Refugee Resettlement (O.R.R.), the federal body in charge of handling unaccompanied immigrant children. This hotline, Kephart told me, is difficult to access for parents who are in a detention facility (hold times can last half an hour; it’s impossible to leave a call-back number) or who have been deported (international calls are expensive, and 1-800 numbers don’t often work from abroad).

“We hit a dead end,” Kephart said. “The person I spoke with just made a note in the file of the girl they thought it might be. But we didn’t get confirmation that we were talking about the same child. They were looking at the record of someone whose first name was spelled differently, and whose date of birth was a month off.”

In the past two months, the government has taken some two thousand immigrant children away from their parents. Under the zero-tolerance policy, border crossers are arrested and charged with a crime before being placed in immigration detention. If they came with their children, the children are turned over to O.R.R. and treated as though they travelled to the U.S. alone. No protocols have been put in place for keeping track of parents and children concurrently, for keeping parents and children in contact with each other while they are separated, or for eventually reuniting them. Immigration lawyers, public defenders, and advocates along the border have been trying to fill the void.

Kephart had one other lead. The family in Guatemala had the phone number of a children’s shelter run by O.R.R. where they thought that the girl might be. The number had come from a neighbor who had also been separated from a child in the U.S. When Kephart called that shelter, she was told that the girl wasn’t there but that someone with a similar name and date of birth might be at a facility nearby. Eventually, Kephart tracked down a case manager at the second facility. “I told her, ‘Look, I have this situation. I think you have a girl there,’ ” Kephart told me. ‘“The case manager said, ‘Oh, my God, yes!’ The case manager had a kid whose parents she couldn’t find. She was trying to help, but she’d had nothing to go on.”

Although the zero-tolerance policy was officially announced last month, it has been in effect, in more limited form, since at least last summer. Several months ago, as cases of family separation started surfacing across the country, immigrant-rights groups began calling for the Department of Homeland Security (D.H.S.), which is in charge of immigration enforcement and border security, to create procedures for tracking families after they are split up. At the time, D.H.S. said that it would address the problem, but there is no evidence that it actually did so. Erik Hanshew, a federal public defender in El Paso, told me that the problems begin at the moment of arrest. “Our client gets arrested with his or her child out in the field. Sometimes they go together at the initial processing, sometimes they get separated right then and there for separate processing,” he said. “When we ask the Border Patrol agents at detention hearings a few days after physical arrest about the information they’ve obtained in their investigation, they tell us that the only thing they know is that the person arrested was with a kid. They don’t seem to know gender, age, or name.”

Jennifer Podkul, who is the policy director of Kids in Need of Defense, told me that advocates are trying to piece together information about the whereabouts of children based on the federal charging documents used in the parent’s immigration case. “You can try to figure out where and when the child was apprehended based on that,” she said. “But where the child is being held often has nothing to do with where she and her parent were arrested. The kids get moved around to different facilities.”

The federal departments involved in dealing with separated families have institutional agendas that diverge. Immigration and Customs Enforcement—the agency at the D.H.S. that handles immigrant parents—is designed to deport people as rapidly as it can, while O.R.R.—the office within the Department of Health and Human Services (H.H.S.) that assumes custody of the kids—is designed to release children to sponsor or foster families in the U.S. Lately, O.R.R. has been moving more slowly than usual, which has resulted in parents getting deported before their children’s cases are resolved. There’s next to no coördination between D.H.S. and H.H.S. “ice detainees are not allowed to receive calls, so any calls need to be individually arranged,” Michelle Brané, of the Women’s Refugee Commission, told me. “A phone call is not a fix for separation. It is a call, often with a very young child. A call is a Band-Aid.” A number of lawyers that I’ve spoken with described personally pressuring individual deportation officers to delay a parent’s deportation until she can be reunified with her child or, failing that, until children and parents can be deported at roughly the same time.

Late last week, Kephart heard that the Guatemalan family had at last learned where the young girl was. A month after they’d been separated, though, it still wasn’t clear that the father had been informed in detention of his daughter’s location. “I hope that she’s spoken to her father,” Kephart told me. “But I haven't gotten confirmation yet.” Even if father and daughter have spoken, getting reunited is far from assured. There is no formal process in place to insure that a family that’s been separated at the border gets deported back to their home country together. For now, just knowing the whereabouts of a child is a start. “I have a master’s degree, and I’m fluent in English,” Kephart said. “And it takes me days to figure one of these cases out.”

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news...lies-it-is-tearing-apart?mbid=social_facebook
It's like the Three Stooges took over the White House. People are running around like chickens with their heads cut off. Everybody looks to the next tweet for answers and those answers are incoherent.
Edit: Well, not totally incoherent. We know he thinks of undocumented folks as vermin infesting our country. They're bringing rapists, drug dealers, thieves, murderers. Also, we know he doesn't like Africans because they come from "shit hole countries". He doesn't like Muslims. He doesn't like people who were captured as prisoners of war. He doesn't approve of anyone not from Norway. However, if you are a WASP then you can do whatever you want to women such as grabbing them by the pussy or cheating on your wife so long as you hush up your Piece of A... with some hush money. You should get a medal for not getting VD. In fact, why not buy a Purple Heart? That's one way to get one.
 
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