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Gotta keep beating the drums, or the minions will stop throwing virgi... er... I mean money into his fake volcano...
 
yeah, can't be global warming/climate change, because Hurricanes of this magnitude are always hitting the NY/NJ area.
 
And global warming has what to do with landfall of a hurricane in NYC?

The ones that hit NYC hundreds of years ago were category 3 or category 5 ones. Sandy was a category 1.
 
Yeah, I've got to admit that people wouldn't immediately point the finger at climate change. All it does is make people more set in their view, whatever their view of climate change.

In some ways, the take away shouldn't matter whether you believe manmade climate change is the issue or not. The big differentiator with this storm as opposed to the historic ones was how high the water level got. If I remember right, the sea level has gone up around NYC and regardless of the cause, the issue will have to be dealt with one way or another (we'll soon have a Netherlands/dike feel there?)
 
julius said:
many of those were the remnants of TS or Hurricanes, and really shows it's not a terribly common occurrence for them to hit land in NY/NJ.

the after effects of a hurricane, and making landfall there are not the same.
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Many hurricanes have traveled up the Atlantic coast. That is where they often go.

What was unique or rare about Sandy was the massive High pressure system in the North Atlantic that forced Sandy into the American land mass.

There have been fewer hurricanes than "normal" the past several years.

There have been WAY fewer hurricanes than were predicted by the Global Warming crowd. We were told that the science was "settled" and it was 100% guaranteed that many more (and more powerful) hurricanes would happen.

That has not occurred.

Sandy was not a particularly powerful hurricane. It was rare for being so large. It was rare for not taking the normal track out to sea.

Not sure how that can be precisely blamed on "global warming".
 
julius said:
yeah, can't be global warming/climate change, because Hurricanes of this magnitude are always hitting the NY/NJ area.
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A sample size on ONE, gets you where in statistics?

But, go ahead and beat that drum.
 
mobes23 said:
Yeah, I've got to admit that people wouldn't immediately point the finger at climate change. All it does is make people more set in their view, whatever their view of climate change.

In some ways, the take away shouldn't matter whether you believe manmade climate change is the issue or not. The big differentiator with this storm as opposed to the historic ones was how high the water level got. If I remember right, the sea level has gone up around NYC and regardless of the cause, the issue will have to be dealt with one way or another (we'll soon have a Netherlands/dike feel there?)
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Many of the big hurricanes that affected NYC over the centuries didn't make landfall this far north. And I am pretty sure the city has been flooded just as bad as this previously, just not recently.

Forbes article about the tidal surge:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/weather...adly-storm-surge-brewing-for-ny-nj-coastline/

Interesting article in popular mechanics about sea level around NYC:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/sci...ks-sea-level-is-rising-faster-than-the-worlds
 
Masbee said:
There have been WAY fewer hurricanes than were predicted by the Global Warming crowd. We were told that the science was "settled" and it was 100% guaranteed that many more (and more powerful) hurricanes would happen.
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Link?
 
http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/we...urricanes-formed-than-expected-in-2011-season

Fewer hurricanes formed than expected in 2011 season

The 2011 hurricane season comes to a close today and for the sixth year in a row, no major hurricanes -- category 3 or higher -- made landfall in the United States.

The season had 19 tropical storms, exceeding NOAA’s prediction of 17. However, the number of actual hurricanes fell below forecaster's predictions.

Only seven storms turned into hurricanes, rather than nine that were predicted. Likewise, instead of five major hurricanes expected, only three became major.
 
No one has mentioned it yet, but Mayor Bloomberg is blaming climate change for the storm and he's endorsing Obama because of that issue. Keep your poodles and small children away from Denny because he's probably aiming to kick something.
 
mobes23 said:
No one has mentioned it yet, but Mayor Bloomberg is blaming climate change for the storm and he's endorsing Obama because of that issue. Keep your poodles and small children away from Denny because he's probably aiming to kick something.
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No. I'm not angry in the least. I also don't know he has a degree in a climate science related field.
 
Denny Crane said:
No. I'm not angry in the least. I also don't know he has a degree in a climate science related field.
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Doesn't that make you respect his opinion more, Denny? After all, you reject about 97% of the people who do have degrees in climate science.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Doesn't that make you respect his opinion more, Denny? After all, you reject about 97% of the people who do have degrees in climate science.

barfo
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Science isn't a vote, barfo.

Otherwise they could vote the earth is flat and you'd fall off.
 
Denny Crane said:
Science isn't a vote, barfo.

Otherwise they could vote the earth is flat and you'd fall off.
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Then why did you object that Bloomberg doesn't have a degree, eh?
He's exactly as qualified as you to blather on about climate change.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Then why did you object that Bloomberg doesn't have a degree, eh?
He's exactly as qualified as you to blather on about climate change.

barfo
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He and the chicken little crowd need to convince me I should live in a cave and read at night by candlelight so we can "reduce" carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. I not only have every right to be skeptical, I SHOULD be.
 
Denny Crane said:
How about two links?

http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com/2011/01/hurricane-damage-risk-and-predictions.html
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These guys are risk management consultants, not climatologists. Also, I see no reference to "the science is settled" or a "100% guaranteed that many more (and more powerful) hurricanes would happen".
Denny Crane said:
http://johnosullivan.wordpress.com/...ury-sensation-nobel-committee-affirm-he-lied/
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Red herring. Has nothing to do with what Masbee asserted.
 
Denny Crane said:
He and the chicken little crowd need to convince me I should live in a cave and read at night by candlelight so we can "reduce" carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. I not only have every right to be skeptical, I SHOULD be.
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you should do whatever you want, believe or disbelieve in whatever floats your boat. it's a free, if slightly insane, country.
as should bloomberg... whether or not he has a degree.

barfo
 
bluefrog said:
These guys are risk management consultants, not climatologists. Also, I see no reference to "the science is settled" or a "100% guaranteed that many more (and more powerful) hurricanes would happen".

Red herring. Has nothing to do with what Masbee asserted.
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So you were asking for a link to the science is settled bit? That's trivial. And Roger Pielke Jr (and his father) are not risk management consultants.

I am a professor of environmental studies at the Center for Science and Technology Policy Research at the University of Colorado at Boulder. I also have appointments as a Research Fellow, Risk Frontiers, Macquarie University; Visiting Senior Fellow, Mackinder Programme, London School of Economics; and Senior Visiting Fellow at the Consortium for Science, Policy and Outcomes of Arizona State University. I am also a Senior Fellow of The Breakthrough Institute, a progressive think tank.

The red herring not to your taste?
 
barfo said:
you should do whatever you want, believe or disbelieve in whatever floats your boat. it's a free, if slightly insane, country.
as should bloomberg... whether or not he has a degree.

barfo
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Yes, but he's elected to serve me. He's not elected to be my master and have me serve him. You may prefer the alternative. Thank god it still is a free country.
 
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