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I don't want Frank to remain the coach, but I really don't see Thorn firing him anytime soon. It's going to take a lot worse than a bad season while trading away your franchise player to make Frank culpable in his eyes
 
i doubt Thorn will fire him. I'm not a Frank hater but i feel he did a bad job this year. I bet Thorn will give him one last year, meaning next year if we keep VC. If they don't make it to the playoffs next year then I can see him being let go. We've dealt one of our stars and are integrating a lot important people into the team and rotation.
 
No more small-ball lineups with this squad. It just doesn't work. I'm sick of seeing it, and I'm sick of this team losing because of it. Also, there's too many good big men on this team right now to play small ball. I've seen too many ties or leads slip away because Frank chooses Boki instead of Diop, Sean, Krstic, or Boone.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Mar 23 2008, 02:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't want Frank to remain the coach, but I really don't see Thorn firing him anytime soon. It's going to take a lot worse than a bad season while trading away your franchise player to make Frank culpable in his eyes</div>
Why? We blew before the trade.
 
How's Byron Scott doing these days?
 
thorn is in love with the guy, sux eddie jordan didn't get fired eariler this year, frank couldn't hold his strap
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Mar 23 2008, 08:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How's Byron Scott doing these days?</div>
atop the western conference, looking to be a title contender for the next 10 years. he cant complain, he's probably laughing at this team right now, the guy who wanted him out just demanded to be traded and both his team and ours suck
 
and really what excuse does frank have? we have the better roster then the sixers and we still lose to them? he cant win with kidd, without him, this team will be stuck in mediocrity for years, from finalists to lottery bound for the next 3 years, thanks rod thorn
 
here is the link :


http://www.njnetscast.com/blog/2008/03/19/...n-the-hot-seat/




Frank is on the hot seat, from the article :



ESPN’s NBA Senior Writer Chris Broussard reports on this morning’s NBA 411 segment during the Mike and Mike in the Morning simulcast on ESPN2 that Lawrence Frank is on the hot seat and could lose his job if the Nets don’t earn a playoff berth. Broussard mentions how both Bruce Ratner and Rod Thorn like Lawrence Frank, but says winning has become a priority and will take precedent over personal feelings.

Broussard first reported that Larry Brown is interested in returning to coaching, at almost any cost, before his segue way into the Frank story, though he made sure to mention that Brown would not fit in New Jersey. One look at the Nets record, compared to the pre-season expectations, and Frank on the hot seat does not come as a shock. Fans have lit up message boards calling for the coach’s head during this dysfunctional, disappointing season, though this marks the first public report from sources close to Ratner and Thorn that a change may be on the horizon.

Ironically, this report comes a day after possibly the most disappointing loss to date this season, a 16-point defeat to Chicago, with a potentially season defining game against Atlanta tonight. The rumor will not serve as any distraction, only a reminder of how far the Nets are from where they expected to be.

If Frank goes, who should be next in line?

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Tags: firing, Lawrence Frank, New Jersey Nets, Rod Thorn
 
I honestly hope hes gone......only reason he even has a winning record is because of star power on the Nets team such as Kidd, VC, RJ.....take those 3 stars out, you have a loosing coach.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netsfan99 @ Mar 23 2008, 03:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I honestly hope hes gone......only reason he even has a winning record is because of star power on the Nets team such as Kidd, VC, RJ.....take those 3 stars out, you have a loosing coach.</div>

you can say that with every coach... if phil jackson didnt have jordan and pippen he wouldnt be that great of a coach and earn his "zen master" nick name
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Mar 23 2008, 02:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No more small-ball lineups with this squad. It just doesn't work. I'm sick of seeing it, and I'm sick of this team losing because of it. Also, there's too many good big men on this team right now to play small ball. I've seen too many ties or leads slip away because Frank chooses Boki instead of Diop, Sean, Krstic, or Boone.</div>
This is one of the best arguments against Frank...his lineups are horrible. The fact that we have 5 capable big men and still play small ball is ridiculous. It's one thing when you have ultra atheletic talent and depth at SF like Chicago does...but realistically Boki and Hassell aren't talented enough to warrant playing small ball.

Also hate that Frank doesnt attempt to set a rotation and develop his bench...giving players 20 mins one night and then 8 the next will never help to develop consistent play.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Mar 23 2008, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>and really what excuse does frank have? we have the better roster then the sixers and we still lose to them? he cant win with kidd, without him, this team will be stuck in mediocrity for years, from finalists to lottery bound for the next 3 years, thanks rod thorn</div>

What makes you think we have a better roster than the sixers? They have a better record with a team that's been playing together all year and didn't just trade away its best player.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Mar 23 2008, 09:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How's Byron Scott doing these days?</div>

Chris Paul would make Jim Boylan look like a good head coach too.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lukewarmplay @ Mar 24 2008, 01:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Mar 23 2008, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>and really what excuse does frank have? we have the better roster then the sixers and we still lose to them? he cant win with kidd, without him, this team will be stuck in mediocrity for years, from finalists to lottery bound for the next 3 years, thanks rod thorn</div>

What makes you think we have a better roster than the sixers? They have a better record with a team that's been playing together all year and didn't just trade away its best player.
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Player for player:

Devin > Miller
VC < Iggy
RJ > THaddus
Krstic > Evans
Boone = Sammy

We added Devin but he's played great right off the bat. THe other 4 are used to playing with one another. The Nets have the better roster yet dont live up to expectations
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Mar 24 2008, 12:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Mar 23 2008, 09:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How's Byron Scott doing these days?</div>

Chris Paul would make Jim Boylan look like a good head coach too.
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How would Kidd, RJ, and Vince make Boylan look?

LOL
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Mar 24 2008, 09:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lukewarmplay @ Mar 24 2008, 01:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Mar 23 2008, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>and really what excuse does frank have? we have the better roster then the sixers and we still lose to them? he cant win with kidd, without him, this team will be stuck in mediocrity for years, from finalists to lottery bound for the next 3 years, thanks rod thorn</div>

What makes you think we have a better roster than the sixers? They have a better record with a team that's been playing together all year and didn't just trade away its best player.
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Player for player:

Devin > Miller
VC < Iggy
RJ > THaddus
Krstic > Evans
Boone = Sammy

We added Devin but he's played great right off the bat. THe other 4 are used to playing with one another. The Nets have the better roster yet dont live up to expectations
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You really have to stop looking at individuals games and start looking at how the team plays together. It takes time. The team hasn't been able to prep for every scenario like it would since camp. The 2-3 zone against Denver and the 2-2-1 3/4 trap that Philly used totally stymied the Nets. Why? They haven't been together enough to prep and practice <u>as a group</u> everything they will see in this league.

And Boone is not equal to Sammy at this stage, has no where near the same impact protecting the rim. Sammy is also the main reason Philly leads the league in offensive rebounds. Krstic and Evans are two completely different kind of players. Nachbar was shit. Our bench blows and is completely irratic!!! Gave us 12 pts compared to Philly's bench giving 21 pts... that's the ball game.
 
I'd say Kidd, Carter and RJ would make Boylan look about like Wallace, Hinrich, Gordon, Deng and Nocioni have made hm look.

I LOL at comparing Chris Paul to anyone in this group.
 
If they get swept by the Knicks tonight, I think that's reason enough to fire Frank right there. You can' get swept by that joke of a franchise. Plus, they're in tank mode.

As mentioned, Frank's rotations are terrible. He's had about month since Harris and the other guys got here to figure things out, and there's no rhyme or reason to any subs he brings in. Sometimes it's Hassel, sometimes it's Stro, or Diop, sometimes it's Sean Williams. Guys play better when they know their roles. And he doesn't prepare his team for defensive switches.

At this point there should be a set 9-man rotation. Sorry, but Hassel should never see the court. He's not even a defensive stopper anymore, so don't tell me he is. He's basically Jason Collins on offense, worthless, and he hurts the team, because no one has to pay attention to him.

I'd argue that Marcus Williams is getting too much time alongside Harris. Also, Kristic should not be starting. He's just not ready, he'll have an okay game here or there, but he's gets abused on the boards and down on the blocks.

The team's biggest weakness is they are 1 or 2 outside shooters short. They don't have that deep threat you can count on, to avoid the long dry spells. Last year they had two guys, Boki and House, this year not even Boki can be counted on.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Mar 24 2008, 09:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd say Kidd, Carter and RJ would make Boylan look about like Wallace, Hinrich, Gordon, Deng and Nocioni have made hm look.

I LOL at comparing Chris Paul to anyone in this group.</div>

Those guys made Skiles look like coach of a 49 win team
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (footswalker @ Mar 24 2008, 11:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If they get swept by the Knicks tonight, I think that's reason enough to fire Frank right there. You can' get swept by that joke of a franchise. Plus, they're in tank mode.

As mentioned, Frank's rotations are terrible. He's had about month since Harris and the other guys got here to figure things out, and there's no rhyme or reason to any subs he brings in. Sometimes it's Hassel, sometimes it's Stro, or Diop, sometimes it's Sean Williams. Guys play better when they know their roles. And he doesn't prepare his team for defensive switches.

At this point there should be a set 9-man rotation. Sorry, but Hassel should never see the court. He's not even a defensive stopper anymore, so don't tell me he is. He's basically Jason Collins on offense, worthless, and he hurts the team, because no one has to pay attention to him.

I'd argue that Marcus Williams is getting too much time alongside Harris. Also, Kristic should not be starting. He's just not ready, he'll have an okay game here or there, but he's gets abused on the boards and down on the blocks.

The team's biggest weakness is they are 1 or 2 outside shooters short. They don't have that deep threat you can count on, to avoid the long dry spells. Last year they had two guys, Boki and House, this year not even Boki can be counted on.</div>
LOL... Krstic isn't ready and shouldn't start, Hassell shouldn't see the court, Marcus is seeing too much time, and Boki can't be counted on. And Lawrence needs to be fired for not winning with this group??? We would win with Sean in the starting line up and a bench of Ager, Diop, Swift, and Nenad?

I'm at the stage where I'm not against changing coaches if the right candidate came around, but the guys been dealt a shit hand from day 1. This season has just been fucked.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Mar 24 2008, 11:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (footswalker @ Mar 24 2008, 11:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If they get swept by the Knicks tonight, I think that's reason enough to fire Frank right there. You can' get swept by that joke of a franchise. Plus, they're in tank mode.

As mentioned, Frank's rotations are terrible. He's had about month since Harris and the other guys got here to figure things out, and there's no rhyme or reason to any subs he brings in. Sometimes it's Hassel, sometimes it's Stro, or Diop, sometimes it's Sean Williams. Guys play better when they know their roles. And he doesn't prepare his team for defensive switches.

At this point there should be a set 9-man rotation. Sorry, but Hassel should never see the court. He's not even a defensive stopper anymore, so don't tell me he is. He's basically Jason Collins on offense, worthless, and he hurts the team, because no one has to pay attention to him.

I'd argue that Marcus Williams is getting too much time alongside Harris. Also, Kristic should not be starting. He's just not ready, he'll have an okay game here or there, but he's gets abused on the boards and down on the blocks.

The team's biggest weakness is they are 1 or 2 outside shooters short. They don't have that deep threat you can count on, to avoid the long dry spells. Last year they had two guys, Boki and House, this year not even Boki can be counted on.</div>
LOL... Krstic isn't ready and shouldn't start, Hassell shouldn't see the court, Marcus is seeing too much time, and Boki can't be counted on. And Lawrence needs to be fired for not winning with this group??? We would win with Sean in the starting line up and a bench of Ager, Diop, Swift, and Nenad?

I'm at the stage where I'm not against changing coaches if the right candidate came around, but the guys been dealt a shit hand from day 1. This season has just been fucked.
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He should be fired, because he doesn't get the best out his players, doesn't command respect, doesn't inspire, rarely has his team fired up from the tip, waited wayy too long to make the Boone-Williams switch, makes crap in-game adjustments and jumps around like a silly child on the sideline. That's why he needs to go. This team has holes, but they should be about 6-7 games better in their record. He's done a piss poor job, even he would admit he's not done a good job.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (footswalker @ Mar 24 2008, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Mar 24 2008, 11:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (footswalker @ Mar 24 2008, 11:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If they get swept by the Knicks tonight, I think that's reason enough to fire Frank right there. You can' get swept by that joke of a franchise. Plus, they're in tank mode.

As mentioned, Frank's rotations are terrible. He's had about month since Harris and the other guys got here to figure things out, and there's no rhyme or reason to any subs he brings in. Sometimes it's Hassel, sometimes it's Stro, or Diop, sometimes it's Sean Williams. Guys play better when they know their roles. And he doesn't prepare his team for defensive switches.

At this point there should be a set 9-man rotation. Sorry, but Hassel should never see the court. He's not even a defensive stopper anymore, so don't tell me he is. He's basically Jason Collins on offense, worthless, and he hurts the team, because no one has to pay attention to him.

I'd argue that Marcus Williams is getting too much time alongside Harris. Also, Kristic should not be starting. He's just not ready, he'll have an okay game here or there, but he's gets abused on the boards and down on the blocks.

The team's biggest weakness is they are 1 or 2 outside shooters short. They don't have that deep threat you can count on, to avoid the long dry spells. Last year they had two guys, Boki and House, this year not even Boki can be counted on.</div>
LOL... Krstic isn't ready and shouldn't start, Hassell shouldn't see the court, Marcus is seeing too much time, and Boki can't be counted on. And Lawrence needs to be fired for not winning with this group??? We would win with Sean in the starting line up and a bench of Ager, Diop, Swift, and Nenad?

I'm at the stage where I'm not against changing coaches if the right candidate came around, but the guys been dealt a shit hand from day 1. This season has just been fucked.
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He should be fired, because he doesn't get the best out his players, doesn't command respect, doesn't inspire, rarely has his team fired up from the tip, waited wayy too long to make the Boone-Williams switch, makes crap in-game adjustments and jumps around like a silly child on the sideline. That's why he needs to go. This team has holes, but they should be about 6-7 games better in their record. He's done a piss poor job, even he would admit he's not done a good job.
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Never heard one player said he doesn't respect Frank (past or present). Nor have I heard anyone say he is draggin them down and not inspiring them. Not one complains about him jumping up and down on the sideline or calling him a micro manager. I've heard such things about Avery Johnson, but never Frank.

He may need to go because I'm not sure he knows how to build a team identity from scratch, but your reasons appear to be more about how you personally feel about him and have no basis in anything we've ever heard from the people close to the team.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Mar 24 2008, 11:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Mar 24 2008, 09:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd say Kidd, Carter and RJ would make Boylan look about like Wallace, Hinrich, Gordon, Deng and Nocioni have made hm look.

I LOL at comparing Chris Paul to anyone in this group.</div>

Those guys made Skiles look like coach of a 49 win team
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So I'm wrong. 49 win coaches like Frank and Skiles would do a lot better with these players than Jim Boylan.

Still not LOL, though.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Mar 24 2008, 09:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lukewarmplay @ Mar 24 2008, 01:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Mar 23 2008, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>and really what excuse does frank have? we have the better roster then the sixers and we still lose to them? he cant win with kidd, without him, this team will be stuck in mediocrity for years, from finalists to lottery bound for the next 3 years, thanks rod thorn</div>

What makes you think we have a better roster than the sixers? They have a better record with a team that's been playing together all year and didn't just trade away its best player.
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Player for player:

Devin > Miller
VC < Iggy
RJ > THaddus
Krstic > Evans
Boone = Sammy

We added Devin but he's played great right off the bat. THe other 4 are used to playing with one another. The Nets have the better roster yet dont live up to expectations
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You're basically making the claim that with a different coach, this team's record should be better than the sixers- and since you're basing that claim on the current lineup and we just downgraded at point guard and are playing a not-there-yet Krstic, the record should be substantially better. Something like 40 wins, on pace for 50. I really don't see any coach having that big of an effect.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Mar 24 2008, 01:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (footswalker @ Mar 24 2008, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Mar 24 2008, 11:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (footswalker @ Mar 24 2008, 11:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If they get swept by the Knicks tonight, I think that's reason enough to fire Frank right there. You can' get swept by that joke of a franchise. Plus, they're in tank mode.

As mentioned, Frank's rotations are terrible. He's had about month since Harris and the other guys got here to figure things out, and there's no rhyme or reason to any subs he brings in. Sometimes it's Hassel, sometimes it's Stro, or Diop, sometimes it's Sean Williams. Guys play better when they know their roles. And he doesn't prepare his team for defensive switches.

At this point there should be a set 9-man rotation. Sorry, but Hassel should never see the court. He's not even a defensive stopper anymore, so don't tell me he is. He's basically Jason Collins on offense, worthless, and he hurts the team, because no one has to pay attention to him.

I'd argue that Marcus Williams is getting too much time alongside Harris. Also, Kristic should not be starting. He's just not ready, he'll have an okay game here or there, but he's gets abused on the boards and down on the blocks.

The team's biggest weakness is they are 1 or 2 outside shooters short. They don't have that deep threat you can count on, to avoid the long dry spells. Last year they had two guys, Boki and House, this year not even Boki can be counted on.</div>
LOL... Krstic isn't ready and shouldn't start, Hassell shouldn't see the court, Marcus is seeing too much time, and Boki can't be counted on. And Lawrence needs to be fired for not winning with this group??? We would win with Sean in the starting line up and a bench of Ager, Diop, Swift, and Nenad?

I'm at the stage where I'm not against changing coaches if the right candidate came around, but the guys been dealt a shit hand from day 1. This season has just been fucked.
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He should be fired, because he doesn't get the best out his players, doesn't command respect, doesn't inspire, rarely has his team fired up from the tip, waited wayy too long to make the Boone-Williams switch, makes crap in-game adjustments and jumps around like a silly child on the sideline. That's why he needs to go. This team has holes, but they should be about 6-7 games better in their record. He's done a piss poor job, even he would admit he's not done a good job.
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Never heard one player said he doesn't respect Frank (past or present). Nor have I heard anyone say he is draggin them down and not inspiring them. Not one complains about him jumping up and down on the sideline or calling him a micro manager. I've heard such things about Avery Johnson, but never Frank.

He may need to go because I'm not sure he knows how to build a team identity from scratch, but your reasons appear to be more about how you personally feel about him and have no basis in anything we've ever heard from the people close to the team.
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Here's one such incident where the team appeared to openly mock him (scroll down to the Spurs-Nets game:
http://nbadrew.blogspot.com/2008/03/san-an...purs-23_18.html
This guy doesn't seem to have any reason to lie about it. I also witnessed similar incidents at the Nets-Clips game this year. Guys just tune him out, or walk away from one of his huddles shaking their heads. Obviously, no one's going to openly say they don't respect him. What reason do they have to respect him? What's he ever done? What's he ever won?
 
From Chris Broussard's Blog on ESPN

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?...broussard_chris



Lawrence Frank -- The Nets have struggled to find an identity under Frank, and the players have lost faith in him. For a club this talented (Vince, RJ, J-Kidd/Devin Harris ,etc …) to be struggling to make the playoffs in the atrocious East is a travesty. Word is he's in trouble if Nets don't secure at least the eighth seed. He should be in trouble regardless



Kiki is already in Rod's ear Frank is toast last 3 years same thing we struggle most of the season and then we make a run at the end of the year to barely make it, as much as management likes Frank, you can't keep trading players away because they don't respond to the coach, this team needs a new voice
 
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