Politics The Left vs. The Right...Where does the hatred lie?

[Orion Bailey]

Interesting video about the differences between the right and left and the emotions involved.
It sure does feel like there is an increasing divide. A mason-dixen line of sorts.
Thoughts?

 

[Orion Bailey]

This part bothers me. I certainly don’t agree with those who support Trump, but if this place simply drives everyone away that we don’t agree with, what’s the point?

The problem with thinking that that your opponents’ thoughts are always wrong is that you’re always wrong.

Just to be clear, I’m not aiming that at you, riverman. I just find in general that there is less tolerance of other ideas around here than there used to be.

not trying to call you out. I just think this video ties in with what you are saying and this forum somewhat solidifies what they are saying.



and i just want to state, its very possible to not like Trump or support him and still maintain republican ideals. As one of these people, ive felt too often lumped in with the “Evils“
Some of the things Trump haters have said in here has really enlightened me as to the increasing divide in politics as well as the decreasing ability to accept another’s differing opinion.
I dont speak of anything racial. I speak of money, funding, ideals.
It has very much felt here that if i dont agree with the full on liberal/socialist movement im part of the problem and evil.
Little discussion, just condemnation.

 

[Minstrel]

It sure does feel like there is an increasing divide. A dixie line of sorts.
Thoughts?

I'll check out the video later when I have some time, but I think you mean a Mason-Dixon line! That's my thoughts so far.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Also. Not trying to and lets not make this about the forum. My thoughts were the public in general and was my intent of the OP. Then i read a thread that tied into this.
So

discuss? Thoughts? Are the people in the video delusion or do you agree with them and in wither case, why?

 

[Orion Bailey]

I'll check out the video later when I have some time, but I think you mean a Mason-Dixon line! That's my thoughts so far.

Lol i do.
And i meant to just type dixen. Not dixie.

 

[barfo]

republican ideals? What are those?
I don't think the republican party has the same ideals as you, if you don't like trump.

barfo

 

[Orion Bailey]

republican ideals? What are those?
I don't think the republican party has the same ideals as you, if you don't like trump.

barfo

actually they do. Limited government(obviously detail oriented and dependent on specific topic of government at hand)
More state and local control and less fed. control of domestic issues.

Now im a liberal republican so im not on all the same lines as some republicans, but really.

Its not about me.

Its about the increasing divide and lack of ability to work together due to closed off communication based on strict labels pinned on anyone who disagrees with the pinner.

This isnt about Trump. This is about the increasing divide and the hatred for the opposition that seems to be growing.

Please stay on topic.

 

[barfo]

actually they do. Limited government(obviously detail oriented and dependent on specific topic of government at hand)
More state and local control and less fed. control of domestic issues.

Now im a liberal republican so im not on all the same lines as some republicans, but really.

Its not about me.

Its about the increasing divide and lack of ability to work together due to closed off communication based on strict labels pinned on anyone who disagrees with the pinner.

This isnt about Trump. This is about the increasing divide and the hatred for the opposition that seems to be growing.

Please stay on topic.

Well, you don't seem to even understand which teams are on the field. Republicans (the Republican party, that is) aren't for any of those things you listed. They used to say they were for those things, but the last three years have proven they don't actually care about them at all.

barfo

 

[Hoopguru]

To me those that are angry and taking no prisoners (regardless of party) are those on the xtreme. Because the issues are black and white in their opinion and you either agree with their way of thinking or you don't fit. The internet is the supercharger behind a lot of the polarization and hate. I personally think, there are many centrist or moderates that are willing to compromise and would be civil to sit down and discuss and give and take. If the extremist that are bent only on beating down the opposition and getting only their own way, out number the middle ground, centerist, moderates, independants, things will fall apart even more. It's going to be interesting to see what issues sway voters come November.

 

[Hoopguru]

Well, you don't seem to even understand which teams are on the field. Republicans (the Republican party, that is) aren't for any of those things you listed. They used to say they were for those things, but the last three years have proven they don't actually care about them at all.

barfo

neither party does when it come down to it.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Well, you don't seem to even understand which teams are on the field. Republicans (the Republican party, that is) aren't for any of those things you listed. They used to say they were for those things, but the last three years have proven they don't actually care about them at all.

barfo

okay so your not really interested in a meaningful discussion. Thats okay.

 

[Stevenson]

okay so your not really interested in a meaningful discussion. Thats okay.

Sorry, but @barfo is 100% correct. The current GOP does not believe in limited government, or smaller government, or fiscal conservatism, or any oof those other things that they used to believe in. And that is why, yes, it is all about Trump.

You seem to be the one who cant have a meaningful discussion if you fail to see this isn't the Bush or Reagan Republican Party. Not even close. Pretending that it is is a non-starter for any meaningful discussion.

 

[Road Ratt]

I couldn't finish the first 4 minutes of the video as they tried to play the "enlightened ones" while calling people sheep. Not very enlightened of them I'm afraid.

As far as the left and the right are concerned. Polls show that both sides actually agree on more issues than they disagree on. Their parties leaders pull at the strings that divide the two parties, to keep their supporters at odds. Divide and conquer. It keeps the people from getting together and agreeing that their leadership is screwing them over.

 

[Hoopguru]

It was the North versus South during the Civil War, nowadays it's pretty much left & ne coast against the states in between.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Sorry, but @barfo is 100% correct. The current GOP does not believe in limited government, or smaller government, or fiscal conservatism, or any oof those other things that they used to believe in. And that is why, yes, it is all about Trump.

You seem to be the one who cant have a meaningful discussion if you fail to see this isn't the Bush or Reagan Republican Party. Not even close. Pretending that it is is a non-starter for any meaningful discussion.

did you, or him, watch the video?

that would be the start in a meaningful discussion instead of turning the op into a republican ideals argument.
So no i believe you to be incorrect, as the post wasn't up long enough for him to watch the half hour video.
How can one have a meaningful discussion without watching a video the op posted to discuss?

i rest my case...

 

[Orion Bailey]

I couldn't finish the first 4 minutes of the video as they tried to play the "enlightened ones" while calling people sheep. Not very enlightened of them I'm afraid.

As far as the left and the right are concerned. Polls show that both sides actually agree on more issues than they disagree on. Their parties leaders pull at the strings that divide the two parties, to keep their supporters at odds. Divide and conquer. It keeps the people from getting together and agreeing that their leadership is screwing them over.

I couldn't finish the first 4 minutes of the video as they tried to play the "enlightened ones" while calling people sheep. Not very enlightened of them I'm afraid.

As far as the left and the right are concerned. Polls show that both sides actually agree on more issues than they disagree on. Their parties leaders pull at the strings that divide the two parties, to keep their supporters at odds. Divide and conquer. It keeps the people from getting together and agreeing that their leadership is screwing them over.

yeah it is a right slanted show I'm sure, but take thier enlightened emo out of it and what they are saying fits for the most part. Not all of it but most, in my opinion.
Ive found few videos from either side where they speak without seeming enlightened or right. So take it in stride.

I agree with you about the politicians but at the same time each individual is responsible forctheir own emotions and thought process right?

it looks like it, but it is hard to believe, we are sheep to this extent.
I do believe internet and social media has destroyed many conversational opportunities in life.
Is it tied into our instant, drive-thru life? abide by the headline regardless of what the article says or contradicts?

what is driving the hatred that i see more and more on a daily basis simply for disagreeing on social service ideals?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I saw this earlier today and thought it was interesting.

This is the list of people running for governor of Washington.

There are at least 8 different versions of the republican party on the ballot.



https://ballotpedia.org/Washington_gubernatorial_election,_2020_(August_4_top-two_primary)

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I saw this earlier today and thought it was interesting.

This is the list of people running for governor of Washington.

There are at least 8 different versions of the republican party on the ballot.

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https://ballotpedia.org/Washington_gubernatorial_election,_2020_(August_4_top-two_primary)

It will be interesting to see if this will be a trend nationwide.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I saw this earlier today and thought it was interesting.

This is the list of people running for governor of Washington.

There are at least 8 different versions of the republican party on the ballot.

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https://ballotpedia.org/Washington_gubernatorial_election,_2020_(August_4_top-two_primary)

so what you are saying is, much like the dems, not all republicans are the same?

hmm seems i was told something seemingly different earlier. So what do you think about the growing hatred of opposing views that some in Both parties seem to have?

 

[Road Ratt]

yeah it is a right slanted show I'm sure, but take thier enlightened emo out of it and what they are saying fits for the most part. Not all of it but most, in my opinion.
Ive found few videos from either side where they speak without seeming enlightened or right. So take it in stride.

I have a problem even with the news sources that I watch when they start implying that one party or the other is unintelligent, sheep, etc. . Talk like that is what keeps the two parties apart. And it also cancels out any message of: "Let's all get along". Besides as Albert Einstein said:

"Everyone is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."

I agree with you about the politicians but at the same time each individual is responsible forctheir own emotions and thought process right? it looks like it, but it is hard to believe, we are sheep to this extent.

True, each individual is responsible for their own emotions. But both sides are being told two separate stories by their media. Between the propaganda and fake news, it's no wonder neither party gets along. Which ties back to my belief that it is the party leaders that keep their supporters at odds with each other.

I do believe internet and social media has destroyed many conversational opportunities in life.
Is it tied into our instant, drive-thru life? abide by the headline regardless of what the article says or contradicts?

what is driving the hatred that i see more and more on a daily basis simply for disagreeing on social service ideals?

People are taught hatred here in America from the time we are born. Hate the democrats, the republicans, people of color, other countries, and especially terrorists. Which, ironically, are always located in places that America has bombed the hell out of. If our parents didn't teach us hatred, our country had it covered for them.

Sorry, I am probably being too literal here.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

so what you are saying is, much like the dems, not all republicans are the same?

hmm seems i was told something seemingly different earlier. So what do you think about the growing hatred of opposing views that some in Both parties seem to have?

I think people and parties focus too much on the other side instead of focusing on the problems of their own party.

As a conservative and former republican I am horrified and enraged that racists and white supremacists feel they now have a voice in the republican party.

But this is a sports forum so I will make it fit the space.

If a slightly altered version of the Blazer pinwheel was to be suddenly embraced by pedophiles and child molesters and not only didn't the Blazers say anything about it but retweeted people using that symbol and allowed it to be displayed by fans at the games that would do it for me. I would stop being a Blazer fan. There is no way I could support the team.

If I belong to or support an organization I don't excuse horrific behavior because I believe the other side is worse.

And that's what republicans and conservatives are being asked to do now.

 

[Shaboid]

I saw this earlier today and thought it was interesting.

This is the list of people running for governor of Washington.

There are at least 8 different versions of the republican party on the ballot.

View attachment 32480

https://ballotpedia.org/Washington_gubernatorial_election,_2020_(August_4_top-two_primary)

GoodSpaceGuy lol what a great name

 

[Orion Bailey]

I think people and parties focus too much on the other side instead of focusing on the problems of their own party.

As a conservative and former republican I am horrified and enraged that racists and white supremacists feel they now have a voice in the republican party.

But this is a sports forum so I will make it fit the space.

If a slightly altered version of the Blazer pinwheel was to be suddenly embraced by pedophiles and child molesters and not only didn't the Blazers say anything about it but retweeted people using that symbol and allowed it to be displayed by fans at the games that would do it for me. I would stop being a Blazer fan. There is no way I could support the team.

If I belong to or support an organization I don't excuse horrific behavior because I believe the other side is worse.

And that's what republicans and conservatives are being asked to do now.

well if it helps i have republican ideals. Im also a former republican, much because of what you state.

hatred though i agree with @Road Ratt. Its taught to us from birth.
I want people to be independent thinkers but society proves me wrong.
Aith that said the scenario you played out is a bit different in that Trump cant stick around forever no matter how much he is embraced.

so as much as i acknowledge Trump has not helped, the hatred was around prior to him. Antifa has been around longer and they have a strong percentage that leans towards violence Nd hatred for anyone who doesn't agree with them. Plenty of vids out there displaying such.

 

[barfo]

did you, or him, watch the video?

that would be the start in a meaningful discussion instead of turning the op into a republican ideals argument.
So no i believe you to be incorrect, as the post wasn't up long enough for him to watch the half hour video.
How can one have a meaningful discussion without watching a video the op posted to discuss?

i rest my case...

I certainly didn't watch it, nor do I intend to. If I watched every video posted here, I'd have no time for anything else.
I'm not interested in what a random dude says in a video, I'm interested in what a random dude on S2 says in a post.
That's why I responded to what you said, OB. If you want to summarize the video for me in your own words, I'll read it and respond.

barfo

 

[Orion Bailey]

I certainly didn't watch it, nor do I intend to. If I watched every video posted here, I'd have no time for anything else.
I'm not interested in what a random dude says in a video, I'm interested in what a random dude on S2 says in a post.
That's why I responded to what you said, OB. If you want to summarize the video for me in your own words, I'll read it and respond.

barfo

but then you get my biased viewpoint instead of your own interpretation.

i get what you aRe saying if i just made a post to discuss randomly, but i made a post to discuss a Specific video ANd their viewpoint aNd you in turn want to discuss my viewpoint.
Not. Good start for healthy discussion if you ask me. My viewpoint has been noted many times so why would you want to discuss the known? Why not discuss another persons viewpoint in hopes of learning something new rather than regurgitating the same viewpoints over and over of forum members?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I certainly didn't watch it, nor do I intend to. If I watched every video posted here, I'd have no time for anything else.
I'm not interested in what a random dude says in a video, I'm interested in what a random dude on S2 says in a post.
That's why I responded to what you said, OB. If you want to summarize the video for me in your own words, I'll read it and respond.

barfo

You watch all the porn links I send you.

Pervert Pirate!

 

[barfo]

You watch all the porn links I send you.

Pervert Pirate!

That's totally different. I pay you to pick the best porn links for me.

barfo

 

[barfo]

but then you get my biased viewpoint instead of your own interpretation.

I'm interested in your biased viewpoint; I'm not interested in some random video dude's biased viewpoint.

i get what you aRe saying if i just made a post to discuss randomly, but i made a post to discuss a Specific video ANd their viewpoint aNd you in turn want to discuss my viewpoint.

And I get what you are saying, but that would bore me, so I derailed your thread in order to discuss your viewpoint. Sue me.

Not. Good start for healthy discussion if you ask me. My viewpoint has been noted many times so why would you want to discuss the known? Why not discuss another persons viewpoint in hopes of learning something new rather than regurgitating the same viewpoints over and over of forum members?

Well, that's very humble of you, to think that you are less interesting than some video, but I'm just not sure I agree.

barfo

 

[Orion Bailey]

I'm interested in your biased viewpoint; I'm not interested in some random video dude's biased viewpoint.



And I get what you are saying, but that would bore me, so I derailed your thread in order to discuss your viewpoint. Sue me.



Well, that's very humble of you, to think that you are less interesting than some video, but I'm just not sure I agree.

barfo

Flattery will not disrobe me.

for me, it isnt a out who here is interesting or not. its about trying to come to a better understanding of why it seems hatred is growing in politics.

One may blame Trump, but the fact is hatred in politics was there before him.

Yes it seems to be compounding, but so do many things.

So i find myself asking the same question i started with in a sense then....

Why do you feel hatred seems to be growing in politics and why increasing separation?

why so little effort to try to see the opposing viewpoint before striking it down as nonsense?

I see it in many facets of discussion. Politics, sports, social and communal discussions, etc.

do you see this as well and if so, what is your reasoning behind it?

 

[RR7]

Why do you feel hatred seems to be growing in politics and why increasing separation?

why so little effort to try to see the opposing viewpoint before striking it down as nonsense?

I'll admit, I also did not watch the video. I generally hate watching videos. So usually just pass them by. But, in regards to these comments, I often see the initial separation, and where the biggest division lies, is one one group trying to get access. To get rights. And the other group not wanting them to. Super generically, of course. But that's what a lot boils down to.

And so then it comes to your second comment of trying to see the other viewpoints...you're denying someone rights that you receive(not you specifically), what viewpoint am I trying to see there?

I had commented on this in a different thread,of everything being all or nothing. That's not the case, but some things, there is no middle ground.