The MC arena is on the chopping block ....again

[Fez Hammersticks]

The MC could be on the chopping block .....again:

renovate or remodel the 54-year-old glass box
continue operations as-is
close it down
or – most dramatically – demolish it for future redevelopment of the broader Rose Quarter

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I find it interesting that this site was endorsed by the mayor this past year for a baseball stadium. That came out if the blue considering the NIMBY outcry to get it a historical protection - and getting it.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

20 year lease to Spirit Mountain. Have them donate 10% of the profits to Portland Schools as part of the agreement.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

That wouldn't work because the state has a gaming pact with all the gaming tribes in the state.

It would have to be a consolidated casino with all the tribes and that just wouldn't work.

I'm all for density and to prevent the LA/Phoenix/Houston sprawl nightmare you have to build up. A real high-rise housing district. Something I had hoped SoWa would turn into but that district is a lost cause.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

Tear it down.

 

[MarAzul]

That wouldn't work because the state has a gaming pact with all the gaming tribes in the state.

It would have to be a consolidated casino with all the tribes and that just wouldn't work.

I'm all for density and to prevent the LA/Phoenix/Houston sprawl nightmare you have to build up. A real high-rise housing district. Something I had hoped SoWa would turn into but that district is a lost cause.

Am I reading this right? You want higher density, build higher and stack em tighter?

How do you benefit from this?

 

[Natebishop3]

Am I reading this right? You want higher density, build higher and stack em tighter?

How do you benefit from this?

Do you understand sprawl and what it looks like?

 

[MarAzul]

Do you understand sprawl and what it looks like?

Uh, Where I live, 360 acres was turned into 52 private homes. Not very high density hey. Sprawl? Sound like you fellas prefer to live like a termite.

 

[Natebishop3]

Uh, Where I live, 360 acres was turned into 52 private homes. Not very high density hey. Sprawl? Sound like you fellas prefer to live like a termite.

So the answer is no, you don't understand sprawl?

 

[MarAzul]

So the answer is no, you don't understand sprawl?

I hear sprawl used as the alternative to high density as apparently you use it.
I reject the notion.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

I hear sprawl used as the alternative to high density as apparently you use it.
I reject the notion.

Huh? Are you aware of the 2035 city plan?

Two huge factors to go high-density:

*Metro pop projection: Think current-day Seattle: over 3 million with a core pop of nearly one million. Current pop is approaching 2.4m and there isn't enough housing as it is.
*Strict urban growth boundaries to protect farmland and scenery

Even NIMBYs support the growth boundries. You need to build up. Fwiw, MANY high-density projects are u/c and are projected to not come close to the current demand. Same goes for commercial space -- lowest vacancy rate of any major city in the country.

 

[barfo]

Uh, Where I live, 360 acres was turned into 52 private homes. Not very high density hey. Sprawl? Sound like you fellas prefer to live like a termite.

How far is it again for you to that doctor that closes at 3pm?

barfo

 

[barfo]

The architects who saved the MC last time should have their licenses revoked. It's not that interesting.

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

Huh? Are you aware of the 2035 city plan?

Two huge factors to go high-density:

*Metro pop projection: Think current-day Seattle: over 3 million with a core pop of nearly one million. Current pop is approaching 2.4m and there isn't enough housing as it is.
*Strict urban growth boundaries to protect farmland and scenery

Even NIMBYs support the growth boundries. You need to build up. Fwiw, MANY high-density projects are u/c and are projected to not come close to the current demand. Same goes for commercial space -- lowest vacancy rate of any major city in the country.

Geez, sounds like a ant colony! I spent my share of time work in London, Tokyo, New York, don't care for it. Oregon is a big state, if I were you guys I would spread out a little. More air to breath is really nice, I think you would like it if you get use to it.

PS. I think you guys use "sprawl" to mean where the other guy lives.

 

[MarAzul]

How far is it again for you to that doctor that closes at 3pm?

barfo

About 45 minutes. Closing at 3 is ok once you know about it, sort of pisses you off finding out after the 45 minutes.

 

[barfo]

Geez, sounds like a ant colony! I spent my share of time work in London, Tokyo, New York, don't care for it. Oregon is a big state, if I were you guys I would spread out a little. More air to breath is really nice, I think you would like it if you get use to it.

PS. I think you guys use "sprawl" to mean where the other guy lives.

To belabor the obvious, most of the forum is of working age, and there aren't a lot of jobs in Bandon or other rural Oregon locations. You yourself worked elsewhere when you worked. So all you are really doing is bragging about being retired.

Which is having the desired effect, I'm totally jealous. But it won't be long now...

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

To belabor the obvious, most of the forum is of working age, and there aren't a lot of jobs in Bandon or other rural Oregon locations. You yourself worked elsewhere when you worked. So all you are really doing is bragging about being retired.

Which is having the desired effect, I'm totally jealous. But it won't be long now...
barfo

Actually I am not. I would however, change the way I lived when I worked. Most of the time I really could have lived where ever the heck I wanted. A small apartment near the work would do and home where you like. Working in Tokyo, London or where ever your still stuck with when required, but at least have one place outside the ant colony.

Well yeah, I am pleased as can be to be living where I am.

 

[santeesioux]

Tear it down and build an MLB stadium. I'm tired of a joke team like the Mariners having a stranglehold on this market.

 

[Natebishop3]

I hear sprawl used as the alternative to high density as apparently you use it.
I reject the notion.

No. Sprawl is not the alternative to high density. Sprawl is what you get in places like Houston, Phoenix, and Cleveland where the downtown area is dead and rotting, while the developers just keep building and building and building further and further out. Every time they develop a new area, another area further in dies and is left to fall apart. It's what we would have if the original Republicans and Democrats of Oregon hadn't had the foresight to enact the UGB.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Hopefully the city will do the right thing this time and tear it down

 

[MarAzul]

No. Sprawl is not the alternative to high density. Sprawl is what you get in places like Houston, Phoenix, and Cleveland where the downtown area is dead and rotting, while the developers just keep building and building and building further and further out. Every time they develop a new area, another area further in dies and is left to fall apart. It's what we would have if the original Republicans and Democrats of Oregon hadn't had the foresight to enact the UGB.

You don't want growth? Ok Stop immigration. Damn few people if not most do not want to live on top of each other. That is what happens with population growth encouraged while you have growth boundaries. The other super bullshit problem with it is, corruption. Every so often you expand the boundaries, usually decided by the graft involved.

Another problem with your simple play is, people leave an area as undesirable when it is, not because a new house has be built some where else. Conversely, the undesirable areas do not get corrected just because you stifled a man from building a new house where he would choose, but you can cause him to move elsewhere.

 

[RoyToy]

Tear it down and build an MLB stadium. I'm tired of a joke team like the Mariners having a stranglehold on this market.

This

Just did a 5 hour round trip to Seattle for game 162. Ended up being a meaningless game with the A's winning today so Felix was pulled after like 60 pitches.

I want a baseball team in Portland

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Revive the 'Portland Mavericks' bastards.

 

[jlprk]

Zounds!!! That looks like a toilet!!!!